Rock-M-Tology: March 7

A few thoughts on the developments of this past week.
- As of this exact moment, I believe Joe Lunardi and I have the exact same Field of 68. Different seedings (VERY different in some cases), but same 68. I ... don't know how to feel about that.
- I'm starting to realize that while the bubble is horrifically bad, the 7-10 seeds are excellent. As it stands now, you've got an interesting mix of teams who thought they might be a 4-5 -- or better -- at one point (i.e. Missouri, Tennessee, Illinois, UConn, Villanova ... who I admittedly might have underseeded right now), stellar mid-majors (Temple, Old Dominion, George Mason, Richmond), and majors who have had some really nice moments (Washington, UCLA, Vanderbilt). If things hold -- and if some of the 1's and 2's continue to look quite vulnerable -- we could have some serious, 2000-style bracket carnage before the second weekend.
- Despite all sorts of crazy results this week, I only ended up making one change on the "in or out" list (not including conference tourney results): Alabama's out and Clemson's back in. I still think I might be underestimating how the committee will view Alabama for going 12-4 in the SEC ... but losing at Ole Miss, then losing by 27 at Florida, was not a strong way to finish the regular season. At least they beat Georgia at the end.
- For some reason, I still can't see the committee giving San Diego State a 1-seed. At this point, I'm not totally sure why. And speaking of Mountain West teams ... what the hell do you do with BYU now? They were a 1-seed a week ago, but after Brandon Davies' suspension (and the home loss to New Mexico that followed), I assume the committee will overreact and drop them further than would seem fair. Jerry Palm had them a 4-seed this weekend ... for now, I dropped them to a 3.
- So is there any sort of rule about conference teams playing each other in the First Four? Because I've got three ACC teams in those four right now.
- We've got some bid-stealer games AND some bid-opener games on the horizon.
Out
I'm feeling quite good about vetoing Memphis for Michigan a week ago. I was a week ahead of the curve on that one. Now, Michigan is semi-safe after a weekend win over Michigan State (a game I saw in its entirety despite the fact that KU-MU was still ongoing, ahem), and Memphis is on life support after losing at East Carolina.
Conference 1-Seeds - Vermont gets blown out by 5-seed Stony Brook in the America East semis. Coastal Carolina is upset by UNC-Asheville in the Big South finals. George Mason is whipped by VCU in the Colonial semis, though they should still be safely in the field (now VCU faces Old Dominion in the finals -- they could steal a bubble slot with a win). Fairfield gets drubbed by 4-seed St. Peter's in the MAAC semis. Missouri State dribbles the ball out of bounds and loses to Indiana State in the MVC finals (their chances for an at-large bid are precarious at best). Murray State loses to Tennessee Tech. And in losing to Harvard in the de facto Ivy championship game, Princeton is out too. (UPDATE: I just read that Princeton isn't officially out yet. Apparently if they win at Penn, the two schools will go to a playoff.)
Alabama (20-10) - As mentioned above, the only thing the Tide have going for them is the 12-4 SEC record. Their non-conference schedule and performance were both semi-embarrassing. If they can make the SEC finals -- beating Georgia and Kentucky along the way -- I think they'll be in pretty good shape. But they're precarious enough that they should have to at least beat Georgia to have a chance.
In
Conference Tourney Winners - Belmont murders former Mizzou victim North Florida in the Atlantic Sun. Morehead State beats Tennessee Tech to win the Ohio Valley. Along with UNC-Asheville, Indiana State, and Harvard, that's your field so far.
Clemson (20-10) - In the last few weeks, I've had them way out, then in, then out again ... and now, after their home win over Virginia Tech, they are, for now, in one more time. They'll play Boston College on Friday in what might end up being an elimination game if there are a few more upsets in conference tournaments.
Who's overrated?
Notre Dame (25-5) - Honestly, they might not be overrated at all, but Jerry Palm had them a 1-seed this morning ... and it just surprised me a little. Duke ranks above the Irish in both RPI and KenPom ratings, so I still have the Blue Devils on the top line. But ... winning 11 of 12 in the Big East will get you noticed, that's for sure.
Vanderbilt (21-9) - Palm still has Vandy as a 5-seed this week, which ... I cannot cosign. In the last two weeks, the 'Dores are 1-3 with respectable losses to Tennessee, Kentucky and Florida. They went 9-7 in a decent-not-great SEC. Let's put it this way: if they're still a five, then Mizzou's still a six or seven. And Mizzou's not still a six or seven.
UConn (21-9) - They're 26th in KenPom's rankings, which suggests a 7-seed. They're 23rd in RPI, which suggests a six. They've lost four of five and five of eight. So ... why are they still a five with both Lunardi and Palm?
VCU (23-10) - I can't believe I'm saying this. I will have no problem getting this one wrong if the committee decides to include VCU if they are to lose tonight. I would love for one or two of the extra spots in the field go to promising mid-majors. But they lost to Drexel and James Madison to end the regular season, and they rank just 83rd in KenPom. That doesn't do it for me. Agan, though, I'd be okay with being wrong for selecting somebody like Clemson over VCU.
Who's underrated?
BYU (27-3) - They might be fairly rated too. But the Davies suspension brings up one of the NCAA Tournament's ongoing debates -- how much of a team's selection/seeding should be due to their accomplishment, and how much should be due to their potential. Palm has them on the 4-seed line now, but ... they were a one a week ago and only lost once. It was a bad loss, but obviously Palm is guessing that BYU will be punished for losing Davies. Should they? I go back and forth on this.
Georgia (20-10) - They're just about properly rated, but Lunardi has them a hair closer to the bubble line than I do. They don't have any great wins to speak of, but neither do a majority of the teams on the bubble. But all ten losses were either in overtime or by single digits, and they haven't lost to a team worse than Tennessee. No great stars on the resume, but no red flags either.
Biggest Early-Week Games
Monday, March 7
Old Dominion vs VCU (Colonial Finals, 6:00 PM CT, ESPN) - VCU could get in with a loss, but I doubt it. ODU's in regardless, so all the bubble teams should be rooting for the Monarchs. A VCU would would solve my "three ACC teams in the First Four" problem, I think.
St. Mary's vs Gonzaga (West Coast Finals, 8:00 PM CT, ESPN) - The Gaels lost three in a row late in the regular season, and their loss to San Diego might be the single worst loss of any possible bubble team. I think they'll end up on the outside looking in if they don't beat the Zags. In other words, fans of bubble teams should be rooting for Gonzaga as well. A VCU win might eat up a bubble slot, but a St. Mary's loss might open up another one.
Iona vs St. Peters (MAAC Finals, 6:00 PM CT, ESPN2) - Winner take all.
College of Charleston vs Wofford (Southern Finals, 8:00 PM CT, ESPN2) - Winner take all, though Charleston is possibly one or two wins away from a decent case for an at-large.
Tuesday, March 8
Butler vs UW-Milwaukee (Horizon Finals, 8:00 PM CT, ESPN) - If Butler wins like I assume they will, then they will open up another bubble slot, as there's no way in hell Milwaukee gets an at-large bid. It's funny -- typically at this point in the season, we're watching these games to see if bubble spots disappear. This year, bubble slots might be opening up. There's hope for you yet, Colorado.
Marquette vs Providence (Big East First Round, 8:00 PM CT, ESPNU) - Marquette is probably still in with a loss here, but they'll have "First Four play-in game" written all over them.
Wednesday, March 9
Long Island vs Robert Morris (Northeast Finals, 6:00 PM CT, ESPN2) - Winner take all.
Colorado vs Iowa State (Big 12 First Round, 2:00 PM CT) - Whatever chance Colorado has for an at-large will vanish with a loss.
Nebraska vs Oklahoma State (Big 12 First Round, 11:30 AM CT) - Whatever chance Nebraska has for an at-large will vanish with a loss.
Last 8 In
UAB (22-7) - this is where they would be without the at-large bid.
Gonzaga (22-9)
Butler (21-9)
Michigan (18-12)
Marquette (18-13)
Clemson (20-10)
Boston College (19-11)
Virginia Tech (19-10)
St. Mary's (22-7) - this is where they would be without the at-large bid.
Michigan State (16-13)
First 8 11 Out
As far as I can tell, these are the 11 teams who still have a chance of a bubble bid. After going 0-fer against Penn State and Northwestern this week, Minnesota is officially eliminated from competition.
Colorado State (18-11)
Alabama (20-10)
Colorado (18-12)
New Mexico (19-11)
Missouri State (25-8)
Nebraska (19-11)
VCU (23-10)
Baylor (17-12)
Washington State (19-11)
Memphis (22-9)
Wichita State (23-8)
By Conference
11 - Big East
6 - Big Ten, ACC
5 - Big 12
3 - Atlantic 10, Mountain West, Pac-10
2 - Colonial, Horizon, West Coast
The Bracket
FIRST FOUR (in Dayton)
Boston College (19-11) vs Virginia Tech (19-10)
Clemson (20-10) vs Michigan State (16-13)
McNeese State (15-10) vs Texas Southern (18-11)
Florida Atlantic (19-9) vs Bethune Cookman (16-11)
SOUTHWEST REGIONAL (in San Antonio)
1 Kansas (29-2) vs 16 McNeese State / Texas Southern
8 Old Dominion (26-6) vs 9 Washington (20-10)
in Tulsa
5 UNLV (23-7) vs 12 Boston College / Virginia Tech
4 St. John's (20-10) vs 13 Harvard (21-5)
in Tucson
6 Kansas State (21-9) vs 11 Marquette (18-13)
3 Florida (24-6) vs 14 Morehead State (22-9)
in Tampa
7 Temple (24-6) vs 10 UAB (22-7)
2 Notre Dame (25-5) vs 15 Long Island (25-5)
in Chicago
WEST REGIONAL (in Anaheim)
1 Duke (27-4) vs 16 Northern Colorado (17-10)
8 Utah State (27-3) vs 9 George Mason (26-6)
in Charlotte
5 Xavier (24-6) vs 12 St. Mary's (22-7)
4 Georgetown (21-9) vs 13 Iona (22-10)
in Tampa
6 Cincinnati (24-7) vs 11 Butler (21-9)
3 Purdue (25-6) vs 14 Indiana State (20-13)
in Chicago
7 Villanova (21-10) vs 10 Georgia (20-10)
2 San Diego State (27-2) vs 15 UW-Milwaukee (19-12)
in Tucson
EAST REGIONAL (in Newark)
1 Ohio State (29-2) vs 16 Florida Atlantic / Bethune Cookman
8 Missouri (21-9) vs 9 Florida State (21-9)
in Cleveland
5 West Virginia (20-10) vs 12 Clemson / Michigan State
4 Kentucky vs 13 Oakland (22-9)
in Washington, DC
6 Arizona (25-6) vs 11 Michigan (18-12)
3 Syracuse (25-6) vs 14 Bucknell (23-8)
in Cleveland
7 Connecticut (21-9) vs 10 Richmond (24-7)
2 Texas (25-6) vs 15 Kent State (20-10)
in Denver
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL (in New Orleans)
1 Pittsburgh (27-4) vs 16 UNC-Asheville (16-13)
8 UCLA (22-9) vs 9 Tennessee (18-13)
in Washington, DC
5 Texas A&M (22-7) vs 12 Belmont (30-4)
4 Wisconsin (23-7) vs 13 College of Charleston (23-9)
in Tulsa
6 Louisville (23-8) vs 11 Gonzaga (22-9)
3 BYU (27-3) vs 14 Long Beach (18-10)
in Denver
7 Vanderbilt (21-9) vs 10 Illinois (19-12)
2 North Carolina (24-6) vs 15 Boston U. (20-13)
in Charlotte
My At-First-Glance Final Four
Kansas, Georgetown, Ohio State, North Carolina.
Second glance: Florida, Duke, West Virginia, Pittsburgh.
Missouri's inevitable path to destiny™ (ahem)
Florida State, Ohio State, West Virginia, Texas, North Carolina, Kansas.
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I figure beating Tech and A&M gets us back in line for a 7...
…depending on who else wins and loses, obviously. And who knows…if the committee is indeed still viewing Vandy as a 5, then Mizzou might still have a chance at a six … but they would probably have to beat Texas too for that to happen.
Ah, I get it
A little slow on the uptake today
by CBonerfied on Mar 7, 2011 3:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think that conference tourney champions were eligible for the first four
So if VCU wins tonight, aren’t they excluded from that round? Or are you saying that if they lose tonight that they stand a good shot at one of the last at-larges?
I just meant...
…that a VCU win would quite possibly knock one of those ACC teams out of the field, therefore eliminating my “ACC gets three of the last four spots” problem. (Of course, I have Michigan State first on the chopping block, so maybe not.)
And to Mizzou's path above, I say UGGGGGHHHH
get out of the 8/9 game, please, guys. We don’t want any part of OSU right now, especially.
What...
…you don’t think Mizzou would fare well against a team that shot about 116% from 3-point range yesterday against a really, really, really, really good Wisconsin defense??
a really good 3 pointing shooting team with a force down low
I figure we beat them by 15. Especially in Cleveland, huge Mizzou base in Cleveland, no Ohio St. fans.
On the other hand, maybe Ohio St will keep shooting 116% from 3 until they play us and regress to the mean by not making a basket the entire game. That would be pretty sweet. I think that would make us the first team in the shot clock era (maybe all time) to hold a team without a field goal in the NCAA tourney.
In fact, that’s my predictions. Mizzou 63 Ohio St. 5 (on 5-7 from the line).
pretty much, yes
hopefuly the slump of Saffy, English and M. Pressey will result in a unstoppable barage of offense from those 3, along with Ratliffe getting back to Baylor first half form and Flip hitting his long ball again.
When we are cutting down the nets in April is there any chance we won’t be called the “MO Miracles”?
I love the NCAA tournament
where every team can dream of cutting down the nets!
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
seems the only weakness they might have
is depth. of course, we’ve all seen how much that’s impacted their season thus far. and that wiscy defense is good, but it wasn’t good yesterday. ole!!
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by threadkiller on Mar 7, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
that game might cause some tension around our house
good thing my wife doesn’t give a rip about bball
m-i-z... z-o-u!
Ohio State is such a nightmare matchup
but I almost want that to happen because a) we’d be able to play like we have nothing to lose and b) I could talk so much trash for the rest of my life to all my OSU friends.
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"What's misunderstood about you?"
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 7, 2011 10:01 AM CST reply actions
Haha
SMS isn’t even going to make the tournament. That cracks me up. You have no idea.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Blogging the Bracket has their updated S-Curve
Considering that aTm is #27 on that same S-Curve, I have to think that going 2-1 puts us in possible 6 seed territory.
Also, Florida is #7 overall there, is that a joke?
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"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 7, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions
Didn't realize they put the projected bracket there too
They send us to Chicago to play Utah State with Notre Dame as the 1 seed, which would be a pretty freaking awesome draw if we are an 8.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 7, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
here's a thought...
how about we drop the game on wednesday and get a 10-seed a la last year to get out of the 8-9 game. i would be okay with that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 7, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions
go on...
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 7, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Repeat: I love the NCAA tournament
where every team can dream of cutting down the nets!
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
That's more like it.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 7, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Lunardi lists Missouri in his first four out (I'm not kidding)
It’s a typo and is supposed to be Missouri State. But when I saw that, it was a bit startling at first. He has Mizzou as an 8 seed.
i don't like north carolina as a 2 unless they make noise in the acc tourney.
as of now, i think purdue deserves it more than them.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 7, 2011 1:47 PM CST reply actions
that loss to iowa won't do them any favors.
and unc has won 12 of their last 13.
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
And UNC won the ACC title
That’s impressive in any year
by CBonerfied on Mar 7, 2011 4:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Georgetown's in your Final Four?
Is Chris Wright going to be healed in time?
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Mizzou loses against Tech...your looking at a 11 seed...
Mizzou beats tech but loses to A&M…your looking at a 9. Beat A&M lose to Texas (or baylor) and your looking at a 7/8. Beat Texas but lose in finals…definate 7. Win the whole thing beating A&M, Texas, and Kansas your looking at a possible 5. Similar to what Syracuse did a couple yaars back, went from like a 10 to a 5 in one weekend.
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Mizzou is not an 11 seed if they lose tomorrow
be serious.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 8, 2011 6:40 AM CST up reply actions
Supposedly the committee is being instructed to take "Last 10 Games" momentum less into account.
No telling if they actually will or not.
That does bring up a good point, though…if a loss to Tech were to knock Mizzou down to the 10-11 range (if the committee does indeed factor in momentum), would that be better than beating Tech, losing to ATM, and landing on the 8-9 line? (The answer, of course, is no…simply because of the sudden “We’re still in the tournament, right?” weekend hand-wringing … but still.)

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