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Frank Haith: What To Expect (Part One)

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The announcement has been made, the objections have been put on record, and it's official: Frank Haith is Missouri's new basketball coach.  We can praise or pan this pick all we want, but it's done.  And at this point, after 24 hours of reading and researching, it's really not hard to see Mike Alden's thought process on this one; one can disagree with the thought process, but it's all out there in the open.  And really, it all ties back to what Alden said he was looking for all along:

  • A Focus on Academic SuccessAs mentioned yesterday, in Haith's tenure, all but one Miami player who was around long enough to graduate, did just that.  He had players on the ACC's all-academic team (last I checked, there are some very good schools in the ACC), and he seems to pass all of the relevant tests here.
  • Ability to recruit on a national level.  Haith is basically Cuonzo Martin plus time.  It's hard for me to grasp how someone who wanted Martin would object to Haith, honestly.  Haith had more experience as an assistant and more of a record of recruiting success.  Martin helped ink Purdue's successful 2007 recruiting class; Haith helped Wake Forest land Rodney Rodgers in the 1990s, helped Texas A&M land a rare McDonald's All-American a few years later, and kept landing big recruits all the way to Texas' LaMarcus Aldridge and Daniel Gibson.  His recruiting at Miami was at least solid (I go back and forth on just how solid, but again, Martin landed nobody spectacular in Springfield either).  His resume has everything Martin's has, only he took a really tough major-conference job as his first head coaching gig instead of Missouri State.  But we'll come back to that.
  • A mentor of good behavior on and off the court.  As far as I can tell (and if somebody has links saying otherwise, pass them along), Haith has done everything above-board in his career, and his kids had minimal legal issues in Miami (again, pass along any evidence to the contrary).  In every testimonial I've read, people talk about the class with which Haith has carried himself in his career.  He should be a wonderful representative of this university.
  • A dedicated work ethic.  It should be pretty obvious that if Haith has proved nothing else in his long and diverse career, it is dedication to his craft.  He's coached at Elon and UNC-Wilmington, Texas and Texas A&M, Wake Forest and Miami.  He has worked his way up the ladder, and he has won a lot of advocates along the way.

From the qualifications laid out at the beginning of the search, Haith has met most of them.  It was all there in yesterday's official MUtigers.com release:

"We're very pleased to have such a well-rounded and respected man lead our basketball program into the future," said MU Director of Athletics Mike Alden. "Frank has demonstrated throughout his career that he fits the criteria we were looking for. He's graduated 21-of-22 of his players while at Miami. He is recognized as one of the top recruiters in the nation and his Midwest ties fit very well with what we're needing right now. His entire reputation is based on building young men of character, and his work ethic is above reproach. Frank has the character and integrity we are looking for, and he's someone who is very excited to be a Missouri Tiger. And of course, we feel that all of these qualities combined, when given the opportunity at a program with a proud tradition and resources such as ours at Mizzou, that he's going to win at a very high level," he said.

The only possible objection to Haith's hiring is simple: he hasn't won enough.  Which, last I checked, was somewhat relevant to the job of coaching.

Star-divide

If Missouri were making this hire in 2004, when Haith was only a super-successful assistant, it's doubtful that any of us would be complaining too much.  And in terms of Haith's Miami experience, it's clear from even the initial official quotes that Mike Alden is hitching his wagon to the simple fact that nobody can win big at Miami.

"Certainly, he has had some success at Miami and he's going to have a lot more success at Missouri," Alden said. "When you identify people, you have to provide them with tools. That is one thing we have at Mizzou is we have outstanding tools. That isn't always the case and I don't think that necessarily was the case for Frank (at Miami). When he comes here to have access to that with his skill set, we believe that he's gonna win at a very high level."

Ken Pomeroy agreed back in 2004 when Haith took the Miami job in the first place.

Frank Haith recently made the jump from associate head coach at Texas to head coach at Miami Florida. However, his chances for success in his first head coaching job are slim. I think it's safe to say that Miami comes into the ACC at the bottom, having won a combined 25 games over the last 2 years. The problem Haith faces is that the ACC is a conference with a glass ceiling. If you're at the bottom, you're not going up.

Looking at Haith's experience at Miami, one can perhaps see more clearly why Shaka Smart would turn down N.C. State to stay at VCU and why Brad Stevens would turn down just about every job in the country to stay at Butler.  Major conference jobs can offer more money, but they can also completely decimate your resume if the situation is not right.  If you're in a situation that feels right, you should think long and hard before leaving it.

Some jobs are not built for success, and even if you succeed at a higher level than most at one of those jobs, like Haith did at Miami, the simple act of not winning big (whether it's possible to or not) ruins you as a candidate in people's (especially fans') eyes.

Miami's program is one with minimal fan support and an iffy overall athletic department, sharing a conference with basketball heavyweights like Duke and North Carolina and a large cast of more well-supported, historically successful programs like Maryland, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, etc.  But fans don't want to know about gray area and context -- they just want to know that their incoming coach is a winner.  And that's the one thing Haith hasn't proven.  Can anybody win big at Miami?  Who knows?  But Haith didn't, therefore he's not "a winner."  Cuonzo Martin?  He won a conference title at Missouri State.  And even if that is easier than winning big in the ACC, he still won something.  Haith?  Doesn't qualify yet.  And whether it's fair or not, that's not going to change until Haith wins.

All this said, I'm really glad the curators approved Alden's contract proposal with minimal drama last night.  The simple fact is, it's Mike Alden's job to choose coaches, and he has done it very well through the years.  You have to go back to the 1990s to find when he didn't do it as well.  This hire feels like much more of a risk than, say, Gary Pinkel or the Kreklows, but if Alden followed the same list of qualifications in this case as he did then, then Frank Haith earns the benefit of the doubt from me. 

Alden knows Missouri fans by now; the outrage might have been a little more shrill than he expected, but he had to know what he was getting himself into making this choice ... and he thought the choice was good enough to make it anyway.  And if he's wrong, he's the one who will catch hell for it.  For that reason, if this makes sense, I admire this pick more than I like it.  We'll find out if it was a good choice soon enough, but it sure was a brave one.  It shows extreme confidence in the potential of both Frank Haith and the Missouri athletic department as a whole.

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Okay ... all that said, it's time to look at what we can expect from a Frank Haith team starting next fall.  We might not know who is going to be on the team next fall yet, but there will be a team, and Haith will be the leader of it.  Below are Miami's offensive and stats, broken into four categories: 2003-04 (the season before Haith took over), 2005-11 (all seven years of his tenure), the first three years, and the last four years.  We'll look at offense today, and we'll look at defense and some other tidbits tomorrow.

Miami Offensive Stats


2003-04
(Pre-Haith)
2005-11 First Three Years
Last Four Years
Pace (No. of Possessions)
69.1 65.8 65.0 66.4
Points Per Minute
1.75 1.78 1.73 1.81
Points Per Possession (PPP)
1.04 1.09 1.08 1.10
Points Per Shot (PPS)
1.22 1.25 1.19 1.29
2-PT FG% 49.6% 47.7% 47.2% 48.1%
3-PT FG% 33.8% 36.6% 35.1% 37.5%
FT% 70.5% 70.3% 69.2% 71.0%
True Shooting % 53.6% 54.1% 52.5% 55.3%






2003-04
(Pre-Haith)
2005-11 First Three Years
Last Four Years
Assists/Gm 13.5 12.5 11.9 12.9
Steals/Gm 8.5 6.4 6.9 6.1
Turnovers/Gm 15.4 13.2 12.7 13.6
Ball Control Index (BCI)
(Assists + Steals) / TO
1.43 1.43 1.49 1.40


2003-04
(Pre-Haith)
2005-11 First Three Years
Last Four Years
Expected Off. Reb./Gm 12.4 12.4 12.7 12.1
Offensive Reb./Gm
12.9 13.2 14.0 12.6
Difference +0.5 +0.8 +1.3 +0.5

Ken Pomeroy Offensive Stats


2003-04
(Pre-Haith)
2005-11 First Three
Years
Last Four
Years
Efficiency 91 41.3 44.7 38.8
Effective FG% 137 145.3 192.7 109.8
Turnover % 203 103.7 46.0 147.0
Off. Reb. % 58 45.1 30.0 56.5
FTA/FGA 293 199.3 285.7 134.5

Haith's time at Miami shows that there are a lot of ways to build a good offense.  With Mike Anderson in charge here, Mizzou fans learned the value of ball control and pace.  Haith's teams did not play fast and did not dominate in terms of ball control, but they still rated pretty high on a year-to-year basis because they were great at generating second-chance opportunities (and because they were playing pretty tough schedules).  They took decent shots, and if they missed them, they got the rebound.

What's interesting to note here is how Miami's offensive identity changed over time.  In Haith's first three years, Miami was a poor-shooting team that didn't draw any fouls whatsoever, but they were great on the glass and didn't turn the ball over much.  In the last four years, Miami's offense improved overall because they took better shots and drew quite a few more fouls ... but their rebounding numbers sank slightly, and their turnover numbers regressed considerably.  They seemingly became a more guard- and perimeter-oriented team.  What this tells me, among other things, is that Haith does not run a "system" of sorts, like we were maybe accustomed to during Mike Anderson's tenure; his offense shifts and adapts based on the personnel at hand.  With the seemingly guard-oriented team he will be inheriting next season, I would expect Missouri's numbers to resemble those from Haith's later years at Miami rather than those from his earlier years (only, hopefully, with the turnover numbers from the early years).

Correlations

With a healthy sample size of seven seasons, I wanted to do one other thing with Miami's numbers here.  I added very simple measures of both experience and talent (as it pertains to recruiting rankings), and I looked at the correlations between the factors above and the talent/experience on hand.

For Experience, I simply assigned a number value to each of the top ten players in Miami's rotation.  A freshman was a 1, sophomore 2, etc.  Over Haith's seven years, these ten players garnered scores between 22 (in 2010-11) and 30 (in 2008-09).  About as simplistic as you can get.

For Talent, I did basically the same thing.  I added together the star ratings for each of the top ten players in Miami's rotation.  A two-star player was a 2, et al.  (Unrated players got a 2 as well.)  Over Haith's seven years, Miami had a "talent" rating between 26 (in Haith's first year) and 35 (2009-10).

Below are some of the stronger correlations I found.

3PA/FGA

There was a 0.70 correlation between the "talent" on hand and the number of 3-pointers Miami attempted.  This confused me until I realized one simple thing: of the seven four- and five-star players Haith landed at Miami, six were wing players (shooting guards or small forwards).  So more "talent" on hand meant more of a focus on perimeter stars like James Dews.

Does this mean we're going to go through another episode of "(Random Missouri Coach) Can't Land An Elite Big Man!!!"?  We'll see.  It's obviously hard to tell if Haith "can't" land a big man, or if he just never did.  (Obviously Otto Porter would be a good place to start in this regard.)

Turnovers

The strongest correlation of anything was the minus-0.74 correlation between Miami's "talent" and the number of turnovers they committed.  The more recruiting stars, the more turnovers.  Again, this is mostly due to where the talent played.  Haith's early teams didn't turn the ball over much at all, so I assume he will do decent things with Missouri's not-so-turnover-prone roster next year.

(Speaking of which, if Phil Pressey does stay at Mizzou for next season, he and Mike Dixon will provide Haith with two more really good point guards than it appears he had at Miami.  He had Denis Clemente, but Clemente transferred after two years; he had Guillermo Diaz, but Diaz really wasn't a true point guard.  Dixon and Pressey both put on their scorer hats at times, but they are very strong in the assists department.  We talk about the good situation Mike Anderson is inheriting at Arkansas -- he supposedly has issues with elite recruiting, but he's inheriting an elite recruiting class; well, something similar might be happening with Haith and Mizzou.)

FG%

There was a 0.69 correlation between "talent" and the effectiveness of Miami's shooting.  They turned the ball over, and they took more 3's, but they also made a ton more shots.  Though it came with iffy ball-handling, Miami's overall offense did improve with the upgrade in talent, and it came mostly in the shooting department.

A/FGM

Another strong correlation: 0.69 between Assists Per Field Goal Made and "talent."  Again, it likely has to deal with quality of the guys on the perimeter.

FTA/FGA

Here's an interesting one.  There were very few strong correlations between any of these categories and overall experience (we'll see in tomorrow's post that quality defense was much more closely tied to experience, offense to talent).  The strongest one was the 0.54 correlation between experience and the number of fouls Miami drew.  I guess that makes sense if you think of drawing fouls as a "craftiness" skill.  At the same time, there was a 0.57 correlation between the same measure and talent.

Offensive Rebounding

When the "talent" improved on the perimeter, Miami's offensive rebounding numbers sank.  There is a minus-0.57 correlation between offensive rebounding rate and the talent on hand.  So ... he needs a couple of low-rated blue-collar guys on hand then?  Not sure what to make of this or how seriously to take it.

 

In all, these correlations are probably more useful as entertainment than as hints into the upcoming Haith tenure.  If he recruits a wider array of blue-chippers (i.e. good recruits at more than just the SG and SF positions), then the correlations might not apply too much.  Tomorrow, we look at defense (in which case the correlations will become much more useful) and why Miami was pretty poor in close games.

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I appreciate all the time, effort, and research you put into this article.

I still don’t agree with some of it, but I do think the article (not the hire) deserves praise.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

If you dont agree with statistics and correlations

this really is not the place for you :-)

Advocating for the "Spreadbone" since 2010
Rock M Nation

by The Beef on Apr 5, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a stat... tournament win in 7 years...

That’s a good stat. That’s only one more win than you or I have, unless you’re secretly Norm Stewart!

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

When Mike Krzyzewski took over Duke

He had 0 NCAA tournament appearances and a 73-59 record. In his fourth season, he took Duke to an NCAA tournament, and by his sixth season Duke was the national runner up. But, if we just use wins and losses as criteria, Coach K was an awful hire for Duke, ’cause there had to have been someone better available.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Getting just a little more excited each day.

I’m not overly impressed by the hire, but damn if I’m not proud to have him as a coach, given everything I’ve heard about him.

by KeysMyaths on Apr 5, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Am I the only one

who didn’t know Nook’s parents coach volleyball at Mizzou?

by stuckinstl12 on Apr 5, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Fun Fact:

His Dad also played for the Celtics.

by MU'97 on Apr 5, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think so. :-)

For me, though, I’ve lived around Columbia for a long time, so I’ve heard their names seemingly forever.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since "Black Monday" could be considered offensive, there really should be a name for yesterday.

Maybe “Marginalization Monday” – the day we all look back on and see the start of Mizzou as an irrelevant basketball program.

Even Mike Alden’s press release discusses how great of a recruiter, how good he is with kids, how he graduates players… all well and good but as you state…. he doesn’t win. And I think the priorities should be 1. Run a clean program, 2. WIN , 3. Everything else.

If he’s that great of a recruiter, and still didn’t win (1 tourney victory in 7 years), then he’s obviously not a good game coach – fan support is irrelevant to X’s and O’s.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps we could look at it in a different light.

He “hasn’t won” rather than he “doesn’t win” because those are two entirely different things.

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

Have you made this point before?

A lot of us were shocked by this hire. If you’re a Missouri fan, now that he’s our coach, you’ll give him a chance. If you’re not, why are you posting here? It’s over, we’ve already hired him.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still haven't drank the Kool-Aid

Gary Parish, Pat Forde, all the experts claim this is a bad hire. None of them can find one reason why this would work out…usually, they come up with “He has good ties to the state of Missouri”, or “He would have won at Miami if it wasn’t for x,y, and z”. But they couldn’t come up with anything other than “Huh?”.
Now, honestly, you can line all the so-called experts up against a wall for all I’m concerned, but when we have to grasp at straws to find a legitimate reason for this hire, and can’t, it’s troublesome.
Only time will tell – like Pastner here in Memphis. Jury is still out on if he can coach or not. He can recruit, but obviously not motivate. Hopefully, Haith has some Pastner qualities (the good ones anyway).

"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai

by brik on Apr 5, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Coach Haith has a twitter, guys.

Kim, Marcus, etc have confirmed it’s legitimacy. @CoachHaith

Let’s all make him feel welcome and make a good first impression. Plenty of time to jump ship later if it ever comes to that.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

There is no higher compliment

that I can give to a Mizzou-related article than to forward the link to my Black and Gold bleeding mother, who has been a Tiger fan for 38 years, with a subject line of “Must Read,” which is what I just did.

No one knows for sure if he will be a runaway success on the court, but if he runs a clean program, is an exceptional ambassador for the school, and beats kU more than the dearly departed xCMA, I am ready to get excited for basketball season. Which, incidentally, feels like a really, really long time from now.

by brentonjay on Apr 5, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

While I want to win as bad as anyone ...

I can’t argue with hiring a coach with solid coaching abilities and proven character. I know we all want to win a Championship and we want to beat KU, but in the larger picture of life and in the lives of real men who play at our university and go on to work and raise families, character and integrity matter.

Check out any comment thread after any number of articles about former KU ticket employees getting 3 years or 4 years in prison and you’ll be hard pressed not to find the words, “yeah, but we win.” In the movies and on TV, this machoism plays well. In real life, under the light of integrity, it is a sad display.

Kudos, Mike Alden. I’m along for the ride. And a Bully for old Mizzou!

by mizz-robbie on Apr 5, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

So we're just supposed to lower our expectations?

“Well we won’t win but at least all of the players will be nice”…..“Yeah, we suck but at least everyone gets along”… lol….. do they all get participation trophies at the end of the season?

I’m sure that the donors who write checks would love to hear that all the money they’ve given the athletic department in recent years wasn’t to improve the quality of the teams and help produce winning programs at Missouri but instead as some sort of community outreach program.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boom!

You mean MU is still an educational institution?

by countrycal on Apr 5, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

So,

What’s the best way to go about improving this situaiton, from your standpoint?

by MU'97 on Apr 5, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do what I'm doing, which is withdrawing my financial support from the program.

If the money dries up, then maybe they’ll get a coach worthy of Mizzou, one who wins, one who inspires the fanbase. They’ve already shot themselves in the foot for at least the next 3 years but maybe the next hire will be made with consideration of how this was mishandled.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let us know how much that is.

Perhaps we can make up the difference.

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sorry.

Which again?

Booster Club $50-$249
Black & Gold Club $250-$499
Varsity Club $500-$999
Champion Club $1,000-$2,999
Silver Club $3,000-$4,999
Gold Club $5,000-$9,999
Director Club $10,000-$16,991
Tiger Scholar $16,992-$26,205
Legacy Scholar $26,206+

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one cares

Donate your money to KU if you want instant wins.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

to be fair

someone asked him how much he gave. Or course, this was only after he claimed he would be withdrawing his support (and saying so in a way to make us think it was significant)

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

also called

cutting of your nose to spite your face.

Since you want Alden fired, how about we hope that the football team really sucks next year, then maybe, just maybe, we can start firing people and get this back to a winning program!!!!

Hold it, it already is winning program…

by tigertiger on Apr 5, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

And on second thought,

where are your basketball season tickets located? I’m looking to upgrade mine.

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

so are you saying we're having a home and home

with Georgetown?

If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden

by lost..in the woods on May 2, 2011 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't see how you can pull support for a sports team because they didn't hire who YOU wanted them to hire.

Be honest, you don’t know jack about Haith. He hasn’t proven he can win, but he also hasn’t put us in the cellar yet like you assume he is going to do. AT LEAST wait until a season or so is finished, THEN decide what to do with your money. Personally, I would continue to support the University and Mizzou Athletics until we hire someone who gives us a bad name (Quin).

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

They'll have to live and learn...

I’ve talked to a couple of fellow alums who are fortunate enough to have the resources to support our school in the past and they will not be renewing either.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's amazing how quickly people flip flop.

first, people r up in arms about the hire and calling for the head of alden and then when someone has the guts to make a statement to the university about this likely poor hire, people turn on the guy. the university doesn’t care about u or your thoughts until u hit them in the pocket book.

i applaud falcon for standing up for what he believes in and having the guts to do something about. too many people on these kind of message boards r all talk. it’s nice to see someone who can back it up.

to add to that, just because u don’t give financial support to the school doesn’t mean that you r giving up ur mizzou fandom. it just means you feel there r better ways to spend you’re 25k where it won’t be wasted on decisions u don’t agree with. by the way falcon, if u want to send that 25k my way, i can promise u it won’t be wasted, ya know, just throwing that out there.

Live Adventure!

by MountainManMike on Apr 6, 2011 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know.

How DARE someone change their initial, emotional reaction after further consideration. I mean, seriously. We should always go with our instinctual reaction to news. We would all make much better decisions that way.

by Babbalynski on Apr 6, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

@falcons05, Wow.

You are the type of fan i dislike the most. the man hasn’t coached one game and you’re already talking about withdrawing support. Can we say, REACTIONARY?
I’m tempted to say something mean and hateful, but i won’t. Instead, I will go on supporting my team and my University because that is where my heart is (and where a sizable portion of my monthly wages go). Concerning Mike Alden and the hire of Frank Haith; time will tell, but i will reserve judgment until there is a sufficient body of work at Mizzou. Whatever the results, Go Tigers!

by TIGRPRIDE on Apr 5, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not talking about withdrawing support.

I already have. My letter cancelling my tickets and stating that I will not by renewing my Leadership Gift went in the mail this morning.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one cares. Shut up.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rage on, man.

We totally screwed ourselves hiring this guy instead of some goof from the Valley.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Got me there, falcons05!

I think you may have lost your way this morning. It seems you’d be a better fit on tigerboard.com

by TIGRPRIDE on Apr 5, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

…bye. Door’s on your left, sugar.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

So basically dry up the funding so the whole world knows that the

inmates run the asylum at Mizzou. Put the BB program and Mike Alden into survival mode so the next time we go after a Matt Painter we have a disloyal fanbase to tout along with a coaches salary well below the market.?

Brilliant, where do I sign up?

by nwtiger1 on Apr 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

So....

Take away the money because less money = more wins? Just making sure I understand. Or you could up your donations so we can throw $5M a year at Coach K. If you want wins and inspiration, maybe we should have gone after Charlie Sheen.

by CoeMoe on Apr 5, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can I respectfully ask

Where is the harm in supporting a guy that has yet to coach a single game at Mizzou? I’m not trying to come down on you I’m just curious.

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, you're supposed to not sabotage your own program

by assuming that the coach will suck, and refusing to give him a chance.

The biggest way this can kill the program is if a bunch of fans cut coach Haith’s legs out from under him before he ever has a chance. Who wants to come to a program (or stick around) when a chunk of the fanbase does nothing but obsess about how the program is doomed before we ever play a game under our new coach?

Seems a bit masochistic to me….

by tigertiger on Apr 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

*

Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Wanneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

Just ignore the guy, people.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's hardly what I meant.

Maybe someone should read it to you. I’m saying there’s more important things than winning. Give me the choice of a dirty coach and a guaranteed championship vs. a solid coach who runs a clean program and I’ll take the latter. That may not be your choice, and that’s OK. Just hit the KU boards for pointers on how to defend a shady program.

by mizz-robbie on Apr 5, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have anything new to add?

You’ve repeated the same three lines since the hire was made. If you have new information or arguments you’d like to share, that would be really helpful.

Right now, it’s just coming across as whiny. But, I’m sure you know that, given your response to the reactions to your material – so carry on.

by KeysMyaths on Apr 5, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

To all the doubters....

(1) During his last four years at Miami, Haith won 23, 19, 20, 21 games. And, again, he had the support of roughly 4,000 fans at home games. How many games would Mike Anderson have won if he had 4,000 people at games in Columbia?

(2) Assuming Haith really is an average in-game coach — and who among us really knows that much about Miami basketball — wouldn’t having an assistant like Capel make that largely irrelevant? And, again, what evidence did we see that Mike Anderson was a great in-game coach?

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

He was good...

When he had some talent….

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chicken and egg, though, right?

He won when he had Blake Griffin. When he didn’t, he lost.

Now, I think Capel could be a good addition because he has experience leading a program, and he is a good recruiter. Just not sure he’s an established great game coach — it’s not like he came up through the mid-majors and fizzled at OU because of a talent gap.

by MU'97 on Apr 5, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Busted!

Totally forgot he was there. I still believe his results suggest he is a better recruiter than game coach, but you’re right that he did put in four years at VCU with success (and excellent recruiting!).

by MU'97 on Apr 5, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know i'm just feeding the troll....

but how long is it going to take you to feel like you’ve gotten your point across? You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, and I think on tigerboard and the stltoday forums you would be in a sea of agreement.

At this point we get it though, guy. You don’t like the hire. It happened though and I don’t know that I want to read you making the same post with different words over and over and over again until football season.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It must be nice to be smarter than an entire athletic department, falcon.

Since you’ve removed your fandom from Mizzou, perhaps you should focus it on UT or OU? I hear they get A LOT of bandwagon fans who have no loyalty or ties to the school.

Pardon The Distraction

"I like to think of myself as Miguel Paul. Generally disappointing and a waste of space, but every once in a while, WOW."- ghtd36

by CEW on Apr 5, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am optimistic about this hire.

My initial reaction was shock, followed by irrational anger, then disbelief — all of which happened within about 5 minutes. After that i took to the interwebs. I have been pleased with everything i hear about Frank Haith. I have faith that he will Rally the team and bring in good TALENT. This is what many of us have been clamoring for for the past 5 years. We played well against damn near everyone except the very talented teams. When we lost it seemed we didn’t have the horses most of the time. So, I’m excited to see what this team will look like. I hope he stresses disciplined basketball and i hope he can give the outgoing junior and senior classes a finish they deserve.

MIZ

by TIGRPRIDE on Apr 5, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

There's a few ways to win in college basketball

There’s catch-lightning-in-a-bottle one and doners, like Anthony, Carmelo. There’s get hot and stay hot and get a bunch of favorable breaks, like Connecticut, University of. And then there’s year after year success, built on quality people, quality coaches, that the fans can be proud in peak years and rebuilding years. The reason I’m getting optimistic about this hire because I would love to be a fan of the third option, and this may be the guy to build that kind of program.

If you just want to cheer for a team that wins, cheer for the Harlem Globetrotters. (Nothing against the Globetrotters – I’m just saying, it’s not a real game if the conclusion is forgone.)

by brentonjay on Apr 5, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still waiting...

For a negative-nelly to tell me how many more games than Haith (23, 19, 20, 21) would Mike Anderson have won if Mizzou Arena was filled with 4,000 games during the past four years….

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

You can't change

The number of games Haith won, or the miserable support he recieved while doing it. And since we’re grumbling about his percieved lack of wins, it seems relevant to look at Mike Anderson. He was average on the road, and excellent at home…what if he had 9,000 fewer fans? How would Anderson have done then?

Plus, during his tenure, Haith beat more top 25 teams than did Anderson…

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've got faith in Haith.

What’s done is done, and while he wasn’t my first (or second) choice, he’s my guy now.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

GUUUUUUUUUUH.

Alden said “Missourah.” Twice.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

you know

at least he wears a suit well.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Alden -- a lot. A whole lot.

But his penchant for “Missourah” beats me to no end.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

my second grade teacher in Iowa

sent me to the principle cause I told her “Missourah” wasn’t correct (she went to Truman)

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct Pronunciation

Since it is a Natice American word, that is technically the correct pronunciation of Missouri.

by khoff20 on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

DON'T YOU START WITH ME.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just going with

what I learned in my MO History class at MU

by khoff20 on Apr 5, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Susan Flader?

She was on my masters’ committee

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it was a male teacher

Don’t recall who. It was my first semester and that has been awhile.

by khoff20 on Apr 5, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Errr, professor

Damn, working with high school kids and being removed from university

by khoff20 on Apr 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I concur...

Professor Larry Brown told my class in Geography 2130: Geography of Missouri (At Mizzou, Spring ’08) that in 1897, the Missouri Legislature came within 1 vote of making it an offense punishable by a $5 fine for saying MISSOUREE, and that at that time 75% of people said Missourah. Missouree was used by outsiders from the Northeast that were moving into the states, like the ones who had also moved to Lawrence before the Civil War and perpetrated the Border War.

Ergo, Jayhawkers prefer MIssouree.

I swear I am not making this up.

by wwsqmb on Apr 5, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Susan Flader ftw

One of my faves.

I dunno man...hockey?

by majortool on Apr 5, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I'll admit I didn't read all of it

But this article seems to conclude (after a ton of research) that all of the pronunciations can be accepted, but I think (again, someone parse this for me, I’m somewhat illiterate in the nuances of language) that it says “Missoura” is the closest to the original pronunciation…or something like that:

http://missourifolkloresociety.truman.edu/Missouri%20Folklore%20Studies/THE%20PRONONCIATION%20OF%20MISSOURI.htm

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I say Missourah.

That’s the way my dad says it. And my dad is awesome.

by IHatedHarpos on Apr 5, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saying Missourah does not a bad person make.

But GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha. Of course.

I will note that I worked on the Mo. Supreme Court, and that’s how (most) of the judges said it. That is the highest court in the land.

by IHatedHarpos on Apr 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait a second. Wait a second.

You were on the Missouri Supreme Court?

/chooses to create this narrative

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

AND was high at the same time!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

IHATEDHARPOS IS A POT-SMOKING SUPREME COURT JUDGE.

/narrative’d

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I also can’t STAND the Missourah pronunciation. Pet peeve.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do you do when they do the Mizzou cheer at a MU basketball game

Do you not say Missourah then?
Hurray, Hurree
Mizzou-Ree! Mizzou-Ree! Mizzou-Ree! Tigers!

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 5, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a valid point...

although (as an outsider, having never attended Mizzou) I always perceived that to be more Mizzour-RAH than the complete name of the state. Which could be completely wrong.

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It probably is Mizzou-RAH

However, the chant may have originated when the Missour-ah pronunciation was much more commonplace.

Thus, by everyone moving towards Missour-ee, they’re really attacking the traditions of the university. Unnecessary spin for the win!

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I feel like a cheer and how I pronounce the actual state’s name aren’t the same thing. I’ve always seen it the same way as OSotP. Like Mizzouuuu-RAH. Not the same as Missourah in my mind. That said, I do not know the full history of the chant. I just think pronouncing the state’s name as “Missourah” sounds backwoodsy. Just a personal opinion.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always considered it to be older

In my experience, the people more likely to pronounce it Missour-ah are older. My entire mom’s side of the family (to my knowledge) pronounces is Missour-ah, and most of the people I’ve noticed doing it are officials who are, on average, a bit older. I pronounced it as Missour-ah for a long time (I’m 25 now), but changed my pronunciation in high school because people kept “correcting” me. I didn’t really care one way or the other, but I decided to simply avoid having discussions about there being “multiple correct pronunciations” every day.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back in the 60s . . .

. . . you could almost tell where a student was from by how they pronouced the state name. St. Louis and everything north of I-70 said “Missouruh,” and Kansas City and everyone south of I-70 said “Missouree.” Maybe it has changed now, but back then it was surprisingly consistent.

by countrycal on Apr 5, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couple of quick questions for someone in the know....

How long until Coach Haith is actually on campus interacting with our boys?

Does the NCAA allow formal “practices” and weight lifting sessions during this period of the offseason? And if so, who is currently administering them?

by A thru Zou on Apr 5, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Kimmie tweeted that they met this morning.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

he met with them this morning

I believe…he’ll be in his offices this week.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to RMN, bbqjoker!

You will still find a troll or two here from time to time, but they usually get quite tired after not being fed for a day or two and move on to the other boards.

Judging from your post, I think you will be both surprised and pleased by the quality of this board’s contributors and content; it was a wonderful find for me three years ago, though I lurked for an entire year and still stay quiet most of the time.

Looking forward to reading your contributions in the future . . .

Go Mizzou!

by countrycal on Apr 5, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tell you what...

…he sure is a well spoken gentleman. I’m impressed by the presser.

by A thru Zou on Apr 5, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

blech.

I’m sure you’re not intending it this way but I find it staggering that the only people in sports ever described as “well spoken” are black.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

/distances

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know you didn't and I'm sorry for even bringing it up.

It’s along the lines of comparing white athletes to white athletes, black athletes to black athletes and never the other way around.

Black athletes can be well spoken.
White athletes can be hard workers and scrappy.

Just one of the athletic memes that drives me crazy.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a real deal, though

(Not with A thru Zou, just in general.) I support bringing it up, even if there isn’t necessarily a solution readily available.

by brentonjay on Apr 5, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

how's this

his vocal inflection is different than anderson, but that may be because Anderson yelled a lot. Or was a Blues singer on the side.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hell guys,

I was REALLY just trying to give the man a compliment and some support.

by A thru Zou on Apr 5, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

We know.

Bigger cultural conversation, not dogging on you homeboy.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

A through Zou, don’t take it the wrong way

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's conversate here then:

Bigger Pet Peeve.

An articulate black man having to revert to ebonics within the black community so you are not viewed as an Uncle Tom.

Let’s all embrace grammer, now.

by Zou want a piece? on Apr 5, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope

that’s an intentional typo there on “grammar…..”

by Babbalynski on Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

what

Frank the Tank is shorter than Alden?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

PAM PAM PAM PAM PAM PAM PAM PAM PAM.

/always get into a habit of liking the coach’s wife

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you saying Pam? or Pan?

Dale: Pan.
Pam: Pam.
Brennan: Pand…There’s a D on the end.
Dale: With an M.
Pam: There’s no D. it’s Pam.
Dale: It’s like “Comb” except P-A-N-M. N-N. There’s two N’s.
Brennan: Two M’s. That was the confusion.

by jedswife on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Missourah

I always wonder if this pronunciation is unintentional or a PR tactic…

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I've heard Nixon

use both, depending on whom he thinks the audience is. I grew up in Columbia, and thought it was -uh, then moved to St. Louis, where I realized it was -ee. Play the hits, you know.

by brentonjay on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

It is spelled with an “i.”

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

After taking Geography of Missouri to fulfill some ugrad req.

there are like 27 ways to say pronounce it, and they all have support that they aren’t incorrect.

Yes politicians have been known to record things differently depending on which section of the state it is airing.

by hed64 on Apr 5, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I usually hear it as -ee in Columbia.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coach Haith is on twitter

if you’re interested.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

first checkmark in the "What Mike Alden loos for in a head coach" category

all about the family

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

You lied to me Mike

people don’t love me just yet…

Frank’s clued in…

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

LOVE that comment.

“People are gonna love you Frank.” But I know people already don’t love me.

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Haha

Mike said “They’re going to love you… and you lied to me, Mike… some of them don’t love me yet”

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Rick Barnes taught him how to adjust?

We’re screwed.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

yep

pretty funny stuff there…

by CBonerfied on Apr 5, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's easy to see why people like him.

Seems very affable.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I know it's hard to say from a presser

but he seems genuine. The kind of guy that kids would want to play for.

by CBonerfied on Apr 5, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mickey D fires the first salvo

and goes for the throat

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

And Haith is handling it well so far

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

asked if he's got all this going for him

why did his record at Miami suck…basically that Miami doesn’t give a goat’s testicle about it’s basketball team, and the ACC didn’t want the school involved. Felt he did the best he could in a bad situation.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

.

ACC tough conference.
Expansion wasn’t wanted, Miami expected to lose.
Improved program, not as much as he wanted.
Mizzou is awesome.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Along the lines of:

Let me start by addressing the university of miami: It didn’t have basketball from the 70s to the mid 80s. Two losing seasons before i took over. 5 postseasons in 7 years in the tradition rich ACC. Tons of improvements made. Wishes he could have won more, talked about some key missed opportunities.

Basically just super direct in addressing what everyone (cough falcon05 cough) have been nagging about.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we get a synopsis?

Don’t really want to stream video at work.

by KeysMyaths on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

In short:

How much responsibility do you feel to show people that the record at Miami was incidental?

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Currently defending his record in ACC

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now talking up Mizzou

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mike DeArmond

Have you done correct in your life that wasn’t involved with fathering and raising Gabe? Embarrassing.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Mikey D found a sensitive way to ask a tough question.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I like the fire that he's showing

in answering DeArmond’s question. Not afraid….whoops….NO FEAR

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Knock down the assumption that he sucked at Miami.

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Critical way to start of the Q and A.

I’m glad that he’s getting the opportunity to address the biggest reason “people don’t love him” yet.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Had to start that way.

Mike D was only asking what everyone wanted him to ask.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

"A place like Missouri..."

Guy makes it sound like a vacation destination. WELCOME HAITH.

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

AND YAKOV SMIRNOFF!!

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

In Soviet Miami, basketball plays you!

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

Bully for you

Advocating for the "Spreadbone" since 2010
Rock M Nation

by The Beef on Apr 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bully!

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point...

…I really do wish we had the power to change the “Rec” terminology…damn awesome-but-uneditable template…

by Bill C. on Apr 5, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

And cool

Refreshing e.coli water at the lake!

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like every state does.

I moved to Wisconsin, and found out that they had an “international tour destination” as well.

It’s just as mediocre as Branson.

by KeysMyaths on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to see Branson on steroids, visit Pigeon Forge Tennessee

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I moved to Springfield from Columbia

About a year ago. Table Rock is an awesome lake.

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is!

I’m bummed because my mom just put that house on the market to move down to Bartlesville, OK. I grew up in Blue Eye, MO, and that will always be home to me. Spent 95% of my summers on and in the lake!

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

the best pie I ever ate

Was at little place near or in blue eye called the Dairy Barn or something like that. Sadly I went back last may and they sold it someone else and it is a bbq place and the pie isn’t as good.

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best pie I've ever had

was at “Slice of Pie” in Rolla. Awesome.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dairy Land!

Yeah it’s “Hawg Heaven” BBQ now, you should try that out too! It’s incredible! Drove past there every day on my way to school!

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I did try it

Not bad at all. The food was good but the pie just wasn’t what I had hoped for.

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Diary Land!

Yep. Went there so many times, a lifetime ago.

by brentonjay on Apr 5, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I too know of Blue Eye.

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Played them in basketball . . .

. . . in ’66 when I was at Marionville. That was one loooooooonnnnnggggg bus drive – especially when they beat us. Lots of country roads all the way home.

by countrycal on Apr 5, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The Missouri job is one I looked at during my time at Texas and said that's a big time job."

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Wait, you don't think Frank Haith is a good hire?

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not a quote.

Go run away and pout, sugar. We’ll come get you later.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

now I want cookies...

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"I thought to myself...I wonder if falcons05 would ever have the balls to say this to my face"

Pardon The Distraction

"I like to think of myself as Miguel Paul. Generally disappointing and a waste of space, but every once in a while, WOW."- ghtd36

by CEW on Apr 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

"And you may tell yourself, 'This is not my beautiful house'"

“And you may tell yourself, ‘This is not my beautiful wife’”

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder

Do you get to change your mind when he creates consistent winners? Or now that you’ve planted your flag, shouldn’t you consider yourself a non-Missouri fan for as long as Haith is here?

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am a Missoui fan, but no longer a supporter of the Men's BB program...

I’ll keep my FB tix for now. And I dont think I’ll have to worry about the “consistent winners” part…. I’ll just bide my time for 3 years till the next coach comes in.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Makes virtually no sense....

Whether you like it or not, he is the Missouri basketball coach. He will win or lose regardless of your support, why not support him and see what happens?

by mpfische on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

If my support is irrelevant...

.. which it is despite the financial side of it (not like Mizzou is hurting for money), then my support either way doesnt matter and so I can choose to regard this hiring and this coach as a disgrace without fearing any real impact on the school I love.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to ask, do you have these gifs lined up, ready and waiting?

it’s like you’re pulling them out of a holster. Well played.

Follow me on twitter.com/SteveCusumano

by MizzouCus on Apr 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've got sources.

/SOURCES!!!!!!!!!!

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit.

This is probably the best job of dealing with a troll evarr.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really starting to notice and like Vahe from the P-D

How long has he been working for them? Is he filling the Graham Watson hole?

by hed64 on Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Vahe's always been the college writer.

I think as times have gotten hard for the P-D he’s had to take on more of a beat role vs. his national commentary in the past.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is the case

you can’t really have a guy around anymore just for three columns a week.

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, have to admit it

I was already warming to Haith as a hire (I don’t think most of us really had an idea of how bad Miami was at basketball until now…at least I didn’t fully know), but his answer to Mike’s question was amazing, to the point, and shows that this guy is passionate and wants to win at Mizzou. I’m starting to really like this guy!

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

#FaithInHaith!

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Faith in Haith?

No, it’s the Haters Gonna Haith, Frank. Get the meme right.

Pardon The Distraction

"I like to think of myself as Miguel Paul. Generally disappointing and a waste of space, but every once in a while, WOW."- ghtd36

by CEW on Apr 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

and the fir "Faith in Haith" comment

I must say I’m gonna enjoy the play on words with his name

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

He's certainly aware that he's got people that don't like him.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

It's all misguided at this point

Mostly internet tough guys. Only time will tell if this is the right hire, but there’s plenty to like about him.

by CBonerfied on Apr 5, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

... Pinkel can't win here?

Are they by chance just kind of ignoring the past?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

they're the type of guys who

after the OU game, said “waited goddammed long enough”

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've met people

Who irrationally hate Pinkel. Apparently him completely turning our football team around isn’t enough, and now that we’re “good” we should be in a BCS game every year. Fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He says we'll play an uptempo game?

Obviously not MA fast, but hey… I like it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

right; reading the post above

it seems like he’s adjusted the offense to meet his players’ strengths each year

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which is a really good sign

It’s something Coach K does very well at.

/notsayinghaithiscoachk

by Team on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

oooooh

the tempo question….and Haith says that he wants to play up tempo and get transition buckets

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Alright, I have to go to class.

Let me know if any more Haith puns are created, I’m all in.

Pardon The Distraction

"I like to think of myself as Miguel Paul. Generally disappointing and a waste of space, but every once in a while, WOW."- ghtd36

by CEW on Apr 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

shoot.

i wanted him to say something like "We will beat kU.’

by jack.nowland on Apr 5, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

…a bit of a missed opportunity to rally the troops.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

and the Flip Pressey question

don’t think he would say anything about Flip transferring at his press conference though

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah.

Gotta take that with a grain of salt.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda wanna hear an Otto Porter question

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Won't get one

not allowed to comment on unsigned players

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did not realize that.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah thanks

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

SOMEONE GET THAT IN WRITING!!

“I’m here for the long haul, this is my home.”

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

i think you just did?

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

On this day of April 5, 2011 in the official archives of RMN...

Coach Frank “The Tank” Haith declares that Missouri is his home, and that he is in said state for the “long haul”.

As good as a contract! Sorry falcon, if he leaves he breaks the contract!

by CapnCribbs on Apr 5, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope he buys a mansion on a hill

with a money pit he can dive into like Scrooge McDuck.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

They see me trollin'.

I’m hatin’.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Haithin?

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indubitably.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coaching staff not set. Let's see what happens as far as that goes.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Boy, you can see that Frank

is a good guy, but he has the potential for a sweet death stare. Guys named Frank = DEATH STARE.

by CBonerfied on Apr 5, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Stop referencing Rick Barnes! Please!

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah... you noticed that too?

Nothing like getting an apple off the Barnes coaching tree…. with his long history of success in the tourney and … oh, wait.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

YOUR TEARS SHORT-CIRCUITED THAT GIF, FALCON.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the queue.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

The real question in all of this

Is whether he understands that “Show-Me” is hyphenated or not. THIS IS IMPORTANT!

by hed64 on Apr 5, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

"You know I look good"

the Haters gonna Haith swagger coming out

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I want a shirt...

…that has a picture of his face just after he said he had been in for 25 years when he had that sly smile on his face with the quote, “I know I look good…” under in big bold letters.

by achillbreeze on Apr 5, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wow...

…you are kinda a douche. I usually don’t like the idea of banning anyone but…someone…please…smash this bird with a hammer.

by achillbreeze on Apr 5, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL I just ordered this from customink.com.

I have a feeling in about 3 years I could make a fortune selling these!

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for finally abandoning all pretense

it makes moderation so much easier.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's becoming pretty evident that he's a Kansas fan.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point 1: I am positive that this is a lie.

Point 2:

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Awwww, you exceeded your limit! Poor girl.

And yes, I am a Missouri grad (undergrad), class of 2002.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point 1: More lies.

Point 2: I’m seeing the gif just fine.
Point 3:

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

If you want,

I’ll gladly take a picture of my diploma, its hanging right here in the office.

Can I see your diploma from wherever you finished school? I’m thinking barber college or ITT tech.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point 1: There are literally hundreds of people on this website alone that can vouch for me, compared to precisely zero for you.

Point 2:

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

mean girls?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lies.

See how easy it is to accuse?

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

uh.....The Hills?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That little X makes all the difference in the world.

What exactly are you contributing to the discussion other than wasting people’s bandwidth?

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, this is just an apologist's website then?

Agree with everything Mizzou does or get out? That’s interesting.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

dude

have you looked at anything other than posts from the last 72 hours?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Your years of training have served you well

well sleuthed.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would waste my time point out all the ways...

…in which you are allowed/encouraged to disagree without being a total douchebag about it, but to you, anything less than “I AGREE, MIKE ALDEN IS THE WORST ATHLETIC DIRECTOR IN THE COUNTRY, AND FRANK HAITH IS THE WORST COACH” is “apologist.” So I don’t really feel like wasting my time.

by Bill C. on Apr 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not what you're saying

But how you’re saying it. There are still a few people here who aren’t happy with the Haith hire, but they’re trying to find a silver lining. In addition, they put forth their disapproval rationally and respectfully, rather than saying the same thing over and over and then questioning the intelligence of the other party.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that solves it.

We’re not credible. Better find a credible site to visit!

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Door's on your left.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

don't let the front door

hit ya on the backside on the way out!

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking...

what does Tepper contribute, aside from humor, gifs, rock-hard abs and perfect bone structure?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

How soon you've forgotten the

“Better know…” an opponent series

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by CPC on Apr 5, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

in the context of the moment

I was hacking on Tep. And this Falcon feller.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Falcon

When you have new, legitimate information you would like to debate, let’s discuss it. But you don’t.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's play "What's my line"

First question:

Were you at one time known as Wibb on Tigerboard?

(Some of you will understand this questions!)

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

and we like it

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

awful haircut

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is that male or female?

Either way, I’m a little scared right now.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds a little like....

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's mocking you because you're trolling.

Do you not get this? You keep saying the same negative thing over and over, and he keeps doing the same thing back.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
-Albert Einstein

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shut up Beaker

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I think he's enjoying the attention we're giving him just fine.

Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Wanneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 5, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

ummmm....

lets people close down the gif if they want to

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are you contributing?

You’re just saying the same thing. Over. And over. And over.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Having met Tepper at Homecoming this year

I can, quite assuredly vouch for him.

And if you want my bonifides, I’ll send you a scan of my fucking transcript right now and a picture of my degree later.

While I feel such actions are unnecessary, in light of the noxious attitude you’ve brought over the last 24 hours or so, such proof can be made available.

Your point has been well made: You don’t like the hire. Great. Wonderful. It is a point that could have been made in an instant and then you could have left it alone.

But since you’re new around here, and you continued to flog the point that you hated the hire, think it is the worst in the world, you’re pulling your financial support AND you hope he is gone within three years….

You are going to be mocked. Mercilessly.

Or maybe, just maybe, you enjoy being a troll. I mean, hell, we all have things that make us feel good, and if that does it for you, then whatever.

It quite frankly does nothing for me, and I am not ever going to interact with you on this board ever again.

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"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch." ~ Sterling Archer

by D-Sing on Apr 5, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Side note:

That was fun. Especially when Trent Ratterree’s brother faux-threatened to kill me.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was indeed. :)

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by D-Sing on Apr 5, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was so, so proud of himself about that.

And I was so disappointed that I couldn’t watch it up close without ruining the joke…

by Bill C. on Apr 5, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have a pic of that on my iPhone

///wishing I knew how to post photos///

Even in Mexico....kU SUCKS!

by OKCTiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

get Twitpic app

then post to that, then link

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

fun fact

ghtd was a student of mine

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You must be so proud.

“What’s that? You’ve got a former student at the New York Times? That’s interesting. Mine POSTS PICTURES OF CRYING PEOPLE ON A WEBSITE!

Scoreboard!"

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean DIego?

yeah, he got out of the RMN just in time

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I support this commercial idea 100%

And I’m making it official by rec’ing it.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

To this day...

…the fact that it’s Dean Dean elates me to no end.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rilla...

Isn’t that one of the Wu-Tang Clan?

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

My dad got his phD… pHd… PhD… He got his doctorate in journalism at Mizzou. Taught at Kansas St for a long time before moving on to Texas Tech. Now he’s in Qatar.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

He’s at the University of Doha if I remember correctly. He joked that it was the only time he’d get to be a diversity hire.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went to ITT Tech

What’s your point?

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by CPC on Apr 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

you suck, obviously.

will pay $30 at any point for access to an mlb.tv season long account

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 5, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just like everything and everyone else.

According to our new friend.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

is this what Glee has become?

Gif factory?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its lone redeeming quality.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about Netflixing it

when it’s run has ended…should I not?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The one episode I've seen was pretty entertaining.

I dunno… the buzz I’ve heard so far is that it started out strong, but already started to dip in quality by the end of its first season.

Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Wanneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 5, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's my understanding...

the writers ran out of steam, having to invent issues. I assume all the “guest stars” means the shark is on its way.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never enjoyed the show

But I tend to dislike most musicals. Just can’t reconcile sacrificing storyline for a five minute song…just not what I’m personally after. I know a lot of people who love the show, and quite a few who hate it.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you able to wield the banhammer?

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

Which is probably good. I get a little power mad.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

What pretense?

I haven’t been anything but honest about my feelings on this hire. Not like I’m beating around the bush here, I thinks its terrible.

by falcons05 on Apr 5, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, I think you actually love the hire

Checkmate.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Love that show.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you've made your point, and made your point, and made your point...

…and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point, and made your point.

by Bill C. on Apr 5, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Bill's here!

When do we start considering the banhammer?

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

We've never banned somebody simply for being unlikable.

We’re pretty proud of that. But … at some point you actually have to be attempting to become a member of the community instead of just an instigator…

by Bill C. on Apr 5, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the most egregious offense

Is that he’s starting to take personal attacks at members of the community…his Haith bashing was getting old, but now he’s responding by using petty name calling. If anything, that will end up being banhammer worthy if they devolve any further.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we get him set up with an account somewhere else then?

Also, he’s started bashing Tepper’s educational background now.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haith'rs gonna Haith.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

on himself?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

You also don't want to risk the community and high level of discourse

just because of a technicality. If falcon is not contributing to the discussion (clearly he is not), then what makes him different from a spam advertisement? The only difference I can see is that he is/claimes to be a missouri fan.

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

of course, I’m obsessively ‘z’-ing through comments to see ght’s hilarious gifs….

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guilty.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope falcontroll will not drive me away

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 5, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ain't no durn troll . . .

. . . wirth given’ up my RMN!

Goe Mizzou-rah!

by countrycal on Apr 5, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mizzou-rah!!

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 6, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

not beating around the bush

just beating a dead horse.

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

again

flagged

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

1/3rd of this thread is literally unreadable

the format is nice when there arent giant reply pyramids

by mrbrambles on Apr 5, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Frank Haith?

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

is there somewhere i can

watch the presser later, i had a doctors appointment this morning so i missed it

by optiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Ditto.

Was just about to ask this. I’ve been in a meeting all morning.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

twitter @sirensofsilence

by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should be here

http://www.mutigers.com/allaccess/

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Steve Martin is Haithin this hire.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

ght deserves some kind of academy award

for gif-tography today. An excellent day sir. Using humor to diffuse what could be an angry response.

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Ricardo is putting his name in for the NBA draft too

wants evaluation. here’s one. Rebound more.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Stop fouling

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do work.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get money.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

The last time this was popular something got digitized.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 5, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill...

…did you just do what I think you just did?

/been around SBN too long that I start to notice, ahem, “glitches”

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

awwww....

we can’t witness any more cry relies?

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

replies

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to compliment the RMN community

on the handling of this difficult “situation”.

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

There's a difference between a dissenting opinion

And being the guy who yells the same thing as loud as he can over and over and over again. If, by the 20th or 30th time you say something you can’t add ANYTHING new to the argument…well, it’s not really helping anything. Except giving us an awesome array of GIFs.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what happened

but if it removed that poster’s comments I’m happy.

by bbqjoker on Apr 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unless it's a "you must behave like an adult"-thinking collective

Then I think that’s a good one.

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hivemind

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 5, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And t-shirts are already available

(bonus points if anyone knows the reference)

by Mac6uffin on Apr 5, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Die Hard, I thought?

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by D-Sing on Apr 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Die Hard on cable.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Die Hard (television edit).

One of the funniest edits out there.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

yippie ki yay, melon farmer

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh noes!

he changed his name but kept the same numbers to end it so we can’t tell it’s him!!

What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck

by darklighter09 on Apr 5, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure if serious...

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats

You’re officially Herpes. Perhaps not the same location or the same spot, but your a disease that just won’t go away.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, I got a question

why is it when I click on someone’s name, and then backup, I lose all the comments posted since the last refresh?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I have noticed that too.

I try to remember to open in another tab or window.

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't suppose SBN provides a way to ban someone by their IP address.

I’ve used other forum setups that had such a thing. It would provide a solution to this.

We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.

by jaeger on Apr 5, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

They track IP's...

…still working on how to ban a specific IP. Haven’t ever had to before.

by Bill C. on Apr 5, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's so beautiful how, after all these years, you and SBN can still have firsts in your relationship.

tear

We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.

by jaeger on Apr 5, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That tear was intended to be in asterisks and denote a single tear rolling down my cheek.

We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.

by jaeger on Apr 5, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a perfect solution, no.

But it takes a lot more motivation to access from a new IP address than it does just to knock out a new username.

We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.

by jaeger on Apr 5, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, sorry, not really aimed at you

the folks I work with think that IP bans are the solution for everything all the time.

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright.

Let’s all chill out. This is what happens when we have too much excitement before lunch.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

EXACTLY.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Breaking News:

Coach Earlywine resigns, accepts job with Nebraska

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm eagerly awaiting this guy's next name choice

hoping he retaliates with a “fake ghtd36” and posts about how much he hates the Rangers

Follow me on twitter.com/SteveCusumano

by MizzouCus on Apr 5, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd laugh.

Then call for his banning.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

... Say...

Do you want to take back that Hamilton for Volquez trade? Hmmm?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tempting...

…but I’ll pass.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the Rangers

but it’s only because I hate baseball

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's tough but fair.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grrr

I just got done with chemistry and bought a monster in the vending machine in the ag building. I walk out the door and what do I see? One of the monster trucks handing out free monsters. Whoops.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

That it does.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That song is brilliant.

It claims to be about irony, then the lyrics display a complete lack of understanding of the concept, which is, in and of itself, ironic.

FIRE MIKE ALDEN, HIRE ALANIS MORISSETTE

We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.

by jaeger on Apr 5, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES IT IS, CYRIL.

This is if O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby, and named it THIS EXACT SITUATION!

Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Wanneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 5, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

For the record, I spent most of Spring Break watching Season 1 of Archer.

Over and over and over again.

Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Wanneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's when the audience knows

what the characters don’t.

who woulda thought, it figgers.

by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 5, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question for Bill on the Miami stats at the top of the page.

I noticed that the last four years Miami has played at a faster pace and had higher points per shot and points per possession rates than the first three years under Haith yet averaged fewer points per minute. Are some of these numbers adjusted for opponents or is there something else?

by dmbxv8 on Apr 5, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

"you don't go to school to play basketball

you go to school and play basketball."

I like that.

(yeah, just now watching the presser)

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I have no facts to back this up.

I’m looking at our hire of Coach Haith and thinking ok what could have been the alternative. People have mentioned Marshall, Smart, Stevens, Alford, and Tubby Smith as possibles. Seeing the news Marshall, Smart, and Stevens pretty much either said I’m staying or are signing new contracts. Tubby Smith pretty much said no thanks and it appears that Alford isn’t all the interested in going anywhere. Is it possible that Alded did contact these guys and was turned down? Once turned down by the obvious he went off the beaten path to see who else fit his criteria. I am not downplaying Coach Haith because he may not have been at the the top of the list. I’m throwing that scenario out there. Maybe Alden did pursue the big guys but for one reason or another they said no. So should there still be anger about the hire in this case? Would people that are upset about the hire still feel the same way? (either way done is done and I’m all for Mizzou and Coach Haith)

"Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that's a very safe bet

For the life of me, though, I cannot think of why anyone at this point would want Tubby Smith over Frank Haith.

by CBonerfied on Apr 5, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

AGREE!

"Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I have nothing against the guy, but to me Haith is a clear choice over Tubby, because in the floor/ceiling discussion, we know exactly who Tubby is when not at Kentucky – 17-24 wins, will get you in the tournament about half the time or a little more… not something I’d be super excited about.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

so i just got done watching the presser

and when Frank is answering a question about recruiting he looks at the camera and says. We Need A Big Man,

I think this was directed to Otto Porter

by optiger on Apr 5, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

then Otto needs another sandwich

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

oh my goodness was that an entertaining thread to read through.

will pay $30 at any point for access to an mlb.tv season long account

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yay...finally have time to watch the presser

So far, I’m agreeing with you guys that I’m feeling increasingly good about HCFH as this goes on =)

by DC_Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I am, too!

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

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by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as the lower offensive rebounding stats

That makes sense to me considering the higher level of guard play. The team was making more shots and taking more threes. When you start making more shots, some players start to relax a little on the offensive glass, taking the made shots as a “given” in situations. In addition, missed threes often bounce farther off the rim, and if you have your guards standing farther back (to shoot threes/etc), they won’t be in position to get the long rebounds as well. At least, that’s how I’m reading the situation.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Enjoyed the presser

I do always feel sorry for coaches doing them, they never ever look comfortable but he did well enough. Said all the right things.

Feeling much much better about this now.

by MizKC on Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Only thing that he missed was the chant...

When the first M.I.Z went out he should of responded Z.O.U.

And I’m happy that he pronounces Missouri correctly, wish Alden would listen to him

I want a championship team in KC.

I'm a MU fan..And so is the guy in my picture in yellow w/his arms raised high while surrounded by all blue.

by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Apr 5, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll forgive him for that

it was kind of an awkward moment and I doubt it happens again.

by leeaustex on Apr 5, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just playing

I want a championship team in KC.

I'm a MU fan..And so is the guy in my picture in yellow w/his arms raised high while surrounded by all blue.

by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Apr 5, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

figured, but yeah I noticed that too and that would have been great had he belted out the Z-O-U

by leeaustex on Apr 5, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

So well-spoken.

And articulate

/newmeme!

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by BigMOman on Apr 5, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

NC State hires Mark Gottfried

People are saying Mizzou’s hire doesn’t look so bad now.

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by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Oof.

If that’s what’s out there, I’m ecstatic about Haith.

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by KeysMyaths on Apr 5, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

People need to get over the notion

That every coach at a successful mid-major team is going to jump at the chance to make a little more money to take over a reclamation project. Some mid-majors are increasingly able to offer competitive salaries, and there’s something to be said for being comfortable where you are. Plus, would you rather make a little bit less now but stay at your school for 20 years or take more now and possibly have your reputation in tatters after 3 or 4 years? Not everyone gets the chance that Frank Haith got.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right.

And that’s a pretty recent shift in the college basketball landscape. Mid-majors are more willing to pay coaches now, because they realize that they can be consistently successful on a national level. That hasn’t been the case for the most part in the past. Now it has to be not just the money, but the job has to be a desirable situation as well. In the case of NC State and Smart, I thought it was a bad job and given the extension he got, I would have stayed put too.

I personally think that’s a good thing for college basketball in 3 ways:
1) Mid-major coaches will stay where they are longer, which will give schools like Mizzou a better idea of who they really are when it comes time to make a hire.
2) If coaches stay where they are longer, it gives a better feeling of rivalry and history to the games. In a sport where the roster is going to automatically turn over every 4 years (basically), any sense of continuity there will give more meaning.
3) Shoddily run power conference programs will have a much harder time buying their way out of trouble. We saw that with Oregon and now NC State… they can’t just outspend the field and come away with the coach they want.

Of course, it may have played against us in this coaching search, but I think it’s a good thing overall for CBB.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 5, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, they don't have to compete with football.

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by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very impressed by the presser.

I’m excited to move on past coachapalooza and see what CFH does with the program. He’s got my support, 100%!

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by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Haven't we had enough

“mizzouexpansioncoachpinkelneedsaFBaldensuckscoachapalooza” discussions for one year?

I think so too

I want a championship team in KC.

I'm a MU fan..And so is the guy in my picture in yellow w/his arms raised high while surrounded by all blue.

by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Apr 5, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interestingly enough...

the definition of Haith is ‘surname’…now isn’t that just slick!

by Tobilas Latham on Apr 5, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

x

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by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just love rockmnation!

The best site ever…and fun with the dipshit falcon dude…So I never went to MU…didn’t have the money. But that is just insane…I was/am skeptical about Haith, however, after watching the press conference, alot of my questions were answered. That falcon dude better not have a mizzou degree! Hell I went to SIUC and I sure as the hell didn’t make any friends when I wore my Mizzou gear after we beat them by one in 03…even saw Bruce Weber walking through the student center…his look…PRICELESS!!! Just saying a true fan is there through thick and thin and it sounded like the only thing thick falcon had was a skull and willing to bet he has a THIN wallet!

by Tobilas Latham on Apr 5, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Recently observed:

Coach Haith being given a campus tour by Alden followed by a LARGE contingent of men in suits and the KOMU reporters. Quite the campus tour!

by A thru Zou on Apr 5, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

The Awakening

Realizing there were girls you had in class you didn’t realize were in there until the first warm day of the spring semester

by Team on Apr 5, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

As an engineer

There were no girls in my classes to speak of.

by DnrW on Apr 5, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's as bad as...

Living in Rolla, where there isn’t much to check out considering it’s big on engineering(formerly UMR…now Missouri S & T)

by Tobilas Latham on Apr 5, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had a few in my engineering classes, but unfortunately,

the ones I was attracted to were as aloof as they were rare.

by Babbalynski on Apr 6, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

the third day of warm weather in a row

means girls dress really nicely, just on that day.

beyond that everyone just gets lazy again.

by mrbrambles on Apr 5, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

men in suits?

Secret Service? Did you see snipers on the columns?

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Apr 5, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was Alden walking backwards like a good tour guide?

And I hope he mentions that the weather in Missouri can change in a second.
Obviously this is the only thing I remembered from my tour…

by HHKB Chris on Apr 5, 2011 2:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Vision of Alden walking backwards. Priceless.

"Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

by drewder on Apr 5, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

eating crow

I said I would eat crow if we actually hired Haith, I’m hear to do that.

http://www.rockmnation.com/2011/4/3/2089329/mizzou-curators-to-hold-special-meeting-at-7-45-pm-monday-will-vote#63086574

I’ve been converted and think things will actually come out alright in the end. Hopefully this hire means getting Otto Porter and having a successful enough upcoming season that Phil continues to stay at the university.

I’ll continue to donate to the TSF and plan on buying season tickets in basketball again this upcoming year.

by Monkeypox on Apr 5, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Do invite Andrew Zimmern when you feast on the crow

In seriousness, there is no shame in changing your mind on something. I like your spirit.

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by totalloser on Apr 5, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please. We'd been jerked around enough in this process that trusting a report seemed more dangerous than not trusting it.

We’ve all eaten crow.

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by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus,

I think 80 to 90 percent of us had very poor initial reactions to the hire…and a lot of us have found some level of silver lining to the situations. A lot of us still aren’t thrilled (yet), but we have to give Haith a chance before storming the castle.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You leave Aaron Crow alone!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

@CoachHaith

is now following me on twitter. That’s more than FCMA ever did.

I’m sold.

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by shmeremy on Apr 5, 2011 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Lucky!

How do I get him to follow me on Twitter?

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by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

all i got was

Fake Frank Haith….close, but yet so far

by jack.nowland on Apr 5, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Statistics be damned."

– Dave Matter

Take that, Bill!

The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.

by SleepyFloyd7 on Apr 5, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Way to use statistics for evil, Dave.

All this proves to me is that there isn’t much precedent with the Haith hire in Mizzou history. Spin it how you want, we have no clue what to expect until the team is out there, and trying to make this be a “let’s go against realistic assumptions and root anyway” situation is ridiculously inflammatory and unnecessary at this point in time.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will say this

as referenced above, Norm Stewart = 0 tourney wins when hired; Haith = 1 when hired. 1/0 = infinity, therefore Frank Haith is Norm Stewart to infinity.

(caveat: I can’t work numbers)

by jschooltiger on Apr 5, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

1/0 = undefined.

However, we can approximate this using limits.

The limit of 1/x as x→0 approaches infinity.

/Math minor
//Math or related subjects majors feel free to correct the mistakes I’ve probably made, as it’s been years since I’ve used anything other than basic math or a calculator.

by Babbalynski on Apr 6, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The piece Bernie wrote was much worse...

comparing Miami as a Big East team—when the Big East was way, way down—with Miami as an ACC team was pretty lazy and lame.

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by dcrockett17 on Apr 5, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And also misleading

He didn’t realize that the Big East had divisions for a few seasons and gave Hamilton’s finishes in Miami’s division, which of course looked much better (4th or so) than the overall conference finish (probably 7th or 8th) for those years.

by kmp59 on Apr 5, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two words: Ban Hammer

Also, again, welcome Mr. Haith!

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by ratherfantastic on Apr 5, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Just checking out the presser...

Like

  • adopt style to talent — lesson from Barnes (well, not so much the Barnes part)
  • nod to MA — sign of respect to current players as much as anything
  • gotta hit the ground running on recruiting (special mention of St. Louis—good politics)
  • EXCELLENT response to the “Miami” question. (It’s like no one’s ever heard of a re-build.)
  • appropriate homage to Norm

Don’t Like

  • at Miami “our bigs couldn’t score”
  • vague—even for a presser—on the staff
  • botched cliches, lame jokes :)

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by dcrockett17 on Apr 5, 2011 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

If a coach didn't have lame jokes, I'd be concerned.

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by ghtd36 on Apr 5, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding the staff

I doubt he would be willing to put out anything that wasn’t nailed down yet. He’s only had one day to get his staff together.

by tigerfan1 on Apr 5, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially considering the rumors swirling that we're trying to get Jeff Capel as an assistant

We had to get Haith signed before we could go after Capel (most likely), and isn’t it better to not speculate than to say something and then have it be wrong? Haith has learned something from all the Twitter rumors, and it’s to keep his mouth shut if something isn’t certain.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's he waiting for!

After all … Rome was built in a day!

by MizzouRah04 on Apr 5, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

UConn stinks and their fans are spoiled

Ignore the headline, which is the “nice” storyline, and notice why:

Houston, Rice students get to experience national championship

That was until Monday morning when an email went out to the Houston and Rice student body giving the first 300 email responders free tickets courtesy of the Connecticut athletic department.
“Well, we all were excited to have the Final Four in our town, but I didn’t think we would get to be at the game,” Johnson said. “This was awesome… [The crowd] was nuts early, but UConn ran away with it, so it died down.”
UConn’s fan section was nearly empty during Saturday’s national semifinal against Kentucky. Even though UConn was allotted 800 tickets for its fans, few other than families were able to make the trip to Houston. On Monday, the Huskies didn’t want the same lack of fanfare for what ended up being a 53-41 win over Butler for the Huskies’ first national championship since 2004 and third since 1999.

Can you imagine Mizzou fans anywhere near that jaded??

I noticed this at the game in D.C. I barely noticed UConn fans at all.

by Mac6uffin on Apr 5, 2011 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like a Kansas football game

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by Gaknar on Apr 5, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

other than the “National Championship” part.

by MU'97 on Apr 5, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what the reasons are for this?

I mean, it’s easy to say they’re jaded or bad fans or whatnot, but I feel there’s something deeper…they apparently traveled very poorly to their BCS bowl game in football, too (although that game was expected to be and ended up being a one-sided affair). Have they still not gotten used to being a great basketball team (even though they’ve been that way for about 10-15 years now)? I do think it could be because the fans simply took it as a given or something of the like, but I’m just not sure if it’s that easy. It definitely should be a concern for the UConn athletic department, though, ’cause that could eventually hurt their reputation/hurt their revenue.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they're all Yankees fans

I can’t believe UConn won another Natl. Championship. Their “fans” don’t even care!

by Mac6uffin on Apr 5, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

They care more about women's basketball

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by lost..in the woods on May 2, 2011 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry i'm really late to this thread but

first of all, really good post, i learned a lot. a few things:

- re: the whole big man thing, obviously skilled big men are in short supply in basketball. everyone can pretty much find tall guys, but ones that can do things on offense are still pretty rare. rarer even for a program like miami, so even for a good recruiter like frank, that probably plays into why you’d have a guard heavy, three point shooting team. (but lots of schools are like this, i.e. duke and kentucky and uconn were just a few teams that shot a lot from the perimeter this year). that said, like i’ve mentioned a few times, miami’s center this past year (reggie johnson) was one of the three best players in the conference if you go by hollinger’s college PER or ken pom’s individual offensive efficiency numbers. and he was a guy that was very, very lightly recruited.

- the rebounding numbers were low this year, as i mentioned also in that other comment, because there was an injury and a transfer in the frontcourt. in terms of the last three years, you had an attrition of big players (most notably current saints tight end jimmy graham) that mean the frontcourt was young and thin. frank played a ton of 2-3 zone in the past few years because we just didn’t always have two guys on the floor that could guard a center and power forward man-to-man. hopefully things will be easier for him at mizzou and he can have a legitimate frontline to play with.

- i realize that with this hire most people have no idea whether frank is a good or bad coach or if he will be a good or bad coach in the future so it’s natural to look for benchmarks to point at and go “he succeeded here” or “he failed here”. that said, i hope people don’t put too much stock in the otto porter recruitment, because frank will be going up against a few schools whose staffs have been recruiting him for years, and that’s a really long gap to try and close. it would obviously be a huge get for frank, but i wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t happen.

by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Apr 5, 2011 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

oh yeah also!

- miami has a 2012 commitment from a four star center who has been committed to the program since 09, so frank did have someone waiting in the wings. (unfortunately for y’all he’s reiterated that he plans on coming to miami). also this past year we got a transfer from univ of florda named kenny kadji but he obv had to sit out this past season, but i frank can reel in big guys i think

by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Apr 5, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for the info!

We’re still holding out hope for Otto Porter because our program was recruiting him while Anderson was here…that being said, I definitely will understand if he doesn’t want to come to a program in flux right now, especially when he other choices are Kansas and Georgetown.

Be sure to keep popping in and giving us your insight…most of us have very little first hand knowledge of Coach Haith’s teams, so anything we can get is very much appreciated.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here here!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 5, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

your presence here

has been much appreciated the last couple days (at least by me). thanks for your insight into frank’s tendencies and characteristics. it’s been very enlightening.

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by threadkiller on Apr 5, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frank Haith is now following you on Twitter!
Frank Haith (@CoachHaith) is now following your tweets

I are awesome.

by Mac6uffin on Apr 5, 2011 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

he’s really fun on twitter

by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Apr 5, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

sniff

he’s not following me.

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by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me neither. :(

Can we make it the new RMN goal to get CFH to follow sos on Twitter?

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by sirensofsilence on Apr 5, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I have like 12 followers.

Of course I mainly use my twitter as a memo device to remember what I’ve tasted at beer festivals. . .

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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm always thinkin'

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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts from the Miami perspective

I’m currently a grad student at Miami, and enrolled as undergrad in 2003. I also worked at the Bank United Center from 2003-2007, so I have gotten to see Haith’s work down here up close and personal. A few thoughts on Haith and the program:

- He is not a bad coach, but not a great one either. I would classify him as quite average. The team loves him and they stay out of trouble, but we have sorely been lacking in player development. Moreover, the Canes have always had major issues with executing down the stretch during his tenure. Examples include constant blown leads (see our lost 19-point lead in the 2nd half against UNC in the ACC tourney); ineptitude handling the press (see the NIT game against Alabama); and the team’s overall tendency to resort to a reckless “pickup style” at the worst possible time (see his entire career). Now, he does do a good job at putting his guards in a position to succeed, and knows how dial up some open nice three-point shots. But as far as an Xs and Os guy, he unquestionably has been mediocre at best.

- He recruited some very solid guards here but couldn’t land (or develop) big men. Even Anthony King, arguably our best center over his tenure, was recruited by our previous coach Perry Clark. F Daequan Jones was a 4 or 5 star but has not developed under his watch. G Durand Scott regressed last year. His biggest recruiting feats have been transfer players, such as Jack McClinton (All-ACC) and Malcom Grant (All-ACC Honorable Mention). For Miami basketball, his recruiting met expectations but probably did not exceed them. That said, given the elevated stature of your basketball program, I do think Haith will do well recruiting there.

- Miami basketball is not Duke, it’s not UNC, but it certainly is not a “wasteland” or the worst major-conference job in the country. I have seen the BUC packed plenty of times, but the problem is the Hurricane fanbase needs something to be excited about to show up. Part of this is the overall “bandwagon” nature of the South Florida fanbase, but they DO show up for BIG games or when their teams are winning (look at the Marlins in the World Series, the Canes vs. FSU in football, the Heat games against the Lakers, Celtics, etc.) Over the past few years, the Miami basketball team has underperformed and generated very little buzz, thus attendance has suffered. A few years ago when he had Guillerimo Diaz, Jack McClinton, etc. and were moderately succesful in the ACC we at least sold out some of our ACC games. I actually believe we beat Duke and mobbed the Court at one point.

- Now attendance isn’t (and never will be) great, but that in itself is not an excuse for losing games. The facilities are pretty nice: brand new practice facility (Lebron, Chris Bosh, Mike Miller, etc. work out there), BUC is only 8-9 years old and is a nice, cozy building. The University is the best academic school in Florida. The weather, beautiful campus, private-school atmosphere, proximity to South Beach, and all the other perks the city n school offer should makeup for the somewhat apathetic mindset the fanbase has towards the program. I am convinced that if we put together a 2-3 year of consistent tourney runs we could have landed a few elite recruits. With all that said, I shudder a little bit when I hear your AD say that Frank “didn’t have the tools” to win here. Like I said, we will never be elite, but we definitely could have been much better than we were during Haith’s tenure.

by Uknowit2309 on Apr 5, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for weighing in!

I understand your frustration with hearing your school get trashed by people who (for the most part) only have second hand knowledge. Obviously, our AD has to sell the hire, and if there’s even a small discrepancy between the schools in an aspect, our AD will probably play it up, both to justify his choice AND to fire up the fanbase.

We here at Mizzou are hoping that maybe we can get some assistant coaches who will be able to compensate for Haith’s deficiencies…do you know anything about the assistants he had in Miami? They don’t generally get a lot of press, but the assistant coaches can be (at times) just as important as the head guy, so was just wondering if you guys could give us some info on that aspect of things.

Also, good luck with your coaching search. As a Tiger fan, I hope you guys are able to get Frank Martin from K-State…that would weaken one of our opponents while giving you guys a coach who has a lot of fire and can turn around a program, as long as you can deal with just how intense he is.

by walrusgod on Apr 5, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks walrus

To be honest I know very little about his assistants down here. I do know that one of them, Jorge Fernandez, was supposed to be a pretty solid Xs and Os guy and also a decent recruiter. Apparently we are losing one of our recruits (SG Chris Bolden) if Fernandez isn’t back. I also remember seeing a lot of the same faces on the sideline over the years, leading to the conclusion that there was very little turnover. I guess that’s good in the sense that his staff enjoys working for him, but it also means they weren’t getting better job offers elsewhere. I hope we can pull Frank Martin, but unfortunately don’t see it happening. I just don’t know if our athletic dep’t can pony up the $$$ to match what KSU is willing to pay. Hopefully we can and force Coach Martin to make a tough decision. Best of luck with Coach Haith next year, I certainly wish him and your program all the best.

by Uknowit2309 on Apr 5, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

not to be captain save a haith BUT

after watching what haith did with reggie johnson, i really resent the notion that he never developed a big man. he took a guy whose only other major offer was VCU and turned in him in two years into one of the two best big men in the conference. reggie dominated highly recruited guys like the plumlees and john henson this year. developing big men is not easy— just ask coach k, who is now on a run of disappointments like shavlik randolph, josh mcroberts, the plumlees— and frank has a pretty glaring example of development.

also executing down the stretch is relative. they’ve been bad recently and it’s been extremely frustrating, but the team is really young. when we had jack mcclinton, we executed pretty damn well down the stretch (i.e. frank always ran plays to get him open)

lastly check durand’s shooting percentages, in no way did he regress.

(but really we could take this debate to the seventh floor where i’ve written like 3k words about UM bball w/o a comment!)

by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Apr 5, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

raray wudup man I will def check out the 7th floor blog. I am not into bball enough to really study stats too much but I definitely thought Durand Scott regressed this year. He did not look nearly as comfortable running the offense as he did last year, often jacked up ill-advised perimeter shots; at times he seemed to just recklessly drive the lane and throw up a crazy layup out of frustration. On Canesport (Miami rivals site), the consensus has been that he definitely took a step back, and that Malcom Grant had a much better season and was the MVP of the team. Reggie had his moments, but the big guy seemed like he was always in foul trouble and lost his cool at times (like when he threw that dude in the GT game). That said, I am very excited about his development and expect big things from him next year. I do hear what you are saying about the team executing better when Jack was here; I wasn’t enrolled at the U in 2007-2008 and didn’t attend many games. But as I mentioned, I know we enjoyed moderate success then and actually sold out some games (believe it or not!)

by Uknowit2309 on Apr 5, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I missed this thread today.

What truth is there to the rumor that Bill and ghtd killed a guy?

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by RPT on Apr 5, 2011 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

They shot a man

just to watch him die.

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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

When they heard the train a'coming...

Did they post GiFs of people hanging their heads and crying?

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by RPT on Apr 5, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was so.

Many, many, many gifs of people hanging their heads and cry. Immediately preceded by the whistle blowin’.

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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

^crying.

bah.

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

truff'd

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 5, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It, apparently happened in Reno.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 5, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only did they kill a guy...

…they had to kill him multiple times. But we were all appreciative.

by DC_Tiger on Apr 5, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Supposedly not

but a great name to the area potentially.

Advocating for the "Spreadbone" since 2010
Rock M Nation

by The Beef on Apr 5, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carrawell

from StL, add Peeler from KC and ??? (Capel?) that’d be alright.

/uninformedSchmoeOpinion

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This would be the uninformed part :)

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHAAATTTT??
I asked Pinkel if we indeed saw a fullback at #Mizzou practice today. His answer on the blog in a bit

From Dave Matter

by jack.nowland on Apr 5, 2011 6:20 PM CDT reply actions  

RAWWR

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 5, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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