Mizzou Draws Cincinnati in the NCAA West Regional
by Bill C. on Mar 13, 2011 6:52 PM CDT
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Immediate thoughts:
- MUtigers.com has tickets available for $1000-or-higher donors. If there are leftovers, they become available to everybody else.
- SBN has a printable bracket here.
- Get to know Cincy fans at Down The Drive.
- When you struggle as much as Mizzou did down the stretch, you can't expect a favorable draw. That said ... stylistically, I'll take my chance with Mizzou's draw (Cincinnati-UConn) rather than Kansas State's (Utah State-Wisconsin). Mizzou might not escape the first round, but I think they have a better chance of making the Sweet 16 here than they would have playing back-to-back Nebraska-only-better teams.
- Texas a 4, Texas A&M a 7, Mizzou an 11. According to the RPI and Ken Pomeroy's rankings, the Big 12 was the No. 3 conference in the country. And the committee took a giant dump all over them. Everybody but Kansas State, anyway...
- The conspiracy theorists among us certainly got plenty of ammo when the NCAA committee, led by a Big Ten guy, had Penn State, Illinois, Michigan and Michigan State all ahead of Mizzou and way ahead of Colorado. Not saying I'm crying conspiracy, but if you're the type...
- I know it's more difficult for the committee to draw up the seedings than me -- they have to take into account all the rematch possibilities, plus the whole "BYU in a Thursday/Saturday region" and other random factors -- but ... there simply is no excuse for seedings this bad. And there's no excuse for two potential Round of 32 matchups between Big East teams. Seeding and bracketing are hard ... but not that hard.
- Cincinnati in the first of many nutshells:
-- Average in most regards on offense except offensive rebounding. They're great at that (10th in Off. Reb. %). Consequently they're terrible at shooting FT's (255th at 66.6%), presumably because their bigs get fouled after offensive rebounds.
-- Solid defensively. They force a reasonable amount of turnovers and pretty poor shooting. They're good-not-great on the defensive glass Good Mizzou can score on them. Bad Mizzou cannot.
-- Depth: solid (37th in bench minutes). Experience: decent (115th). Size: good (45th).
-- Caught a reasonable amount of skepticism after a mostly no-name non-conference slate (best wins according to KenPom: Xavier, Dayton, and ... Wright State). But after a slow(ish) start -- 6-6 in their first 12 conference games -- they finished rather strong, winning six of seven.
-- Common opponents: Oklahoma (they beat them by 10 on a semi-neutral court) and Georgetown (swept them).
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Is it the current meme
that this is the worst job the selection committee has done to date?
It sure seems like it. ESPN was like one long frat hazing paddling line. They just clubbed the the selection committee.
They even had three extra slots to play with.
I'm heistant to say it is for sure...
…because I feel I probably say it every year. But this really is just terrible. Not necessarily terrible for Mizzou, but terrible.
Jay Bilas is tweeting up a storm.
kinda circular, but still going nuts
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
So the two pods in DC are
Mizzou/Cincy & UConn/Bucknell
Pitt/Play-in game & Butler/ODU
I would think we would get the later session, but who knows
Well, you figure they'll try to get national interest games on Thursday eve
for prime-time TV purposes. I would assume that the games they see as ratings drivers are:
*Either Kentucky-Princeton or UCLA-Mich St. (they’re both in Tampa in opposite pods, so they’ll have to pick—I would assume that given the West Coast factor, UCLA-Mich St. is an evening game and UK-Princeton gets dumped to the afternoon)
*St. John’s-Gonzaga
*UConn-Bucknell
Obviously no one cares about Bucknell except Kansas fans in therapy, but I could see CBS putting UConn at 6 CT and St. John’s at 8:30 CT and figuring that locks up NYC for the evening, which would put Mizzou in the late slot, which I’m all for. But of course, what do I know?
It’s interesting how disproportionately the “big names” are on Friday (KU, Duke, UNC, Ohio St., ’Cuse, Texas).
by Professor Chaos on Mar 13, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Bill: You will love this from ESPN's chat
Joe Lunardi: No bias, Bernard. Yours truly was early and often on the USC bandwagon (and there were plenty of empty seats!)
Mark_Schlabach: Seeded too low (I think): Kentucky, Richmond, Belmont, Texas, Missouri (maybe
I know we struggled down the stretch, but how do you justify IL, PSU, ODU, MSU, Georgia, Mich ahead of us? I guess there is some advantage of being located east of the mississippi
About what?
Didn’t 11 Beast teams get in? WTF does he want 16?
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
Wow1
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
So who's setting up the bracket challenge for RMN?
by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Mar 13, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
usually rpt or beef does it, i believe.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I did some double checking...
And Mizzou is a true #11 seed. I thought it was possible that we were a 10 and got swapped for some other bracket rule, but I have exhausted through them and there is no other way to say it than apparently the committee doesn’t like teams who have beaten one top 75 team in 2011. Who knew?
Annoying You Since 1986
please. you can't have it both ways.
you can’t say that the committee values playing tough teams in noncon but then say something like:
apparently the committee doesn’t like teams who have beaten one top 75 team in 2011. Who knew?
basically suggesting that the disregarded the noncon schedule. can’t have your cake and eat it too.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
1986, huh?
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
by threadkiller on Mar 13, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
"beaten one Top 75 team in 2011" is both intellectually dishonest and factually dishonest
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 7:38 PM CDT reply actions
Hey guys who are in DC...
anyone found decent tickets yet? Cheapest I’m finding so far are Stubhub for about 240…
No
But it’s still pretty early.
I think I’m going to start a D.C.-centric fanpost to help answer questions about tickets and D.C.
I’m on the D.C. Alumni Assoc. board and my wife is the current president.
Through the university is under $100
I don’t know how many tickets Mizzou gets, but I have a hard time believing that ALL of them will be taken up by TSF people considering the location and the way the season ended.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't think those tickets are ever being released to the public though.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh they changed it from last year
Last year’s email didn’t have any restrictions if tickets lasted through Monday.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sending a message to the MIZ-DC alumni group now
I’ll keep ya posted. But I REALLY want to go. Would you guys be interested in swapping email addresses to try to get something organized?
I posted this
http://www.rockmnation.com/2011/3/13/2048965/washington-d-c-welcomes-mizzou
but you can drop me a line at mac6uffin AT yahoo.com
$84 - autoocharged for the second round if applicable. Plus
$10 service fee per session.
that seems odd to me.
just to have $94 slapped on to your card automatically.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it seems reasonable given how little time there is
between the first and second rounds
by jschooltiger on Mar 13, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Full text
Tigers to face Cincinnati in Washington D.C. on Thursday
The Mizzou Ticket Office was allocated a very limited number of tickets available for the Missouri vs. Cincinnati game on Thursday, March 17 in Washington D.C. at the Verizon Center. The game time has not yet been determined.
Based on such limited availability, only 2010 Tiger Scholarship Fund members at the Champions Club level and higher ($1,000+) qualify to purchase up to 4 tickets each, based on availability. Donors who qualify may purchase tickets from 8am to 5pm on Monday, March 14th by calling the Mizzou Ticket Office at 1-800-CAT-PAWS.
Should any tickets remain after Monday, March 14, all 2010 TSF donors and season ticket holders may order by phone if/while supplies last beginning at 8am on Tuesday, March 15th.
Only Visa, Mastercard, or Discover cards will be accepted for payment for NCAA Tournament tickets. Tickets for each round in Washington D.C. are priced at $84. Should the Tigers advance, those who received tickets for the second round* (round of 64) will automatically be charged for tickets to the third round (round of 32). There will be a $10 order fee charged per round.
All tickets purchased may be picked up with proper ID at the Verizon Center Will Call Ticket Office beginning approximately 2 hrs before tip off.
wow I'm desparate.
just sent an email to my mom, dad, and stepdad asking for tickets as an early xmas/birthday present.
times usually start leaking about now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
freaking agree about early afternoon start.
i work 5:45-11. i’m going to get out of the latter half, but would rather just not worry about the mizzou game.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the committee did a crappy job?
but i hear this all the rest of the year: “the bcs is a joke! we need a playoff tournament! march madness gets it right!”. no matter the format, people will always complain.
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
well in march madness all the top teams get to play for the title.
in a bcs format, it’d be ohio state vs kansas and then everyone else playing in games for fun.
all this bitching and moaning goes away come thursday.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
and it shouldn't.
people want t-ball rules. everyone plays for the championship. you have to draw the line somewhere in real life. to me, the best team is the bcs champion more often than the best team being the ncaa tournament champion. as an entire body of work throughout the entire season. one system isn’t any worse than the other, and i think the bcs is demonized more than it should be. we all saw what happened today. it was absolutely horrendous, and no better than the bcs system. just way too much whining goes on in sports. root for your team until the season is over, and then hope for better next year. whining and complainin won’t change anything.
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
by threadkiller on Mar 13, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The difference is that if you’re one of the top 10 teams in the country in basketball you may or may not get as fair a shot as you’d like, but at least your fate is in your hands and you CAN become champion with strong on-court performances. In the BCS you have to be in the top 5 or 6 teams in the country, and then lucky enough for a committee to select you.
I’m mildly agnostic about which system ends up more consistently naming the best team in the country as actual champions, but the spirit of sports is that you let people settle these disputes on the field/court. Basketball allows this, BCS does not.
colorado may have won the tournament.
it’s within the realm of possibility. but now we’ll never know. i know i’m in the vast minority as far as people who defend the bcs. it’s not perfect, neither is this day. plain fact is, without everyone allowed in, there can be no true champion. in any sport. ever. i’m ok with that. most aren’t. i’m a packers fan, and am thrilled they won the super bowl. they weren’t the season’s best team, though, not by a long shot. i guess i’m just more caught up in the entertainment aspect more than having to have justice. it’s a way to kill 2 hrs, and enjoy myself doing it, win or lose.
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by threadkiller on Mar 13, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m ok with dumping half the teams in the country out of the playoffs. The odds that your national champion would end up in the bottom half of the league are tiny.
single-elimination playoff games do inject an awful lot of luck into the final outcome, I agree. but take it to the logical extreme. If you had a perfect computer, which you could fire up at the start of the season, program all the teams in, their players strengths and weaknesses and tendencies and abilities, and that could analyze how smart each coach is, and what the exact odds are of one coach beating another with the tools that each has available, and you could come up with a perfectly correct answer based on this… then technically there’s no point playing a single game, because all that’s going to happen is you’ll introduce randomness that might throw you off from the real actual answer. But nobody would be happy with this, because we want to see the teams actually PLAY, even if there were a better way to know who the best team really was.
Same thing with playoffs. A computer might pick the patriots (or whoever) as the actual best team in the country, and it may be right… But we value the playing of the actual games as a good in and of itself, in ways that go above just picking the “best” final winner.
I don’t think these tournaments are seeking to identify the “best team” in any given sport. They’re just seeking to have a tournament champion. The Packers may not have been the best team in the NFL, but they did win the Superbowl—the tournament. I agree that these games are for entertainment and that’s why a tournament is better than the BCS system: tournaments are way more entertaining.
by j7 on Mar 13, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
but
people will always complain. right? no matter what system there is. i just think that’s sad.
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by threadkiller on Mar 13, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But you are complaining about people complaining, because it's sad there is so much complaining
Very meta
very kindergarten(ish).
congrats.
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by threadkiller on Mar 14, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
You said:
plain fact is, without everyone allowed in, there can be no true champion.
How is this true? Every single team that belongs to a conference plays in conference tournament. At the end of the regular season literally every single team in college basketball has a shot at winning the national championship. It is a complete system that does NOT rule ANYONE out until they lose in a tournament setting.
NFL is the same way: If you win your division, you get into the playoffs, or you have to meet a predefined set of goals.
Both of these systems are infinitely better than the completely subjective BCS system.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
That's all true
But it’s still a flawed system when a 68 team tournament doesn’t have anything close to the 68 best teams in the country taking part. Which it doesn’t, with all due respect to all those auto-bids from crap conferences.
We’re trying to find the national champion here, the very best of the best. Including crap teams at the expense of good ones doesn’t really further that objective.
But it's not just a 68 team tournament!
Every team ends the regular season with a shot to win the national title. Every. Single. Team.
Every team just has to beat the team in front of them, and if they keep doing that and they do it enough times in a row they will win the National Title. Period.
To change the system in the way you suggest would terribly undermine a system that is the only way to truly determine a champion. We can say that every team had a chance, but 345 teams lost, and only 1 kept on winning.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Well lets go to the logical end point of that
And have a 32 team tournament. The 30 current conference champions, the Ivy League winner and a bid for the Great West.
Then it is indisputably as you say, you just need to keep winning. As it is now, most teams can afford to lose in post season play and still win the whole thing.
I wouldn't object to such a system with only 30 teams, as it still gives every team a fair shot.
Adding more teams (at least up to this point) makes for better theater, which is why I (and I assume you) enjoy the tournament so much. But adding more teams does not cheapen the championship.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Well and there are some conferences where almost every team would have cruised to the championship of some of the weak conferences.
The Final tournament doesn’t have to have every team in the country, it just has to have every team with a realistic shot at winning. You can quibble about who’s included in the 64, and if there are some teams in there that shouldn’t be, but there’s pretty much nobody ever left out who has a legit claim as being potentially one of the best in the country.
Get the contenders all in the same tourny, no harm in having a few pretenders in there too, and then let them settle it all on the court.
The bitching over basketball doesn’t ALWAYS occur like it does for football, because it’s possible to get seedings pretty much right, whereas it is not possible to select only two teams in the whole country to play in one game and pretend that this is fair or reasonable.
Also, the bitching, when it does happen (like now) is less severe. With the BCS most of the really good teams in the country are 100% screwed out of a chance to win. With this they’re all in the tournament, and have their fate in their own hands to win. They could perhaps have been sorted a little more efficiently, but that is a far lesser crime.
Think of it this way: If someone picks your pockets, it’s not as severe as if they stabbed you in the eye, but you still complain about it.
you're relating sports
to crime? if mizzou hadn’t made it, i’d be bummed, no doubt. but i’d be justified in being angry about having my pocket picked. bad analogy, in my opinion.
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by threadkiller on Mar 13, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Nate Silver has odds up on the tournament
http://ncaabracket.nytimes.com/2011/bracket/men/fivethirtyeight-forecast
And the most even game of the first round is…..Mizzou/Cincy, where he favors Cincy 51.0 to 49.0
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 8:26 PM CDT reply actions
That's 51% to 49%, not scores BTW
His line on Mizzou’s chance to win each round
49.0% to win round 1
22.4% to win round 2
7.8% to win sweet 16
2.3% to win elite 8
0.8% to win final 4
0.3% to win it all
I can live with that… about a 1 in 4 chance of a sweet 16, and a non-negligible shot at the elite 8… ok, sure yeah.
Right, sorry for any confusion
And yeah, to have a near 1 in 4 shot at the second weekend and a near 1 in 12 shot at the Elite 8 as an 11 seed is really quite great.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't THAT confusing
as you put “51.0” which would be a very odd score. I was just being anal :)
Also
Mizzou’s inevitable path to glory according to N.Silver (assuming that we win every round but all other matches are won and lost exactly as he predicts):
Cincinnati → Connecticut → San Diego State → Duke → Ohio State → Kansas
so that’s an 8th seed, then a 3rd, then a 2nd, and then three #1 seeds in a row.
Easy, right?
Tigers in the late game Thursday night
Via @timcarycbs:
Last games Thurs nite: UCLA-Mich St TBS, StJohns-Gonzaga CBS, Cincy-Mizzou TNT, Kansas St-Utah St. truTV
UConn is a 720pm tip (eastern0
So the Mizzou game should start around 9 central
You think 6:20 plus 2 hours for the game and half an hour in between
happy bedtime, bill.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
with tim brando
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm liking that a lot
I’ll actually be able to watch the thing. Go Tigers!
by Professor Chaos on Mar 13, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
not
so lucky, City of Austin…
I’ll either get the really cool guy this time or the real a-hole. It’s been back and forth thus far. My electrical inspector on the other hand is awesome.
e. inspector to me “It’s your house, why should I care if you burn it down.” Not that I’ve done things incorrectly he later said, “yeah, my job shouldn’t even be a job”.
Announcers appear to be
Thurs: Eagle/Spanarkel/Aldridge in Tampa, Brando/Gminski/Johnson in DC, Lundquist/Raftery/Visser in Denver, Harlan/Miller/Bonner/Ryan Tuscon
Gus Appears to be in Cleveland for the Fri/Sunday games. So Idk who this is.
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That was @timcarycbs
But @CBSSports says
Thursday on TNT Harlan/Miller/Bonner: 2:10 Temple-PSU, then SDSU-No. Col. 7:20 UConn-Bucknell, then Cincinnati-Missouri
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Kevin Harlan?
I swoon over that guy’s voice.
He is a KC guy (KS I think).
by tigers and chiefs fan on Mar 13, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah that's right
All those games will be on TNT, Harlan/Miller/Bonner will be there for the first set of games in Tempe and Brando will be in DC
Ohh i get it now. Good catch
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How the committee selection went
Dan Beebe: OK guys, I just want to throw this out there and see what you think. How about we give Texas a bye until the Elite Eight?
Eugene Smith: Let me just throw this out Dan. F*@k you?
Dan Beebe: Wait, let me just explain my logic-
Eugene Smith: I don’t give a damn about your logic. We’re the Big Ten. I’m from THE Ohio State University. We already took one of your best schools and we could have taken any of the others if we had wanted them. So all I have to say is, F*@k Texas.
Dan Beebe: Oh my. I don’t think you should say that. Mr. Dodds gets very angry when people say that.
Eugene Smith: Oh really? * pulls out cell phone * Hello, is this Deloss Dodds? Hi, this is Eugene Smith from the selection committee. Congratulations on the great season! You’re a Number 4 seed. F*@k Texas! * hangs up *
Dan Beebe: Eep!
Eugene Smith: And you know what? We’re seeding Penn State above Missouri. You know why? Because F*@k Missouri.
Dan Beebe: Meh. Everyone in the Big XII says that.
Eugene Smith: Oh yeah? Texas A&M, 7 seed!
Dan Beebe: Eek!
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
by Gaknar on Mar 13, 2011 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
probably my favorite reason for anything is
“because F*@K ______”
rec.
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by threadkiller on Mar 13, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don't like the late tip
it’s not because I still have to get up on Friday for work…it’s that I enjoyed going somewhere (McNally’s or Southside Pizza) with my lab cohorts to watch the game.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
I'm good with the late tip
although I would’ve been good but anything but the 11:00 tip since I’ll be off Thursday afternoon and Friday. Wish Gus had a better pod to work with though.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 9:15 PM CDT reply actions
here it is in a better form... (home made google spreadsheet)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 13, 2011 9:17 PM CDT reply actions
even if Mizzou weren't involved
I’d feel like the Thursday late slot has the best set of 4 games—any of those has the potential to be very interesting. Of course, I’ll be locked on one of them, so maybe that’s not a good thing.
by Professor Chaos on Mar 13, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting thing to think about...
If Denmon does not make that steal and bucket to beat Vandy…are we looking hosting an NIT game instead?
Annoying You Since 1986
On the other hand
If BJ Holmes didn’t get that phantom call at the end of OT, or if we get to play OSU without a blizzard(or a near 3/1 FT disparity), do we jump up to the 6/7 line? I think our close calls have largely been more of the bad luck variety than the good fortune variety.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You could throw the 3 pointer in the GT game on there as well.
Largely I agree. But if you told me after that Vandy game that it almost cost us our NCAA bid I would have laughed at you.
Annoying You Since 1986
And for those of you into that kind of thing..
Tigers open as 1.5 point favorites. I’d say anytime you can be an 11 seed and open up as a favorite, you got a nice draw.
Annoying You Since 1986
Utah state got shitted on.
a 12 seed for the 17th ranked team in the nation? rly?
You don't have to come and confess, we lookin' for you, we gon' find you, we gon' find you. So you can run and tell that, Homeboy.
I said it the other day.
The committee does not like teams who do not have top 50 wins. Utah St has zero. Thats what surprised me so much with UAB getting a bid, as they are the first at large to ever get in without one.
Annoying You Since 1986
And really it makes sense.
If you can’t beat a single one of the best 50 teams in the country, can you really make a good argument that you are one of the best 48? (I use 48 because thats usually about the spot the last at large gets)
Annoying You Since 1986
Yeah, I have zero sympathy for Utah State
Well, I mean it sucks that part of this is out of their control(they don’t pick their conference and non-con scheduling can’t be super easy), but you can’t justify giving them what they haven’t earned. They played 2 teams even remotely near the tournament and lost to them both.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 13, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Thinking about taking this as an upset bid
what do I have to lose but my dignity?
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden
by lost..in the woods on Mar 14, 2011 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Nothing.
In no way am I saying Utah State isn’t a good team. Or that they arent capable of going to the sweet 16. And they are probably better than a 12 seed. The problem is, we don’t know that, because the best team they have beaten is a #2 seed in the NIT.
Annoying You Since 1986
Can't wait for "Better know an Opponent."
Also, it should be noted that I have a cousin that goes to Cincinnati, so I really need Mizzou to come through, or the next family reunion is going to be hell for me!
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