LOL at NU and B1G er... B10 er... whatever. AAU says Get Lost.
by Andy--01 on Apr 29, 2011 4:02 PM CDT
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PrintSo... if you think hard, you might be able to remember some news last summer about an expansion that the Big 10 undertook. Long story short, they added an additional team, the University of Nebraska - Lincoln. Part of the reasoning behind their move (and one of the only strict REQUIREMENTS of the Big 10) was Nebraska's membership in the AAU.
The AAU - American Association of Universities is a consortium of 63 schools known as high level research institutions. Among its members are all of the Big 10, Missouri and the University of Nebraska.
That is, until today. University of Nebraska fails to meet AAU standards, has membership removed. This measure was passed by 2/3 of the AAU's other 62 members. Perlman noted that "most" of the rest of the Big 10 and all of the Big 12 AAU institutions voted against removing the Nebraska from the AAU. So, since KSU, OU, OSU, Baylor and Tx Tech are not AAU Members, that makes 17 current or future conference mates out of the 21 votes needed to keep Nebraska in the AAU, and they STILL didn't get the support needed.
Again, a reminder: Nebraska's Membership in the AAU was seen as one of the more important qualifications to their being invited to join the Big 10.
In what is probably my favorite quote by Harvey Perlman about this issue, he bemoans Nebraska's position as a Land Grant institution as one of the causes of their loss of AAU Status:
"Because of our strong commitment as a land-grant institution to serving the State of Nebraska, we are seriously disadvantaged within the AAU ranking system," he said.
It should be noted that the University of Missouri is a Land Grant institution, and is NOT in danger of losing their status as an AAU Member.
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In my perfect world it would go like this....
Since the big10 membership is not offcial yet, they revoke the NE move as one the strict requirements for the move is no longer meet. This requires to skers to scramble and they on knees beg to come back to the big12 because they have no home. It is then when Mike Aldon and Delous Dodds stand together at a press conference and throw NE under the bus and let everyone know “that due to their actions, they have left us no choice but to deny re-entry to the big12”
by Frodaddy on Apr 29, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
poor NU, the AAU is conspiring against those classy folks, too
What’s even more priceless is that Harvey ’it’s really all Missouri and Colorado’s fault’ Perlman takes the usual ‘well, they obviously cheated us out of it, we didn’t actually lose or fail!!!’ NU approach to all things:
" “I had hoped our extraordinary accomplishments and steep trajectory would have made us less vulnerable, but the AAU’s approach to the review made this result inevitable.”
“He said those four criteria unfairly disadvantaged UNL because the University of Nebraska system is organized with separate flagship (UNL) and medical campuses (the University of Nebraska Medical Center).”
“the AAU devalues agricultural research and doesn’t allow member universities to include research funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, a major source of funding for UNL. However, the association does count agricultural faculty when weighting rankings, Perlman said.”
I would guess between BoBo making an ass of himself on B10 sidelines this Fall, Nub BBall being it’s usual deathly boring (even by B10 standards) RPI killing abomination, the realization that Nebraska is basically a more boring version of Iowa without the brains and politeness, plus this, there may be some serious buyer’s remorse among many B10 schools.
Well, Jimmy D., you did get a ‘big splash’ ‘name’ school though, right? There’s that, which is…. something?
Interesting that fellow B10 members evidently aren’t thrilled already, if they won’t even back them on this.
So, soooo funny. Thanks Andy-01!!!!!
Sweet sweet schadenfreude
Though I’m amazed the AAU didn’t score them highly for classiness, football knowledge, and polite applause. That’s got to be worth at LEAST a bajillion dollars in grant funding doesn’t it?
Comment from the CornNation thread
The Membership Committee uses National Science Foundation (NSF) research expenditure data, excluding USDA expenditures. Most USDA funding is not allocated competitively, and USDA support accordingly is included as a Phase II indicator.
The other major argument they’re making is that the Med School hurts them because it’s part of UNO, but it should be considered part of UNL. That’s just crap. Give me a break, your state decided NOT to put a med school/teaching hospital in Lincoln. Whatever their reason, whether it’s financial (I would imagine it’s cheaper to have it in a larger city) it’s not associated with UNL. Hell, should Mizzou get credit for the research money spent at UMKC Dental school? No. If Missouri wants credit for having a dental school at Mizzou, it should fund one.
I take the “seriously disadvantaged [because we’re land-grant]” to mean that they’re obligated to focus their research on things their constituents would want them to research – meaning USDA grants. But, as said above, those aren’t competitively handed out, so it really says nothing towards their value as a research institution.
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by Andy--01 on Apr 29, 2011 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Point of Information
The Med School is not part of UNO. It is its own institution.
The point about being land-grant universities being at some disadvantage is a valid one as the weighting system doesn’t count USDA money but does count faculty getting USDA money, but there are still a number of land-grant institutions in the AAU who are not at risk of losing their AAU status.
Medical School problem?
JournalStar.com:
He said the AAU’s four criteria were unfair disadvantages for UNL because the NU system is organized with separate flagship (UNL) and medical campuses (the University of Nebraska Medical Center). Most AAU institutions have medical schools, which tend to get large amounts of research dollars, Perlman said.
FYI, AAU institutions that do NOT have an on-campus medical school (some of these institutions may have an MD program, but is either on another campus or is a cooperative program with another institution):
University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Santa Barbara
University of Colorado at Boulder
Georgia Institute of Technology
Indiana University Bloomington
Iowa State University
University of Kansas
University of Maryland, College Park
Rutgers University
University of Oregon
Pennsylvania State University
University of Texas at Austin
Texas A&M University
Brandeis University
California Institute of Technology
Carnegie Mellon University
Columbia University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rice University
Syracuse University
So…. Can Perlman come up with a better excuse?
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by GimmeSomeMO on Apr 30, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Thank you, I love those facts.
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by Spider_Monkey on Apr 30, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I hesitate to venture onto this thread
(And for the record, I’ll readily acknowledge that this is a much bigger embarrassment than most Nebraska fans are willing to admit.)
But to clarify, many of those colleges’ med schools still count toward their research output for AAU membership, even though they’re not on the same campus. From today’s Chronicle of Higher Education:
While other AAU members, such as Cornell and Pennsylvania State Universities, for instance, lack medical schools on their main campuses, Nebraska’s medical school is also under a totally separate administrative structure from the Lincoln campus, an arrangement that is unlike the ones at those other institutions.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 2, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats the point
They may be not on campus, but administratively they are under the chancellor. So that pretty much refutes you argument.
Engineering wouldn't be so bad if occam's razor worked.
Perlman is in a tough situation
The CORRECT answer is:
“If we got more funding from the state or our alumni base for something other than football, we wouldn’t be in this situation, but for decades, the only academic part of this university that ANYONE in this state cares about is how many Football Academic All-Americans we produce.”
But, he can’t say that and keep his job.
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by Andy--01 on Apr 30, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
You're totally on a roll.
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by Spider_Monkey on Apr 30, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
tehehehe
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 2, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
heh
STLSlowMo Steven C. D.
#nebraska wasn’t looking to get voted out of the AAU, but they heard Missouri was thinking about doing it, so they jumped at the chance.
by Gaknar on Apr 30, 2011 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
im glad most of them are ashamed, and not idiot reactionaries
except for the one guy who said science contributes nothing to society (he was quickly called out though)
the wiscy guy is hilarious too (hilariously trolly)
While all of the conference stuff is (for now) settled
the one big positive about this from my perspective is that it completely eradicates all of the posturing from the Big Ten that this decision wasn’t solely about football and making money. If anyone from either the Big Ten conference office or Nebraska had just been up-front about what was really going on during the process, I would have been more satisfied. Almost every other school that was discussed during the expansion process would have been a better academic candidate for the Big Ten, but no one officially involved in the process could admit as much even in a roundabout way. The “academics” posturing was adamantly maintained.
Now the Big Ten ends up looking pretty stupid, which I am going to enjoy as long as our Big 12 Money Marriage holds up.
and football-wise, as of today-
MU and NU are basically the same- we were neck and neck in our former division, with the team taking the head-to-head winning it, more or less.
I think the decision was basically about ‘what can we sell as a big deal when we didn’t get Notre Dame?’, which did make NU attractive.
Not sure how much that actually gets you long term, especially if the school in question is dragging you down academically, too. I don’t think NU will ever be what they were, too many factors working against them. Middling/solid, probably, but so will MU.
It’s very interesting that the folks NU trashed on the way out actually supported them on this, while some of their new ‘buddies’ wanted them kicked to the curb.
Whole thing could turn into a bad marriage very quickly, between the inevitable Nub fan whining (and with the sched the B10 gave them, it’s somewhat justified), the dissimilarities (rural vs. rust belt, mostly), plus the ‘look, it’s those new idiots in overalls’ insults from some of the very full of themselves B10 fanbases. I anticipate much nastiness when the NU folks start bleating about their superiority to folks who think they are the end all be all of college FB tradition.
the big 12 was pretty much required to support NU
or else there would be a-whole-nother story about how spiteful and petty we all are.
FB will get REALLY heated in the big 10 for sure, but thats definitely a good thing. bad blood makes good games.
Perlman mentioned that other institutions may be at risk of losing AAU membership
And it appears that Syracuse University may be the next to go
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I would think that Mizzou's membership would be safe.
With the research dollars flowing into comparative medicine, we should have a competitive advantage against most schools on the AAU list. Thankfully, Mizzou is one of the few campuses (6?) with veterinary medicine and a traditional med school on the same campus. The crossover is not really driven by USDA dollars so we have a nice leg up on most schools.
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I agree
Although I don’t know all of the logistics of how the AAU works, we already do a ton a big time research in the Med school and Vet school. And with the hospital expanding with construction on the new patient towers, the new Missouri Orthopedic Institute, the new Missouri Psychiatric Center, and the new Women’s and Children’s Hospital, and if we build a new cancer center facility on campus to replace Ellis Fischel, I would imagine even more funding is coming in.
Although I also think we’re safe, it’d be nice if Chancellor Deaton or some high ranking official would release a statement reassuring us that we are in good standards and will continue to prosper.
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Actually, the AAU should release their rankings. That would answer the question.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
I would like to see that
I know that Mizzou is one of the 19 schools quoted as being outranked by non-AAU schools.
I don't understand why some schools shown like KU , NU are "all campuses" and others like MU are not. Ideas?
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by Spider_Monkey on May 4, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the chart specifically says "U. of Missouri at Columbia," thus it's only counting the dollars brought in by the Columbia branch of the MU system.
I guess the larger question is about how the AAU operates as a whole and whether or not the other branches of the MU System count towards our total numbers/standing for the AAU. As has been stated somewhere else on the thread, it’s not necessarily having off-campus branches, but whether those branches fall under the same administrative system (I know this was pointed out, I believe, by a Nebraska fan, but I believe that I have seen it stated elsewhere as well).
I, for one, don’t know exactly how the AAU works, and I’m sure like a lot of organizations of its ilk, there are a bunch of strange rules/bureaucratic nonsense that makes some things eligible while others are not. Seems to me that the focus of the university will have a huge impact. Nebraska being heavily in agriculture research (which doesn’t count now) got them kicked out. Missouri might or might not be in the “bottom tier” of membership, but I would see that as being understandable, especially if a school like Syracuse (which has a lot of money in its journalism/communications school) is also near the chopping block.
AAU
How does that work? :)
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 5, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
huskerextra.com
Delany offered that even if the University of Nebraska-Lincoln hadn’t been an AAU member — like every other Big Ten school is — the Big Ten still would have found the school just as attractive. So take that Larry R. Faulkner, president emeritus of the University of Texas and head of a special committee who recommended AAU members vote to drop UNL.
Delany really wants us to believe that NU would be just as attractive to the B1G WITHOUT AAU membership?
LOL… Bull****
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You know you're all-powerful when you start getting blamed by entities, even when it appears you supported them.
It reminds me of those bumper stickers that say “Don’t blame me, I voted for Politician X.” Only in this case, Politician X would still think it was your fault that they lost.
texas can do what they want. just like winners.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
Amazing how it's always Texas's fault
Also amazing that a professional journalist (one would assume…) goes out of his way to stir the conspiracy pot in a non-opinion piece.
Lincoln Journal Star has to be the most homerific, clear reflection of their fanbase paper ever. I always enjoy looking at their blog- if MU comes up in anything, the writers always find a way to insert little digs and petty insults.
I literally think those guys are sitting around their newsroom wearing NU gear head to toe… they actually sound like grumpy fans in half ot fheir posts.
I think it was Dave Matter who said
“There’s no cheering in the pressbox… unless you’re in Memorial Stadium and you’re a Husker fan.”
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by Andy--01 on May 5, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think everyone knows that it doesn't take much for me to throw rocks at Texas
But listening to Nubs fans is like watching an episode of the X-Files. I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT TEXAS SUCKS!
We don't. Go Pack, Go Badgers. Go AWAY Nubbs.
Transplanted Cheesehead.
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by Spider_Monkey on May 5, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Personal opinion...
but NU fans are the Dallas Cowboy fans of the Big 10 now…
They say they are gonna win it all this year but when they flop they’ll cry about the “injustices” that go against them…
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