Frank Haith: How's It Going? (April 14 Edition)
As we continue to deal with the first major coaching change of the Rock M Nation era, I figure the best plan of action is to periodically revisit last week's "What Happens Now?" post with the updates that have recently come about. And we've had plenty of those in the last two days, eh?
Who Ends Up on Haith's Coaching Staff?
This is still the first order of business. We've heard plenty of rumors about Jeff Capel and random folks from the Missouri area, but nothing is official yet (though it does appear that Capel was nothing but a rumor and almost certainly won't come here). Who does Haith bring along from his Miami staff? How much does he try to cater to locals by either bringing in a local coach or taking a chance on a former Mizzou player like Anthony Peeler? Are the Chris Carrawell rumors legitimate (and if so, as Gabe Dearmond mentioned yesterday, how does Carrawell deal with the "So you were too good to play for Missouri, but you think it's alright for my son?" issue)? Clearly this is the first area in which we should soon have news.
It wasn't the first area in which we had news, but the news did come pretty quickly. We know who will be filling a majority of the roles on Haith's staff, and the names are intriguing. It is probably foolish to jump to conclusions about a staff that has yet to actually completely fill their Columbia offices, but it's easy to like what we see so far. In theory, you want a "chief recruiter" assistant and an "X's and O's" assistant, and it's clear who will be serving those roles.
First, the recruiter: Tim Fuller brings to the table a big-time recruiting reputation. He's connected to Nike, he's connected to Chris Paul ... and more importantly, he's significantly connected to Frank Haith. As we'll see below, he's got some intriguing connections to certain recruits as well.
Now, the X's and O's guy: Ernie Nestor (who, coincidentally, looks exactly like an Ernie Nestor) has coached everywhere from Cal to Wake Forest to Penn State. He was an assistant for Dave Odom at Wake Forest during the Tim Duncan era, he led George Mason to their first ever NCAA Tournament, and he led Elon to their first ever winning season at the D1 level. And he had both Haith and Fuller on his Elon staff.
Oh yeah, and Haith hired a strength and conditioning coach (Todor Pandov) with an awesomely Eastern-European name. No complaints whatsoever about that.
Who Does Haith Sign for the 2011 Recruiting Class?
I'm curious how Haith will choose to use this spring signing period. Clearly Otto Porter is the No. 1 target, but even if he lands Porter, I'm not sure what he does with the other two scholarships. As I've mentioned before, Haith did not target JUCOs much at Miami -- a quick perusal of Miami's offer lists on Rivals suggests that less than five of the 69 players receiving offers in the last three classes were JUCO players. ... Really, though, in terms of opportunities for good will, landing Otto Porter is Major Opportunity No. 1. Haith is fighting a somewhat uphill battle -- Kansas and Georgetown have both been after him for quite a while, and Haith just walked in the door -- but Mizzou still has a pretty good chance to land the alleged homebody. I think Porter will give Haith every chance in the world to impress him because I think Mizzou has always been his No. 1 choice ... but whether we want to admit it or not, playing for Bill Self (or John Thompson III) is still a draw, and Mizzou fans should at least prepare themselves for the thought that Porter could become a Jayhawk or a Hoya.
Correction: by the time I wrote this, it appears that Haith had already been told in no uncertain terms that the Porters were not going to give him a chance. When Mike Anderson (and the relationship he had been building with the Porters) left Columbia, so did Mizzou's chances of signing Otto Porter. Which ... well ... it is what it is. He chose to pursue a relationship that John Thompson III had been building for a very long time, and it's hard to blame him for that. It isn't a good thing for Mizzou, but it's hard to blame Porter for it.
(Meanwhile, another potential target, prep big man Braeden Anderson, signed with Kansas.)
Where do we go from here? Honestly, I'm not sure. We know that Louisville wing Tony Kimbro worked out for Haith last week, but that's really about all we've heard. We have to figure that Haith will approach at least one big man, and there have been rumblings of transfers as well, but ... nothing has advanced beyond "random rumor" status yet. It's almost a bit startling that we don't know much, but Haith clearly fits Alden's line of thinking in one way: he doesn't reveal much until it's time to do so (aside from texting Mike Dearmond about Otto Porter, anyway). He apparently knew he was hiring Fuller and Nestor for quite a while but didn't exactly rush to spread that story, and I'm assuming he probably knows who he's going after whether anybody else does or not. We just get to sit back and wait for news. We're not very good at that as a whole ... but that's on us, not him.
How Many Presseys Are on the Roster Next Year?
Honestly, I know this is the kiss of death, but I'm feeling pretty good about this one. (My opinion is worth less than nothing, of course; I previewed eleventy billion coaches, and Haith wasn't one of them ... I previewed half the country as a potential NCAA Tournament opponent for Mizzou, and Cincinnati wasn't one of the teams I considered.) If Matt can't transfer and maintain eligibility, then obviously he stays ... and if that's the case, then I think Flip stays for next season. If next season goes poorly, maybe he transfers after that ... who knows ... but I feel decent about his chances of being on next year's squad. If he does transfer, then life goes on.
I maintain this view until I hear otherwise. I'll say this much, though: if either or both Presseys are considering transferring, they've got a couple of great poker faces. They're always seen with other teammates, and they interact with Kim English and other teammates on Twitter all the time. Maybe Flip and/or Matt transfer, but they're not showing even the slightest hint about that right now.
Do Those Testing the Waters Return?
The deadline for removing your name from NBA Draft consideration is May 8. Right now, Kim English and Laurence Bowers have thrown their names into the hopper, and the rumor was that Ricardo Ratliffe would do the same. Marcus Denmon might as well. I expect all four to end up in Mizzou uniforms next year until I hear otherwise, but as mentioned before ... there is something of a tradition of Mizzou players making an unexpected leap to the pros following a coaching change -- Albert White in 1999, Thomas Gardner in 2006. Just from a tools/athleticism perspective, I think Bowers is the most likely to stay declared ... but he still isn't very likely.
Again, I maintain this view until I hear otherwise. In both football and basketball, Mizzou has done a solid job of helping their players get the evaluations they need/want to have, and I assume it's no different with English and Bowers. Those evaluations are not going to tell English/Bowers that they are first-round caliber picks, and therefore I assume both players will be back.
How and When Does the 2012 Recruiting Class Begin Taking Shape?
Early signing period begins on November 9, so Haith obviously has a while on this one. I think there are two spans of time that will be very interesting: July and September. AAU kicks up in June, I believe, and with as many scholarships as Haith will have to give, I would be quite surprised if Mizzou starts August with zero commitments. In September, the official visits kick in with full force, and I assume a majority of the fall commits will roll in between mid-September and mid-October.
The timetable hasn't changed, but now that we've got the makings of a staff, we should start seeing a decent Class of 2012 targets list at Rivals in the next month or so. Obviously the name that has Mizzou fans buzzing right now is that of Rodney Purvis, the five-star point guard and Louisville commit for whom Tim Fuller was allegedly the primary recruiter. He told a reporter yesterday that he was still committed to Louisville, and I have to figure the odds of swaying him aren't just amazing, but I also have to figure that Fuller will try. The recruiting ceiling is quite high with a Haith-Fuller duo, and I'm quite interested in who they might be able to land.
The biggest obstacle with the 2012 class is timing. This past season, the state of Missouri produced a rather insane amount of in-state talent in guys like Brad Beal, Ben McLemore and Otto Porter. Mizzou landed none of them. Now, Haith enters a situation in which he will be divvying out up to ten scholarships in the next 12 months ... and there are almost no D1-caliber Missouri athletes who might receive them. Obviously the well is now dry for the class of 2011, but it's already almost dry for the Class of 2012 as well. The one sure-fire prospect in the state -- Cardinal Ritter's Cameron Biedscheid -- is committed to Notre Dame; maybe he gives Haith and company a look, but even then, it's only one player. The only other players in the state to whom Rivals has assigned star ratings so far are Dorial Green-Beckham, the five-star receiver who almost certainly won't be playing basketball, and McCluer North forward Jordan Granger, who had an offer from the last Arkansas staff and has offers from a host of mid-majors (SLU, Missouri State, Tulsa, Detroit, etc.). That's pretty much it.
In a way, this is exactly the opposite problem that Mike Anderson inherited when he came to Mizzou. After addressing some immediate needs with JUCOs, he entered his first full year of recruiting with only one scholarship to give (it went to Justin Safford). With Haith, he has all the schollies in the world ... and really no local kid to whom he can give them. The huge 2012 class will be made up mostly of non-locals, that much we know.
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I'm probably not the only one
Who has been trying to perfect my James Bond generic eurovillian dialect by repeating Todor Pandov over and over. Right?
The addition of Todor Pandov
Just makes me want to get Yvan Ngirabakunzi to come to Mizzou. I love guys like Justin Safford and Marcus Denmon and Michael Dixon, but their names just aren’t up my high standards of “awesome names.”
No
But I’ve also been mixing in a bit of crazed Russian just to keep things fresh. I said yesterday I think Todor Pandov sounds like he should have been Ivan Drago’s trainer. I stand by that assessment.
I hope he’s a good strength and conditioning coach, because he could become a sort of alternate mascot, much like that little oompa loompa guy with dreads for the Denver Nuggets (Steve Hess, I think).
by u2nspenserfan on Apr 14, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been going with another route:
" I wish I could have seen Montana."
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 14, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The good news in regards to recruiting
Is that Haith, Fuller and even Nestor all have significant contacts outside of the state of Missouri. I know Haith has promised to make MO a priority, but at least we have guys with ties throughout the Midwest and even out East.
Plus, even if we don’t get Bishop Daniels or Rodney Purvis (and, honestly, I doubt we get either one of them), the fact that one or both of these guys will re-open their recruitment shows just how good Haith and Fuller are as recruiters and how much they mean to the players they recruit. I look forward to seeing this crew work, and hopefully the results will follow.
So you're saying the hiring of Robin Pingeton wasn't major?
I need a “That’s Sexist!” GIF, but I’m too lazy to find one.
Wow
For some reason reading this has taken away almost all of my hope that we will be good anytime soon. I read “better hope the current players on our roster make it to at least the Elite 8 next year, cause after they leave we’re F’ed.”
Gotta say, I don’t have a lot of Faith in Haith right now. Not that it’s all his fault, it’s mostly xHCMA’s fault, but that doesn’t change the situation.
And now I’m depressed. Is it football season yet?
I don't think you should read that into the situation at all.
Yes, we’re going to be very young next season, but just because there aren’t a huge stock of in-state talent doesn’t mean we won’t be good. It’ll basically be more of the same, with Mizzou having to go get some good out-of-state talent, which has been the norm for a while now. True, I expect us to have a transitional period after this season, but that doesn’t mean we can’t be good, and it doesn’t mean that transitional period will be extended.
i thought bill's column was as upbeat as it could be.
maybe you’re just looking for reasons to be depressed? if such is the case, you’re in luck: life sucks if you choose to focus on that aspect of it. i choose to focus on the positives, such as haith and fuller are great recruiters. we may have a season’s worth of hiccup, but we would have had that anyway, imo, with anderson here.
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by threadkiller on Apr 14, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to pile on or anything,
but I agree with the walrusgod and threadkiller. Even when I try to read it as a doomsday declaration, I just can’t get it. Insofar as getting some of the in-state talent this year would have helped on multiple levels (self-identity as a program, as a fan base, softening the blow of losing this huge senior class, etc.), it is not a death warrant that we didn’t get any of them. CFH has put out there that they’re considering transfers in order to get some players in for next year to acclimate them so they’re ready to go for 2012/13, so I think it’s extremely quick to write either the program or the coach off at this point. I mean, you can generate a lot of excitement by recruiting purely within the current D-I ranks… just look at Fred Hoiberg’s Home For Neglected And Wantaway Prep Stars up north of the state line.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 14, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That last sentence is great... and true.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 14, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I assume you're referring to the end of the post...
…I probably should have put together a summary paragraph, but all my talk of “great recruiting” in the first 3/4’s of the post should have hinted that there is plenty of room for optimism. It’s clear that the 2012-13 team is going to be tremendously inexperienced, but that happens to everybody. It won’t be a sign of a slumping program as long as the incoming guys show enough signs that they’ll be good as upperclassmen…
That many scholarships at a school like Missouri =
(I mean, a school that I thought was somewhat respectable and had a basketball tradition until I read articles from Indiana, Louisville and Arkansas) … well, what I was going to say was that surely we can attract some good players. Right?
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
About the coaching hires
We have more confirmation of how bad things were at Miami. How often does a coach get a new job, especially a step up, and doesn’t even consider taking any of his coaching staff with him? Haith knew he could do better than the staff he had at Miami.
Taking a look at the bios of the Miami assistants, none had experience at a BCS school. And their stops weren’t exactly the cream of the mid-major crop (Texas-San Antonio, Central Florida, James Madison). Instead of being able to hire people he had close ties to like he’s doing now, it appears he had to settle for people who fit under the budget constraints he was facing. Given a decent budget, he was able to lure people he knows from Louisville and Penn State.
This is the first small step in the Haith hire fulfilling what Alden had in mind. Give the man the proper resources and he will achieve more than he did with what he was given to work with at Miami.
by kmp59 on Apr 14, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
In addition
Miami either won’t pony up enough money or isn’t even looking at Frank Martin, who is a much higher profile coach than any of the candidates they’re looking at and is doing everything but come out and say “give me a damn chance!” I’m not saying Martin would end up taking the job, but his public comments are very much in the “if they call with anything even close to maybe resembling a good offer, I’m going to take it” vein.
one thing
“When Mike Anderson (and the relationship he had been building with the Porters) left Columbia, so did Mizzou’s chances of signing Otto Porter.”
We don’t really know this. Maybe a name would have convinced the Porters to stop and listen.
Frank Haith
Within the definition is a name, technically.
Just not the one they liked. I can’t get that worked up about it, a school can not hire a person for a recruit or even for a short term gain.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 14, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
true
we shouldn’t hire a coach just for a shot at Otto Porter.
But this is a symptom of the problem with hiring Frank Haith. Perception is a big chunk of reality in college athletics. Haith has been placed in a situation where he has little to no room to succeed. It would have been a hard job for anyone, let alone for someone who many fans and recruits assume to be a ‘settled for’ hire.
He only has little room to succeed
If we let him have little room to succeed. I think what’s more damaging than the hire itself has been the voracity of the “we hate Haith” movement. I really think that some fans are creating a situation where they will actively be driving people away from Mizzou and then blame any failures solely on Haith. I can’t make any assumptions on how Haith’s tenure at Mizzou will turn out, but I unfortunately can see a situation where Haith fails and the fault is that he was never given a shot. The fact that Porter made his decision so quickly and while visiting G’Town without even giving Haith a courtesy call to gauge our interest/Haith’s demeanor tells me that his mind was made up. True, there’s no proof to this theory, but this wasn’t a failure on Haith’s part. The microscope is turned up so high on Haith that we seem to be dubbing every little thing that goes wrong as a catastrophe, when I don’t think there was anything Haith could do in the situation.
by walrusgod on Apr 14, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and that's fine, but rockmnation
for all its virtues, isn’t the place to convert the masses for their heathen Haithing ways.
People are going to have a short leash with him, that much is given. You can rage against it all you want, you can talk about how uninformed and unhelpful Joe Mizzoufan is all you want, but you’re not going to change it. And because that communal impatience with Frank Haith was bound to happen, the hiring was a mistake. You have to hire for school (and fans) you have, not the school and fans you wish you had.
we hired Pinkel
Joe Mizzoufan screamed for his head for 4-5 years. AD ignored, football program flourished. I think it would be foolish to try and placate the masses. Especially when you take into account that fans, across the board, are never going to be happy. Misery loves company and sports fandom is great place to alleviate lonliness.
No matter who we hired, someone would find fault with it. It’s just hte way it is. I’m glad that Alden doesn’t make personnel decisions based on the same crowd who would have fired Pinkel in 2005, Steckel in 2008, Yost 2009 & 10, bench Gabbert and make about 1,000 other rash decisions based on nothing more than truthiness.
It may not change, but it doens’t mean we have to yield to it.
Contented people . . .
. . . don’t make a lot of noise.
Discontented people roar on incessantly.
That is the unfortunate nature of our entitlement society.
I shall fhaithfully, and contentedly, support CFH to the best of my ability – within my “sounds of silence.”
Go Mizzou!
I can see that. However it's a sympton that must be proactively treated.
The perception of a program based on the “reality” of a 17-18 year old athlete is a perception that most should not subscribe to. Have you heard what kids listen to now? Beiber what? That is a “reality” that should be euthanized.
However, if that perception does grow to encompass people that can actually manipulate the ability of Haith or the Mizzou program than it will become a problem.
Right now I think it’s in check. I could grow, but I’ll do my part to keep it collared.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 14, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
* it could grow
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 14, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
if a recruit listens to Beiber
we shouldn’t recruit them.
“I’m sorry sir, but there has to be some law!”
I think the basketball team kept Melvin Watkins around for the benefit of
one Keon Lawrence. At least that’s what it looked like to me…
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I'm not so sure it was who we hired
But rather when we hired him. In the time it took Mizzou to hire Haith, it seems like Porter decided that he liked G’Town. He didn’t truly make up his mind until after his visit, but the fact that Haith seemed to try and get in contact with Porter but couldn’t shows me that Porter was only going to talk to Mizzou if he didn’t like what happened on his G’Town trip.
that's fine, but it's all speculation
fact is, Haith’s specialty is supposedly (and may turn out to be recruiting). And he’s been put behind the 8 ball there.
He has been, you're right.
Simply by the initial negative attention.
The question I have is: who should we have gotten? We had a bunch of names out there before the hire, and the day after we went down the list and literally all of them except Scott Sutton were unavailable. I, personally, would not have taken Scott Sutton over him.
I think he’s got an uphill battle too… but most of us here have chosen to try and give him a chance to succeed, because continuing to beat the same “but his record…” horse over and over is pointless and really just serves to further the negative attitude initially seen.
by u2nspenserfan on Apr 14, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
I’d love to hear the anti-Haithers say who they would’ve hired, so we all could pick their ideas apart as they are to Alden and Haith.
by CBonerfied on Apr 14, 2011 4:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That is one bona fide . . .
. . . suggestion if I ever heard one.
by countrycal on Apr 15, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You would like to think a Missouri kid growing up in a pro Missouri area
who had Mizzou on his short list would at least meet with a new head coach before committing out of state.
The fact that he did not is not on Haith. That was timing and Haith tried to make contact. The issue was Porter not giving him the courtesy of a meeting.
If he met with him and still decided to go elsewhere fine, but turning down the meeting rubs me the wrong way.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
Come now
from the outside looking in, does Missouri appear to be a stable situation? the kid’s making decisions about his future, and it’s on him to do what’s right for him.
Of course not
we just had a coaching change, and there were reports that as recently as 4-5 days before he left, xCMA was basically promising Otto Porter he would be at Mizzou for life. I personally blame Anderson, and the minute he left, I assumed we had lost Porter too unless he was just extremely loyal to Mizzou – which seemed unlikely since he hadn’t already signed here. I don’t blame a kid for not coming here after being burned by one coach at our school.
As far as an athletic department as a whole, ours is a stable one. The fund-raising, growth, stability, and facilities are all plus points for us.
by u2nspenserfan on Apr 14, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said it did look stable and everything you said is basically true.
Like I said, no problem with him going elsewhere. Not taking the meeting is what bothers me. Porter did not even give Haith the time of day.
If a school is on my final list of three, I am at least going to talk to the new coach even if the school is at a distinct disadvantage based on a coaching change.
Sad.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
Whatever happened to loyalty?
Growing up I liked the black & gold and if I had taken the path and had the skills as an athlete Mizzou would have been my first choice because it’s my home state and I have a passion for all things Mizzou. We haven’t seen much loyalty or passion to Mizzou, at least not on the B-ball team for a long time. Is this due to how the coaches and university are treating the coaches from the high schools? The press? Or what? Any opionions?? I will say we still seem to have some connection to KC but not much to St. Louis which seems a little backward.
From a purely residential standpoint
Leaving the state of missouri doesn’t sound so bad. It’s not as if Missouri can’t still be his home someday, but he was being offered a 4 year vacation of sorts. Why not take it and leave? I loved every minute of my time at Mizzou, but I kind of wish I would have looked at schools that were located in a ‘destination’ spot rather than my landlocked homestate. It wouldn’t have cost me any more money, tuition wise, to go to school at Florida or someone coastal. Not saying Georgetown is a great destination, but why not?
yes, but,
it’s not like life ends after college. you have the rest of your life to live wherever you want. graduate, then travel for a few years until it strikes you to settle down back home or somewhere else. if settling down is even your thing. seems like going to college in florida or california would be really distracting to my studies. not that i ever had any.
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by threadkiller on Apr 14, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
speaking of distractions...
i went to a school in the mountains of colorado that had a graduation rate of those who attended for 4-5 years at the school of 25%.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Apr 15, 2011 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions
We are a much more mobile society these days
That has filtered down to young people being more willing to look elsewhere to go to school where once they would have been more likely to stay closer to home.
It works in Mizzou’s favor, too. We don’t mind that all those football players from Texas weren’t more loyal to Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, etc. (And weren’t talented enough to make it at a powerhouse like A&M).
by kmp59 on Apr 14, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Really like how you snuck the A&M joke in there.
I think we'll reconcile it by winning!
-Kim English
I would say that today's global community
is as responsible as anything. When I was growing up (in Kansas City), there was easily accessible information to 6, maybe 7 athletic programs. You could follow:
1) Kansas City Chiefs
2) Kansas City Royals
3) Kansas City Kings
4) Kansas City Comets
5) Missouri Tigers
6) kU
7) (to a lesser extent) k-State
Those were your local schools and teams, and you chose from within those boundaries. To a lesser extent, I would think that the Universities were sharing a similar worldview… (Statement qualification: I have no factual number basis behind this, but I think that there is a reason that pre-internet Mizzou sports legends hailed from places like Malta Bend, Shelbyville, Sedalia, Dixon, etc.) With the proliferation of the internet, all of a sudden Georgetown (or Florida or Syracuse or, or, or…) is not nearly as far away. In terms of more effective travel and other developments, this difference is almost as literal as it is figurative. I think
I grew up on the Missouri side of Kansas City, and it never made much sense to me for someone to cheer for a University that wasn’t in their own state. I was quite young when I made this decision, so I have no idea what this idea was based on, but it was for life. (Perhaps, to paraphrase Nick Hornby from Fever Pitch, we don’t select our teams as much as our teams select us… in which case I still don’t know how it happened. I do know I was selected by the Chiefs, for NO ONE was actively seeking the Chiefs out in 1982.) Clearly, these choices are not happening in the same way these days… for example, I loved soccer as a child, but I would never have listed Newcastle United as my favorite European soccer team because, well… I’d never heard of them.
The question for me becomes “Was Mizzou slow to react to this change?” or “Is there a way to counteract this societal development?”
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 14, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
twitter bombs
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 14, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry.
When the gas really runs out (this is a very, very tongue in cheek statement, btw), and we go back to horses and steam trains, those guys will go to Mizzou again.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
The new buzzword in recruiting: transfers
Looks like Haith is determined to use one or more of the available scholarships on a transfer. With that in mind, I found a page that has a ton of info on transfers:
http://collegehoopsupdate.com/html/transfer_search_result.php?Type=2&year=2010-11&submit=Find
The talent pool must be getting shallow if John Underwood is the No. 14 rated transfer still available.
Not a lot of big name people that have decided to transfer as of right now
But these things can always change. Plus, I wonder if we’d have an “in” to getting Ari Stewart considering the Wake Forest ties with Haith/Fuller/Nestor? Not saying Stewart cares about a bunch of guys who have been at Wake Forest before, but I can’t see it really hurting.
Plus, you can always sometimes find a diamond in the rough when you get a guy changing scenery. Personally, I like the fact that Haith is looking ahead and thinking about how to get a little more balance in his classes.
Is it Carrawell or Thomas?
Who would be the better pick for St.Louis recruiting?
Carrawell has a big time rep as ACC POY, Cardinal Ritter star, Duke staffer(video and strength coach) but little recruiting or coaching experience.
Thomas played at UMSL, has head coaching experience at CBC St Louis high school, was an assistant at SLU for Spoon and was ranked by Hoop Scoop as one of the top 30 up-and-coming coaches in America in 2005 AND the top men’s basketball assistant coach at a Division I mid-major school in April of 2010. He also was a head coach for Western Illinois.
Any thoughts or insights?
sounds to me like thomas would be a great hire.
might get hired away to be a head coach pretty soon, but i don’t know that’s such a bad thing with an assistant coach.
capital letters suck.
Screw Carrawell! He didn't give mizzou the time back in the day so why in the hell should we hire him now
and…. I sure would like to start reading about landing some recruits
DGB
Is he going to be the next Justin Gage?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Given what we've heard of DGB...
I’d be happy with him just being DGB.
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