Addressing the "Mike Alden got played... again" narrative
Given the events of the last 12 months, I started to become curious: would some of the "Mike Alden got played!" sentiment be as prevalent if these circumstances were framed in the context of other businesses? While these are perfect metaphors by no means (there's clearly a level of nuance and detail that can't accurately be portrayed), I hope they at least provide a different way of analyzing recent events.
Scenario 1: Your firm has been part of a fairly new holding company for just shy of a few decades. Though the holding company has been largely successful, rumors are rampant that your company could be bought/absorbed by a different holding company. It's no secret your firm would like to be absorbed by the new company, but for obvious reasons, it would not be particularly prudent to say so publicly. However, business analysts incessantly talk about your firm's desire to be with that company. Your firm maintains that it is committed to the success of the current company despite the persistent rumors of your firm's desire to leave. The holding company eventually absorbs a different firm from your holding company. Did your firm get played?
Scenario 2: Your firm is put in a situation where it needs to bid for another company's services. Though that company has been largely successful in providing services for its current client (the service is exclusive), word gets out that the company is somewhat unhappy with its current arrangement, despite the fact that the company and the firm have a relationship that dates back prior to them ever entering into a contract. Though you and the other firm are largely interchangeable to most business minds, you begin putting together a new business proposal attempting to blow away this company in the hopes of pulling it away from the other firm. For whatever reason, this attempt to secure its services plays out in the public eye, though the company is extremely adept at playing things close to the vest. Business analysts finally report that the original firm has been dangerously frugal and that your firm's willingness to spend is a tremendous asset, eventually leading them to hear from those close to the company that it will be moving its services. However, the old firm finally puts together a reasonable offer and emphasizes their old relationship, eventually being able to retain the company's services. Did your firm get played?
Scenario 3: Your firm has had exclusive rights to a service provided by a certain company for the last several years. Despite solid results from the service, your investors are getting somewhat annoyed by the business tactics employed by this company. Each year, demand from other firms eventually results in your firm having to increase its bid to retain this company's services. Despite these annual negotiations and a slight dip in yearly performance this past year, your investors would generally like to keep this company on board. However, as feared by everyone in your business, another firm enters the picture hoping to bid for exclusive rights to the service. Even worse, it's a firm that the company was previously in business with for nearly two decades. Most investors see the bid from the new firm as nothing more than more negotiating leverage, but eventually, that old relationship proves to be enough for the company to elect to take its services to the new firm. Did your firm get played?
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That is way too complicated to read while falling asleep.
I will defer to tomorrow morning.
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more or less agree.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 30, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The answer is always C
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"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
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Direct Message to Mike Alden: Don’t you dare offer Steve Alford. I’m not kidding. Don’t even do it as a joke.
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I see what you're doing here.
And I don’t appreciate your attempt to obscure my blind rage with your logic.
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Don't think Alden or Mizzou got played.
Think this whole “played” issue is just the perfect fit for the self-loathing aspects, the sky is falling mentality we as Mizzou fans have at times. This fits when it seems like we as a fanbase are getting boned left and right as has seemingly been the case since June of last year.
Sorry, a little long. Looking forward to moving forward and beer, lots and lots of beer
by HHKB Chris on Mar 30, 2011 11:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
the truth is that we don't know what happened
and that works both ways. He might have gotten played, he might not. Fortunately it’s not my job to decide whether or not he got played so my opinion doesn’t matter.
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I think that only the Anderson situation could qualify as Mizzou getting played. Anderson rightly leveraged Georgia’s interest two years ago and the Elite Eight appearance into a raise. I think he used Oregon’s flirtations last year to drive up his price this year in anticipation of the Arkansas job opening up, but I also think Alden saw it coming a mile away.
But the Big Ten? No. We have no real evidence to suggest that Mizzou was ever a viable candidate beyond the University of Chicago report that said Mizzou and four other schools would be profitable additions. We have no idea what contact the university did or did not have with the Big Ten. Missouri may have been a legitimate target, but when Texas forced the issue with Nebraska, it changed the equation. The Big Ten took the home run choice and then sat back to see what happened. It was a simple business transaction. If Mizzou was played, then so was Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers.
The Painter situation was, in my eyes, a straight up negotiation just like any of us would do in a similar job situation. I think Painter gave it a fair hearing, did his due diligence, gave Purdue an opportunity to match, and then made the best choice for himself, his staff and his family. Anyone complaining about that who would say that they wouldn’t do the same thing in that situation is a liar. It’s just business. If it wasn’t for the idiot media and Twitter blowing the whole thing out of proportion, and coming so soon off of the Big Ten and Anderson deals, I don’t think the “Mizzou got played” meme gains any traction.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
by Gaknar on Mar 30, 2011 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
glad to see someone saying this
nearly everyone thought Painter was 1) a fantastic coach 2) an upgrade over the former coach and 3) unattainable, and Alden nearly took him away from his alma mater. there was nothing wrong in him pursuing Painter and no indication that the manner of his pursuit was in any way embarrassing to himself or to the school.
journalists are the only people who have been played in this.
by nickpapagiorgio on Mar 31, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Great post
And I really think Matt was leaning to Mizzou until the last second, when he started thinking of the fact he was going to be leaving kids he had brought to Purdue, the fact he was an alumni, and uprooting his family to another state. Matt is definitely not a guy who wants to play games or hurt others, so Tiger fans should take that into consideration as well.
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Thanks, Gaknar . . .
. . . you expressed my sentiments better than I could have and in less space. I’ll give a Rec’d to that and shorten my computer time this morning (since I have spent so much time on the “z” key this week already).
Go Mizzou!
Either way, it was a win/win for Painter to play this game.
He either was going to splash water on his school’s face and wake them up while sleeping at the wheel or he was going to land himself in a pretty strong situation over at Mizzou. If he didn’t go this route, he wouldn’t have gotten either. I think its safe to say that Painter played both Mizzou and Purdue just due to the fact that he played to begin with. If Purdue didn’t come back at him strong and hard, I am convinced he would be a Tiger as of tonight and that was good enough for him.
Purdue was lagging, falling asleep at the wheel and taking him and the basketball program for granted. He did very good to shake them out of that slumber and realize they need to get serious if they cared about the future of Purdue basketball. If he failed, his fallback plan was going to be a damn good situation. The guy did an awesome job with it over the past few days.
Um . . .
. . . those were pretty abstract metaphors. Yeah. So.
Mike Alden is good at his job. CMA wanted to go to Arkansas because it was a pretty logical move for him. Yeah, the breakup part of that was bad, but we are clearly seeing how the media eats up crumbs of information and instantly turns them into stories. New lessons on all sides of the table. Mike Alden seemed to play his cards right. Still curious as to (a) whether the curators actually aproved the Mizzou offer and (b) why Mike Alden supposedly revoked the Missouri offer when CMA requested to interview at Arkansas.
The Matt Painter situation kind of sucked, but Mike Alden only gets some blame if Cuonzo Martin goes to the final four in the next three years and somehow in the musical chairs game of coaches Mizzou gets left without an open chair and ends up with a dud of a coach. As good as our basketball team should be next year, after that, we have to bring in some good recruits or we will be swimming at the bottom of the league. I really think we may regret letting Martin slip past our fingers, but hindsight is 20/20.
by SJDMU on Mar 31, 2011 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
can Alden do anything about the proliferation of
bad information during these stories, that he hasn’t already done?
by nickpapagiorgio on Mar 31, 2011 12:25 AM CDT reply actions
It doesn't look like much (if any) of that bad info came from the A-Dept.
And the only way to counter bad info is by passing out good info – not exactly a good idea in a lot of negotiations, or an impossibility when there are non-disclosure agreements.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Mar 31, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Um...
Bruce Weber to Oklahoma…!?!?!?!?!
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
My thoughts
Look, I became a humanities Professor so that I would never once in my life have to think about “holding companies,” so I didn’t get too far into the post, but I’m pretty sure I know what you’re driving at, and no, I really don’t think Alden got “played.”
In my world, I’m involved in job search committees from time to time, and sure, sometimes you worry that if you go after the “dream hire” that person might use the job offer for leverage at their current university, and if they end up taking a raise to stay where they are, it draws out your search, maybe you miss out on other people who take jobs somewhere else in the interim, and maybe the person you eventually hire worries that their tenure case is going to be a lot tougher down the line because they weren’t “the first choice” so they might be a bit more inclined to look to jump elsewhere. And, on the flip side, it can be tempting to go for the slightly less sexy candidate that you are close to 100 percent certain would take the job (whether because of geography, or because they’re fresh out of grad school, or whatever).
But I dunno—if there’s someone you’re really truly excited about, and if their interest in your position seems genuine, you take your best shot. If it doesn’t work out, you move down the list. Of course, in my world we don’t catch much flack for this approach because there isn’t “English Department Talk Radio” where some Nick Wright-esque mouthbreather has to fill 6 hours trying to figure out who got “played.” And, of course, the dollar figures we’re working with are a bit smaller.
I mean, I’m sorry, but in grown up world—not in message board fantasy world—this is how professional hiring happens. You identify the best candidate who would fit at your institution and who you think might be persuaded, and then you try to persuade them. Sometimes they decide they don’t want to move on, and sometimes they decide that they do. If it doesn’t work out, you revisit the field of candidates.
I actually have more faith in Alden, not less, after the way the Painter situation played out—he clearly identified a very qualified, very interested candidate, and gave that candidate a proposal that merited serious thought, but in the end the things keeping him home were more powerful than the things pushing him away. It happens.
by Professor Chaos on Mar 31, 2011 3:24 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
This, exactly.
Having sat in far too many of these faculty recruitment meetings, this debate is endless. And if you’re around long enough you end up on both sides (sometimes simultaneously).
If there is a ray of sunshine it’s the University of Arizona. ‘Zona went hard after Tim Floyd when he was at SoCal. Arizona’s AD actually got Floyd on a plane to Tucson. The ink was all but drying on that deal, and then all of a sudden it completely fell apart. (Floyd, of course got fired, and ended up at UTEP). Sean Miller was never mentioned in the first phase of the search. It is almost certain that his agents saw how serious Arizona was in getting a top guy and he got curious.
So, people need to keep this in mind. There are times to take your shots. I’m not the least bit regretful that Alden swung for the fences. Sometimes, even a loud out makes the pitcher pitch you differently next AB. I think Mizzou has come out looking good overall to coaches who might be interested in moving. It’s a good gig, and there aren’t lot of major jobs open right now.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
This
pretty much sums it up. Though I’ve never been in a search team yet (still a lowly post-doc), I understand some of the pitfalls involved, and the aftermath.
what we’ve also witnessed in the past 10 days and 12 months is the (to me) shocking amount of toddler like behavior of the local, state, and national news media in regards to the sporting world. Obviously, referring to it as the “fourth estate” still holds. But I wonder how much of this is driven by the journalistic creed of “the public’s right to now” and the new creed of “get me page hits and papers bought.” Granted, we cannot lay blame on every reporter, and must now wade through the now wave of apologies or sudden disappearance of the stories. Twitter has become a drug, and it’s getting to be ugly time.
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by Ausgiano on Mar 31, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Therapy
I was surprised how bad I felt after hearing Painter’s decision. Then hearing the immediate pile-on of Mike Alden made it worse. Thanks for doing some great comparisons here which give us all an opportunity to be analytical without the emotion surrounding our Tigers and their current plight. I see no culpability on Alden’s part here.
Sort of like the old Dewey Defeats Truman photo...

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by thedad on Mar 31, 2011 8:00 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
We tried for the best fit available . . .
. . . and lost to the home team.
Now it’s time to let Mike Alden do what he does best, and get behind his decision 100% so we can see next year’s senior class go out in style . . . as they deserve to do.
In order for Mizzou to have gotten "played"...
wouldn’t mizzou have had to bear some cost or burden in the end? Right now Mizzou is no worse off than before they tried to get Painter.
Purdue, however, has to pony up almost twice as much money for the same coach they had last year. Mizzou used as leverage? Definitely. But the term “played” implies some negative consequence for the playee.
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by BigMOman on Mar 31, 2011 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
What was the cost of going hard after Painter? Not having a shot at Cuonzo Martin? In other words, absolutely nothing.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 31, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
the loss of another week or two
just as the signing period was beginning…in a year when no one has signed and LOI to play basketball at MU
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
A week or two meaning apparently means 4 days in this instance
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"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 31, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
meaning means meanies meaningfullly
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 31, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
we will have a men's basketball coach soon
and if it’s the right coach, before long we’ll win and win and win and beat ku and win the big X conference and make a deep run in the tournament and reach our first final four … and missing another week or two just as the signing period was beginning will mean absolutely diddly poo. the athletic department’s MO appears to be to get a coach that can ‘take us to the next level’ – by which i mean compete consistently with ku and texas at the top of our conference. and our most recent coach was 1 and 9 against our most hated rival, so there’s definitely room for improvement on at least that score. i hope i can follow through on my inkling to relax and let time tell who the real winners and losers are.
Great point.
One could argue that time is money, and Painter took some valuable time from us, but I’m not sure any of us know the athletic department’s agenda anyway.
by CapnCribbs on Mar 31, 2011 8:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course Alden got played
but it was a chance worth taking.
Painter initiated contact, called AAU folks, watched game film and the STL media got info from “sources” (Painter’s agent) that all led Alden to believe Painter was genuinely interested. Had Alden not taken the bait, NC State probably would have. Although he got played, Alden didn’t get played nearly as badly as Burke and the rest of the folks at Purdue. Painter got an extra MILLION in fixed monies for himself, unknown amounts in bonus, plus raises for his staff, & control over his AD & basketball program. That doesn’t happen on its own…people have to get played. They set up his old contract looking for this. Moved Cuonzo quickly to UT for this and manipulated the entire thing. Was there even a real rift ‘tween Burke & Painter to begin with?
Good for them, well played, and there is NOTHING wrong w/ anything Mike Alden did here (can’t believe I’m saying that!) because he didn’t have a choice.
Those w/ power & leverage have the choices, and that’s Matt Painter, but everyone just sit back & say, gosh that Matt Painter is a real good guy, full of integrity, he’d never do something like this just for the money. Ya right.
forgot
Painter timed this w/ the upcoming opening of their new arena & ticket price increases. But anyway, the whole “who got played” question comes down to this. If Purdue had called Painter’s bluff what would he have done? Taken Mizzou job (then Alden didn’t get played). Stayed at Purdue (then Alden got played). Odds are Painter & agent knew exactly what they were doing the entire time (ie Alden got played) but I guess we’ll never know.
Cheers to Alden for having the guts to give it a go…now do the same w/ B Stevens!
And I thought my "Mike Anderson set this up three years ago" theory was convoluted
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Mike Anderson got Nolan Richardson fired at Arky
so he could take over years later as the “savior”.
Sources at RockMNation say.
by Mac6uffin on Mar 31, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Blame UT and Cuonzo Martin
If he doesn’t get hired there, I believe Purdue would not have given Painter the extension they did. He doesn’t feel as bad about leaving “his kids” (take note Mike Anderson), and the Purdue AD could have another Purdue guy for the same money. If Martin can slide in behind Painter, it makes Painter a little more expendable. Enough to where they might not give him such a nice raise. All speculation, but I don’t think it’s completely offbase. I knew when Martin was hired at Tennessee we had no shot to snag Painter. If it’s too good to be true it usually is. Mizzou of all schools, after having just been dumped by Anderson, looking to fill its now vacant HC position, would be able to not have to scour the mid-major level and get a young, experienced, established power conference coach that can recruit? Snowball’s chance my friends. Damn you Cuonzo for being so eager to jump! Two coaches, one who acted quickly and one who was deliberate. Unfortunately for us, it worked out negatively for us. There are only two coaches left I care about and they are Chris Mack and Brad Stevens. If we could pull one of those two, then I will be excited. Short of that, I will feign excitement and muster support for whoever is pegged to be our new coach.
Only thing is that I don't believe it was simply 'Zo being "eager to jump"
I think it has more to do with the agent (shared by Painter & Cuonzo) being good at his job and tying up all loose ends (in this case Cuonzo) to ensure Purdue had no option but to do everything in their power to retain Painter.

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