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Study Hall: Cincinnati

Your Trifecta: PPressey-Dixon-Denmon.  Your winner: nobody.

Back in the fall, when Mizzou beat Oklahoma in football for the first time since approximately 1644 -- the capstone of one of the most perfect weekends in Mizzou's athletics history -- I tried to stress how important it was to soak in the moment ... that series of moments ... because they are fleeting.  Nothing is always that good, and if it were, you'd get bored with it.  You have to suffer through lesser moments to appreciate greater ones.  The last few weeks?  A series of lesser moments.

Sometimes things just don't come together as you expected.  You miss a player (or two) more than you thought you would.  A player (or two) doesn't quite develop as planned.  Perhaps both.  Sometimes you have a team perfect for your coach's identity, and sometimes you don't quite have what you need.  As Charles Barkley said at halftime last night, "This just isn't Mike Anderson's best team." Pretty much.  What we thought might happen in the preseason doesn't matter much now; this was not a great team, and they did not play well enough to deserve a spot in the Round of 32.

No coach goes without these years, of course.  Roy Williams took North Carolina to the NIT last year; after back-to-back NCAA titles, Billy Donovan went 0-1 in the NCAAs over the next three seasons.  Those may have been rebuilding efforts -- something that does not really apply to this team -- but it still happens to everybody.  That Mike Anderson's disappointing season -- and make no mistake, it was absolutely, positively disappointing -- still gave us 23 wins, another tourney berth, another Braggin' Rights win, some incredible moments, etc., says a lot about how far Mizzou came since Justin Safford set foot on campus.

Ah, Saffy.  His four years in school here coincided with an incredible ride for the Mizzou athletic department.  Two days after Safford made his very first impression on me as a freshman -- throwing down a pretty tremendous alley oop in an exhibition game -- Blaine Gabbert committed to Missouri.  Think about that for a second; it feels like Safford's been here for a decade.  While he was working away inside Mizzou Arena, the Mizzou football program rose to the point where a ten-win season engendered as much dissatisfaction ("Fire Yost!") as excitement.  Saffy has been an integral part of a basketball program that rose from Athenagate to the Elite Eight in just 14 months, then "fell" to the point where 23 wins feels incredibly disappointing, the cause of a long series of "What Went Wrong?" posts.

Justin Safford may not have made much of a statistical impact in his career, but he was a part of so much, stepping up at random times (he played beautifully in the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight in 2009), fighting back from a knee injury, always staying late to sign autographs, and being as good a person as you could ask for in major college athletics.  Whether or not he made a significant impact on the court (and we should certainly remember that he had his moments), he is someone we can be proud to say was a product of the University of Missouri.  He is a great representative of this school, and he should be proud of and commended for that.  He -- and the this entire outgoing four-year class at Mizzou -- saw highs we thought were impossible not too long ago.

But Safford alone could not provide the senior leadership this team needed.  Next year?  No excuses in that regard. A lot can change when a large group of juniors turns into a large group of seniors.  1993 became 1994.  2008 became 2009*.  Juniors become seniors, freshmen (like, say, Phil Pressey) become sophomores, listlessness can become toughness with the right leaders in place, and the same corps of players can produce wildly different results from one season to another.  Who knows, maybe next year will be just as disappointing as this year ... but maybe it won't, and that's really all we have to go by right now.

* And yes, 2003 became 2004.

So now we turn our attention to the post-mortem portion of the season.  Mike Anderson did his best to shoot down any sort of Arkansas rumors last night, and though I realize that Roy Williams famously said "I don't give a shit about North Carolina" about a day before he became the North Carolina coach, I'm going to go about my business assuming the coach Missouri has now is the coach Missouri will have until I hear otherwise.  If you've got any specific post-mortem post ideas (I've got a few already, of course), feel free to pass them along.  We'll do our typical dissection, then we'll flip the switch (seriously, there's almost literally a switch we flip on the blog) to football season.

After the jump: the stats look about as bad as you thought they would.

Star-divide

Cincinnati 78, Mizzou 63


Mizzou
Opp.
Pace (No. of Possessions)
60.8
Points Per Minute
1.58
1.95
Points Per Possession (PPP)
1.04
1.28
Points Per Shot (PPS)
1.00
1.44
2-PT FG% 40.9%
58.1%
3-PT FG% 31.6%
36.4%
FT% 69.2%
72.7%
True Shooting % 45.8%
61.2%




Mizzou Opp.
Assists 15
14
Steals 7
3
Turnovers 8
11
Ball Control Index (BCI)
(Assists + Steals) / TO
2.75
1.55




Mizzou Opp.
Expected Offensive Rebounds 14
10
Offensive Rebounds 15
13
Difference +1
+3

Looks Like a Loss

Let's take a look at some "versus real teams" stats for 2010-11!

  • Off. Points Per Possession - Wins: 1.14, Losses: 1.06, vs Cincy: 1.04
  • Def. Points Per Possession - Wins: 0.96, Losses: 1.21, vs Cincy: 1.28
  • True Shooting % Allowed - Wins: 51.4%, Losses: 61.6%, vs Cincy: 61.2%
  • Opp. BCI - Wins: 0.95, Losses: 1.56, vs Cincy: 1.55
  • Expected Rebounding Margin - Wins: -0.1/game, Losses:-4.5/game, vs Cincy: -2

Sometimes the analysis is pretty easy.  Mizzou played at one level -- particularly on defense -- in wins and at another in losses.  Last night, the stats matched the typical Mizzou loss stats.  And Mizzou lost.  Rocket science!

Mizzou Player Stats

(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)

Player
AdjGS GmSc/Min Line
Phil Pressey
15.0
0.63
24 Min, 7 Pts (3-9 FG, 1-2 3PT, 0-2 FT), 5 Reb (3 Off), 5 Ast, 5 Stl
Mike Dixon
12.0
0.57
21 Min, 11 Pts (3-5 FG, 1-2 3PT, 4-4 FT)
Marcus Denmon
11.8
0.36
33 Min, 10 Pts (3-11 FG, 2-7 3PT, 2-2 FT), 6 Reb (2 Off), 4 Ast
Laurence Bowers
9.8
0.32
31 Min, 10 Pts (4-11 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-2 FT), 6 Reb (4 Off)
Ricardo Ratliffe
9.4
0.39
24 Min, 13 Pts (6-12 FT, 1-1 3PT, 0-0 FT)<, 4 Reb, 2 Ast, 2 TO, 4 PF
Justin Safford
4.9
0.31
16 Min, 6 Pts (3-6 FG), 0 Reb
Ricky Kreklow
2.5
0.21
12 Min, 3 Pts (1-2 3PT)
Steve Moore
-1.7
-0.19
9 Min, 2 Reb, 4 PF
Matt Pressey
-1.9
-0.17
11 Min, 0 Pts (0-2 FG, 0-1 3PT)
Kim English
-2.7
-0.14
19 Min, 3 Pts (1-5 FG, 0-3 3PT, 1-2 FT), 2 Reb, 2 TO
  • As RPT pointed out, this season confirmed just how important bench play is to Mike Anderson and his system.  Or, more important than simply who came off the bench and who didn't, this season proved that Missouri needs positive contributions from a lot of people to succeed.  Since Big 12 play started, Mizzou's bottom five contributors in a given game (whoever they were from game to game) averaged a combined contribution of 13.4 AdjGS points per game in wins.  In losses? Minus-0.2 per game.  In the last five losses of the season?  Minus-9.0.  That's ridiculous.  That puts such incredible pressure on the others to not only play well, but to play perfectly.  As Tim Brando and Mike Gminski said last night, Marcus Denmon was merely mortal against Cincinnati (only 0.36 AdjGS/minute) ... and it left Mizzou with virtually no chance of winning because Safford, Kreklow, Moore, M. Pressey and English combined to contribute 1.1 points to the cause (which was actually a significant improvement over recent efforts).
  • If you're looking for a bright side, how about this: in their most important game of the season, Mizzou's two best players (statistically) were a freshman and a sophomore.
Player Usage% Floor% Touches/
Poss.
%Pass %Shoot %Fouled %T/O
P. Pressey
24%
36%
5.8
71%
22%
5%
2%
Dixon
19%
51%
2.6
36%
30%
28%
6%
Denmon
19%
36%
3.7
64%
30%
6%
0%
Bowers
21%
35%
2.2
29%
54%
17%
0%
Ratliffe
30%
41%
3.6
46%
46%
0%
8%
Safford
20%
48%
2.5
50%
50%
0%
0%
Kreklow
9%
43%
0.6
0%
100%
0%
0%
Moore
6%
0%
0.4
0%
0%
0%
100%
M. Pressey
14%
11%
2.7
66%
23%
0%
11%
English
22%
16%
1.6
0%
54%
25%
21

With Matt Pressey and Kim English playing terribly (again), Mike Dixon assumed third-guard duties and thrived.  It's a shame that Mizzou's best offensive lineup this year in the backcourt -- PPressey, Dixon, Denmon -- is also severely limited defensively (steals aside), isn't it?  Not sure how that gets remedied moving forward.

Actually, I know exactly how that gets remedied: the better defensive players (M. Pressey, English) get their collective heads out of their collective asses on the offensive end of the court.

Three Keys Revisited

From Tuesday's Preview.

Be Yourself

Mike Anderson's history in the tournament is a very, very good one, but he's got his work cut out for him getting this team not only focused, but confident, by Thursday.  And if Mizzou shoots well and wins the BCI battle by a healthy margin, they can very easily win.

BCI: Mizzou 2.75, Cincy 1.55

Win the BCI battle?  Check!

Mizzou Shooting: 40.9% on 2-pointers, 31.6% on 3-pointers

Mizzou shoots well?  Check!  Not even close.

Play Pissed

What I intended with this one was simple. After the Baylor game, Missouri lost their edge and their confidence.  I hoped that the surprisingly low seed they received in the tournament would give them a bit of the jolt they'd been lacking.  And for 10-12 minutes or so, it did just that.  Mizzou jumped out to leads of 9-2 and 14-7 and led 19-18 ten minutes into the game.  But when Cincinnati adjusted and Mizzou hit a rough patch, we were once again exposed to the same issues we had seen for a good portion of the season: Mizzou's rough patches didn't last 2-3 minutes this year, they lasted 15.  Or 14, to be exact.  And more than rebounding, or perimeter defense, or anything else, it was the rough patches that killed this team.

From the time Mike Dixon hit a 3-pointer with 10:49 left in the first half to the time Marcus Denmon hit a 3-pointer with 16:48 left in the second half -- a 14:01 span -- Cincinnati outscored the Tigers by a 29-9 margin.  In a game Mizzou lost by 15, that is, um, rather significant.  That, of course, means that Mizzou won the other 26 minutes of the game by a 49-44 margin, but ... you're not going to last long in the NCAA Tournament when you're capable of a 14-minute dry spell.

For a long time, one of my favorite Pirates blogs -- Where Have You Gone, Andy Van Slyke -- had an Andy Van Slyke quote at the top of the page: "Every season has its peaks and valleys. What you have to try to do is eliminate the Grand Canyon."  That applies to basketball games too.  When Mizzou is at its best, they still hit times of listlessness (an inevitability when working in an intense, demanding system like this one), and they often hit them hard; the great 2008-09 team still lost three times by 16 points or more.  But the long droughts were rare, and they won 31 games because of it.  This team was just not as well-equipped to withstand the droughts.  Here's to hoping having six more seniors and a larger reservoir of experience at the point guard position cures a good portion of those ills.

Cashmere vs Kimmeh

Cashmere Wright: 32 minutes, 11 points (4-11 FG), 7 assists, 1 rebound, 1 steal, 3 turnovers
Kim English: 19 minutes, 3 points (1-5 FG), 0 assists, 2 rebounds, 1 block, 2 turnovers.

Wright was not particularly efficient in shooting the ball, but he protected the ball relatively well, dished seven assists ... and outplayed Kim English in every possible way.  When Mizzou so very clearly fails in two of the three keys to the game, they probably are not going to win.

Summary

Post-mortem series to come.  For now, this post -- and the deluge of live threads to come -- should suffice.

 

 

---

AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds.  It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game.  The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.

Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via).  The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers.  The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome.  As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.

Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?".  The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.

Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor."  Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession.  For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range.  For shooting guards and wings, 2-3.  For Steve Moore, 1.30.  You get the idea.

Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.

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Two dissection topics (potentially)

1. Was this team missing the comeback/offensive run ability of the past few Anderson teams? It seems like whenever an opponent got up on us by seven, it was destined to become 15. Past Anderson teams used to toy with teams in the first half before blitzing and knocking them out late in the half or in the second. Not this year.

2. Give us some hope! How does this team compare to the ’92 team which went on the glory of ’93? Any chance at all we have that to look forward to?

by MU'97 on Mar 18, 2011 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Did this team underperform or did we overestimate them?

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Thats what I have been thinking lately...

I dont ever thing we were ever the 9th best team in the country, but when you are up that high all that you can do is make expectations. I honestly think the only reason we were ranked that high was speculative for when Tony Mitchell was going to show up.

by jack.nowland on Mar 18, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

We were certainly playing like the 9th best team in the country in December

The team was fabulous vs. Georgetown for 30 minutes, showed toughness vs. Vandy, the Illinois game, and ODU, which was our best performance of the year in my mind.

Recalling that month of basketball, I would say they certainly underperformed.

by CBonerfied on Mar 18, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely.

i’m just amazed by how fast people discount the fact that on january 1st we were 14-1 when wins over three tournament teams a near miss against another.

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 18, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably a combination of both.

There is still a ton of potential there for next year if everything clicks. I remain optimistic.

by bleigh82 on Mar 18, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I'm gonna say...

…is that I was at the game, and the energy from our fans, band, cheerleaders and Truman were put to shame by the Cincy crowd, band, cheerleaders and Bearcat (whatever the hell that is). Watching it on TV is one thing, but experiencing it in person, I was embarrassed.

by DC_Tiger on Mar 18, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

that's how I felt at the Big 12 tourney game against A&M

you could hear the M-I-Z chant on tv last night at the start, but after that it fizzled.

by mizzou2396 on Mar 18, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

During half time, the Cincy band was going strong and obviously having fun

that stupid bearcat was jumping around the court and their fans were loving it. Our cheerleaders were somewhere unseen, Truman was gone, and the band was sitting on their asses (along with our fans). I was with a Uconn friend, and to quote him “Um, do you guys even want to be here?”

by DC_Tiger on Mar 18, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

I was on the Mizzou side, but I thought our fans showed up. I saw more Black and Gold dispersed throughout the arena than red. Also, remember…they had a lot more to cheer about for 30 minutes of the game. When the Tigers cut it to six in the second, our contingent got significantly amped.

by CBonerfied on Mar 18, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

…a 14 minute scoring drought has a way of sapping the crowd’s energy. Everyone says “Mizzou feeds off of crowd energy!”, but the team also has to give them a reason to be excited.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not just talking about the crowd.

As I said above, all involved with Cincy were in it for the entire game. It seemed like every chance they got, our cheerleaders would leave the court, and the band would sit down. Cincy just showed up better.

by DC_Tiger on Mar 18, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree with both sides here.

i was there, and i did my best to stay loud and get everyone else to be loud, too (note: i am VERY loud). and for the most part, our fans were not as loud as the cincy fans. but it’s tough when the team is losing in a depressing fashion (not scoring at all).

it also didn’t help that the verizon center staff forced people to sit down. not as easy to be loud from your seat.

by nycbirdo on Mar 18, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

offseason homework assignments for each player?

i.e. Kimmie, avoid basketball for a month or two and clear your head.

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by MizzouCus on Mar 18, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the entire team needs this

But Kimmie more than anyone

Great moments are born from great opportunity.
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by muwxman on Mar 18, 2011 9:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

A position by position analysis compared to the other Big 12 schools

in other words, we seem very proud of Dixon and Flip – but how do they stack up compared to the other point guards in the Big 12, statistically. There is a lot of baggin going on with Kimmeh and M.Pressey, compared to other 3s, how do they stack up.

Also, any anlaysis you could give which would indicate that kU doesn’t waltz into the final four would be nice.

by mizzou2396 on Mar 18, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

the point would be

to see if our eyes are lying to us.

by mizzou2396 on Mar 18, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

It does kind of piss me off that

they won’t have to face a seed lower than 8 until the Elite 8, even if I think Richmond could give them a hell of a game

by CBonerfied on Mar 18, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't be too mad

I mean I hate Kansas and all, but they earned a 1 seed and 1 seeds just get an easier road than other teams. Doesn’t mean you can pencil them in just yet.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Mar 18, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not seeing how Matt Pressey's a great defensive player

Watching the game at Verizon last night, I saw him lose his man more than Dixon, Phil, or Denmon did, resulting in many made Cincy baskets. I just don’t know what to expect from him going forward, and I certainly don’t put him in a “defensive plus” category.

by CBonerfied on Mar 18, 2011 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Fine Bill, you listen to your thrash metal...

But I need a calming influence this morning.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Mar 18, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

you suck

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Mar 18, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Music War !!

Actually crank’in some Lightnin’ Hopkins blues this morning. Trying to exercise the demons.

Yes, exercise. Wanna fight about?

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 18, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are your demons lazy?

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Mar 19, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

or

this

or

this

(trust me… both are worth clicking.)

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 18, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

or

this (only to be listened to somewhere at which high volumes are acceptable)

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 18, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

forgot about the Jesus Tyrannosaurus nickname

think that was my second favorite Mizzou basketball nickname, behind Goose

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by MizzouCus on Mar 18, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

But Kimmie averaging 15 ppg (or, y’know, 12) would be a big help.

by Professor Chaos on Mar 18, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well yeah.

I want all of those things I don’t need :)

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Mar 18, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

For some masochistic reason, I can't read enough about this team

Even though it hurts so good. I look forward to Bill & co. beating this season to death before they eventually hit the reset button. :)

by CBonerfied on Mar 18, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 18, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chin up, boys

Looking forward to next season

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by ratherfantastic on Mar 18, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

So now we have something very important to decide

As a community, what team are we adopting now that our beloved Tigers are no longer in contention?

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Mar 18, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Boston. Then Michigan or Tenn

Then Morehead or Richmond

Then Geogetown, VC, Purdue, St. Peter’s, A&M, Florida St, Notre Dame or Akron

by mizzou2396 on Mar 18, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whomever is playing Kansas

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brevity is the sole of wit

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

soul even. Wow.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Boston obviously

but among teams that legitimately have a shot, it’s always fun to root for the gate-crashers, so San Diego St. is an obvious choice (I can’t support BYU for philosophical/theological reasons). And, I dunno, Pitt kind of reminds me of 80’s/early 90’s Mizzou—always in the mix, never quite breaking through—so I guess I’d be happy for their fans if they went on a run. Plus Pittsburgh is a cool city.

by Professor Chaos on Mar 18, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts from being at the game last night

Bucknell fans were great. UConn not so much. Also hard to tell how many fans UConn even had with all the gray they wear. That is a horrible choice for a team color (hello K-State!). Bucknell fans even stayed to watch most of our game.

Ratliffe had a pretty decent showing for the first time in a month. Foul trouble and the inability to get him the ball when he wanted it were his biggest limitations.

Cincy was not terribly more talented than us, but they had better execution and knew what they wanted to do with the ball on offense. MIzzou seemed very stagnant at times.

Kim English had one of his worst half performances ever in the first half. Didn’t play good D, missed shots, didn’t really score. One time he dribbled the ball right towards a another Mizzou player (why?), out on the perimeter (why?), and basically dribbled it right to a Cincy player (why?) for an easy turnover. To top it off, he got posterized on a fast break dunk.

Not much to cheer for in the second half. Our alumni section sat around looking very glum except for the brief moment where we cut it to 8 points.

Norm Stewart needs to be brought in for practice next year to teach the art of fouling a shooter. If you’re going to foul, make sure he doesn’t make the shot. Or get out of the way.

Anderson got called a T for being out of the coach’s box? Whatever.

When Bowers put up that airball with half a minute left in the game, I said out loud, “will that be the final shot of the season?” And it was.

by Mac6uffin on Mar 18, 2011 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh yeah

I want to salute Justin Safford. Perhaps not many remember, but he was becoming a very good player last year before he blew out his knee. Perhaps not 1st Team All-Conference, but pretty good. He even had a decent stroke from outside.

He, at best, was only 70% of that player when he returned this year. Also seemingly lost his touch on his jumper. He had some good moments this year (like the Braggin’ Rights game), but didn’t seem fully recovered.

I’m sorry that he doesn’t have another year to regain his form. I wish him the best of luck in the future.

He always played hard, and I thank him.

by Mac6uffin on Mar 18, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I thought losing him last year held us back at the end of the season and the tournament. Can’t say the impact would have been the same this year, but he always played hard.

by Rukasu on Mar 18, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I know exactly how that gets remedied: the better defensive players (M. Pressey, English) get their collective heads out of their collective asses on the offensive end of the court.

sometimes the analysis without numbers is your best, bill.

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 18, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I am concerned about next year. Not because I think we will suck but because

I perceive so many teams getting better. ISU and OU are bringing in studs. ku will still be deep even without Tyrady Morningreed.

Going to be tough sledding in the new Big 12/10.

"Anderson won't make substitutions. He'll change lines - Tiller, Taylor and English hit the bench while Denmon, Dixon and Paul hop the boards. Welcome to Hockey Night in Columbia. He won't take time outs. He'll take on fuel and tires. Welcome to the Hardwood 400." - Atch

by nwtiger1 on Mar 18, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Rebounding

If Mizzou gets even slightly below average next season, this team can do things.

It’s telling that lots of people have commented on how Missouri a) have some really really bad runs in games and b) seem to really let that get them down. A HUGE part of that is all the second chances we miss and that we give opponents. It disrupts rhythm, it compromises our fast transition game and of course it puts us on a scoring skid.

Fix that, and there is reason to be hopeful that it will be fixed next year, and it provides the basis for these players and this style to really play ball.

by MizKC on Mar 18, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree that he would help

But sometimes I think a lot of our issues come from technique. Our players are so quick to try to get out in transition that i’ve seen them not box out on numerous occasions. Sometimes the other team will have a thabeet type guy that you’re gonna struggle with, but we struggled against everyone. The team showed it COULD rebound in some games this year, but so often defensive rebounding was just riddled with lapses in judgement. Hopefully that’s fixable. You can’t teach tenacity though.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Mar 18, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

There were at least three occasions of Safford having position on the rebound

and not even leaving his feet to get the board. Literally, like he was glued to the floor.

Other times, Cincy would send three guys to get the offensive rebounds, and three of our guards would dart upcourt. I understand we love transition, but that is a recipe for friggin’ disaster.

by CBonerfied on Mar 18, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am I right when I say

We lost Taylor, Tiller, and Ramsey and there wasn’t one player this year to step in that matched their defense/rebounding, or am I romanticising the past?

It appeared to me at times that some on this team were a little selfish and not willing/able to make the extra pass to the open man, I’m sure assist numbers would support this, no?

Since the elite eight team we’ve gotten less production from the post and settled for outside shooting, I know about Bowers emergence and flashes from Ratliffe, but overall, defensively for sure and offensive consistency in the paint, there was none.

by MUPete on Mar 18, 2011 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Rebounding actually improved slightly this year.

But obviously they left a rather significant defensive void that did not get filled. Got a half-step better on offense in their absence, got a full step worse on defense.

by Bill C. on Mar 18, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I feel like I’ve seen an incredible number of missed open shots this year. Also, we got abused under the basket by opposing bigs and refs all year. Fix those things and we’d probably have a few more assists.

by MizzouPants on Mar 18, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I will say this...

The only thing lacking from Phil’s Globetrotter-esque steal late in the game was a pantsing of the Cincy player. Man, that was beautiful.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Non-Conference Analysis

I’ve read that our non-conference schedule was ranked 260th. In my opinion, teams get better by playing better opponents. I’m curious to know what our non-conference schedule ranked the last couple of years. Anyone know? 8-8 in the Big 12 is pretty frustraiting, but if we can beat everyone except Kansas at home, then to me that seems like there are some team focus/motivation issues at play during away games. Personally, I’d rather we play a tougher non-conference schedule so hitting Big 12 play isn’t like stepping into another world.

by SJDMU on Mar 18, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

The committee clearly prefers stronger non-con schedules

Just ask Colorado. That Georgetown game popping up at the (relatively) last minute turned out to be a godsend.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I would hate to see where our non-conference schedule would have ranked without GT. Kenpom puts our 2010-2011 non-conference schedule at 258 (and we went 8-8 in big 12). In 2009-2010 our non-conference schedule ranked 211 (and we went 10-6 in big 12) . In 2008-2009 our non-conference schedulre ranked 88 (and we went 12-4 in big 12). I’m not sure how strong the correlation is between a tough non-con schedule and good conference play, but I do think that playing fluff teams (after the first few games) is a complete waste of time.

by SJDMU on Mar 18, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i completely agree.

mark me down as someone that hopes that we schedule no less than six power conference/upper level mid major (mountain west/odu-type teams) in noncon for future years.

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 18, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPECIALLY in basketball

Even if you don’t LEARN anything by playing those tougher games, it really doesn’t hurt you that badly to schedule and lose them.

If you play well enough in Conference play, you can still give yourself a chance to make it to post-season games. It’s not like football, where a loss or two will end your hopes for doing anything special. The only major drawback is the risk of a big confidence hit by losing 4 or 5 games before conference season starts.

But, if that happens, you’re probably not going to make noise in the post-season or contend for your conference title anyway.

Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.

by Andy--01 on Mar 18, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a line, however...

…there were years where Norm was absolutely merciless with his non-conference schedule, and a lot of those teams completely ran out of gas come mid-March.

by Bill C. on Mar 18, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely.

there’s absolutely a limit—i don’t want ten, per se—but 6-7 is a good thing.

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 18, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

…Illinois and one or two Georgetown level games a year would be fine.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

fullback

we need a tall fullback to grab some second chance rebounds

by Earl Billings on Mar 18, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

So what's the weakness?

Our guards can’t play defense?
Our bigs aren’t deep and/or talented enough?
Our team is a bunch of streaky shooters?

(All of the above?)

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

by Kpz1234 on Mar 18, 2011 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it's just a lack of depth up front

CMA made a point to address that weakness with this year’s recruiting class, but he had the misfortune to lose two of his main guys who would have helped in that area.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Mar 18, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wrote this in a comment elsewhere

1) Consistent leadership
2) Frontline depth

and…

3) Slashing scorers

The third one is key. We’ve got a bunch of jump shooters (who can occasionally drive and score, but not often), but no one that likes to take the ball and go to the rim. Either in a half court offense, or in transition. CMA’s style really lends itself to this kind of player. Turn the ball over and get it to a guy in space that can dunk or lay it in.

Remember the three straight and-one’s Cincy had last night? That kind of thing.

Plus, athletic scorers often make very good defenders in this system. Long, able to challenge shots, get in passing lanes, pull down rebounds. As long as they put in the effort to play D, of course.

by Mac6uffin on Mar 18, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Team chemistry . . .

. . . and off-the-ball defensive aggressiveness seemed to be our greatest weaknesses this year. That being said, I enjoyed the season and see great possibilities for next year – especially as the team gets more time to meld together throughout the off-season.

The comments on Saffy have been well-deserved; the young man did himself proud as a Tiger. Regardless the school one attends, an 4-3 NCAA Tournament record is an accomplishment for one’s college career. (Especially after such a disappointing freshman year.) The four non-jc juniors have one more chance to add to that. I am ready for next year already – oh, yeah, there is still a great football season coming up!

Go Mizzou.

by countrycal on Mar 18, 2011 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

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