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Frank Haith: What Happens Now?

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So I'd say we've done all the immediate analysis we can on the Frank Haith hire.  Now it's time to see how this all plays out. The next few months will provide quite a few opportunities for Haith to build some goodwill and optimism; I won't start actually worrying about his tenure until well into his first season, but he can help himself out by doing well with some upcoming deadlines.

Let's roll through some questions...

Who Ends Up on Haith's Coaching Staff?

This is still the first order of business.  We've heard plenty of rumors about Jeff Capel and random folks from the Missouri area, but nothing is official yet (though it does appear that Capel was nothing but a rumor and almost certainly won't come here).  Who does Haith bring along from his Miami staff?  How much does he try to cater to locals by either bringing in a local coach or taking a chance on a former Mizzou player like Anthony Peeler?  Are the Chris Carrawell rumors legitimate (and if so, as Gabe Dearmond mentioned yesterday, how does Carrawell deal with the "So you were too good to play for Missouri, but you think it's alright for my son?" issue)?  Clearly this is the first area in which we should soon have news.

When We'll Know Something: soon ... I'm thinking early next week at the latest.

Who Does Haith Sign for the 2011 Recruiting Class?

College basketball's spring period for signing letters of intent begins next Wednesday and extends to May 18.  Technically you can continue to bring in players after the period ends (Linas Kleiza never signed an LOI -- he just signed a scholarship agreement well after mid-May, and he was set), but it's pretty safe to say we'll know by mid-May just how many 2011 scholarships Haith plans to use and how many he will bank.  He will have up to three available to him.

I'm curious how Haith will choose to use this spring signing period.  Clearly Otto Porter is the No. 1 target, but even if he lands Porter, I'm not sure what he does with the other two scholarships.  As I've mentioned before, Haith did not target JUCOs much at Miami -- a quick perusal of Miami's offer lists on Rivals suggests that less than five of the 69 players receiving offers in the last three classes were JUCO players.  The last time Mizzou encountered a coaching change, Mike Anderson quickly attempted to shore up the roster with a couple of JUCOs, Stefhon Hannah and Darryl Butterfield.  Does Haith attempt to find a stopgap or two, or is he confident enough in the returning roster to swallow one or two scholarships for an even larger class of 2012?

Really, though, in terms of opportunities for good will, landing Otto Porter is Major Opportunity No. 1.  Haith is fighting a somewhat uphill battle -- Kansas and Georgetown have both been after him for quite a while, and Haith just walked in the door -- but Mizzou still has a pretty good chance to land the alleged homebody.  I think Porter will give Haith every chance in the world to impress him because I think Mizzou has always been his No. 1 choice ... but whether we want to admit it or not, playing for Bill Self (or John Thompson III) is still a draw, and Mizzou fans should at least prepare themselves for the thought that Porter could become a Jayhawk or a Hoya.

Star-divide

Beyond Porter, there are a few uncommitted (or committed to Miami) players who had Miami offers according to Rivals:

SG Bishop Daniels (6'2, 175, Raleigh, NC).  Daniels committed to Miami last October, saying "This commitment was really based on me and coach Haith and the assistant coach's relationship-wise."  He signed an LOI with Miami, so it would be at least a little bit trickier getting him here if he wanted to follow Haith.  We'll see.

SG Chris Colvin (6'3, Chicago, IL).  A former four-star recruit from Chicago, Colvin was last seen missing a ton of shots and contributing very little for Iowa State in 2009-10.  He has quite a few offers after a year at Palm Beach C.C. that saw him barely miss anything (54% on 3-pointers, 55% overall).  I was thoroughly unimpressed with Colvin when he was at ISU, but maybe that was just the Greg McDermott effect.

C Yvan Ngirabakunzi (6'10, 195, Piney Woods, MS).  Yvan committed to Miami a long time ago, then decided he committed too quickly and reopened his recruitment.  He only lists Miami as an offer, and Rivals hasn't written about him since November, so who knows where this guy stands at the moment.

F Braeden Anderson (6'8, 225, Wilbraham and Monson Academy).  It appears the odds are good that Mizzou gets a visit from Anderson in the coming weeks.  Haith was recruiting Anderson at Miami, and the prep star appears to have Memphis and Mizzou atop his list for now.

Beyond these four?  Who knows.  But we'll probably begin hearing rumors of visits and offers in the next week or two.

When We'll Know Something: Give it another week and a half to two weeks.  Porter will visit soon, and we'll get a decent idea of who else Haith is approaching.

How Many Presseys Are on the Roster Next Year?

Technically, you can decide to transfer at any time.  As Larry Drew II proved, you can do it in the middle of conference play if you want.  But I think the most likely time to announce a transfer would be sometime between now and the end of the spring semester, which is, I believe, May 13.  We really don't know how interested Phil or Matt Pressey (if Matt is even eligible for a transfer ... I'm still unclear about that) is in transferring; we've just been making assumptions.  They're saying all the right things right now.

Honestly, I know this is the kiss of death, but I'm feeling pretty good about this one.  (My opinion is worth less than nothing, of course; I previewed eleventy billion coaches, and Haith wasn't one of them ... I previewed half the country as a potential NCAA Tournament opponent for Mizzou, and Cincinnati wasn't one of the teams I considered.)  If Matt can't transfer and maintain eligibility, then obviously he stays ... and if that's the case, then I think Flip stays for next season.  If next season goes poorly, maybe he transfers after that ... who knows ... but I feel decent about his chances of being on next year's squad.  If he does transfer, then life goes on.

When We'll Know Something: I'll say early-May.

Do Those Testing the Waters Return?

The deadline for removing your name from NBA Draft consideration is May 8.  Right now, Kim English and Laurence Bowers have thrown their names into the hopper, and the rumor was that Ricardo Ratliffe would do the same.  Marcus Denmon might as well.  I expect all four to end up in Mizzou uniforms next year until I hear otherwise, but as mentioned before ... there is something of a tradition of Mizzou players making an unexpected leap to the pros following a coaching change -- Albert White in 1999, Thomas Gardner in 2006.  Just from a tools/athleticism perspective, I think Bowers is the most likely to stay declared ... but he still isn't very likely.

When We'll Know Something: Probably early-May as well.

How and When Does the 2012 Recruiting Class Begin Taking Shape?

Early signing period begins on November 9, so Haith obviously has a while on this one.  I think there are two spans of time that will be very interesting: July and September.  AAU kicks up in June, I believe, and with as many scholarships as Haith will have to give, I would be quite surprised if Mizzou starts August with zero commitments.  In September, the official visits kick in with full force, and I assume a majority of the fall commits will roll in between mid-September and mid-October.

When We'll Know Something: I guess I already answered this one, eh? We'll probably have a very good idea of who Mizzou is targeting by June, and there will probably be at least one commitment on the board by the end of July.

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If everything goes right, we look like we'll contend nationally next year...

If everything goes wrong, it looks like we won’t even make the NIT. Thank goodness there won’t be any down time, I was worried that the month after the season ended wouldn’t be filled with anxious awaiting.

Pardon The Distraction

"I like to think of myself as Miguel Paul. Generally disappointing and a waste of space, but every once in a while, WOW."- ghtd36

by CEW on Apr 7, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I would think.

If everyone returns there is no reason to believe we shouldn’t make the NCAA tourny. In alot of ways if both Bowers and Ratliffe left we would be a worse off than if the Presseys left.

"Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

by drewder on Apr 7, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I think if everyone comes back, we have a good chance at seeing the second week of the tourney.

Pardon The Distraction

"I like to think of myself as Miguel Paul. Generally disappointing and a waste of space, but every once in a while, WOW."- ghtd36

by CEW on Apr 7, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Party Starter better not leave

or I will fully lose my mind.

I really ought to stop living vicariously through Mizzou athletics haha

We are going to listen to Waylon now so everybody stfu and drink your beer.

by miz_zou on Apr 7, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

So, have we actually heard anything about the Presseys/Bowers/Ratliffe?

Want to make sure I’m not missing something. What are the chances of them leaving?

Twitter: KeysMyaths

by KeysMyaths on Apr 7, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Did you read this article?

or are you making a joke?

Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.

by Andy--01 on Apr 7, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did.

And no, not a joke. I was more curious as to speculation on the actual chances. The facts are great. I want more baseless guessing, since that gets me through the day.

Twitter: KeysMyaths

by KeysMyaths on Apr 7, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Baseless guessing and, uh, baseful guessing are basically the same right now: they’re probably coming back.

by Bill C. on Apr 7, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

On coaches...

Gabe mentioned:

Tim Fuller (L’ville): Fuller worked with Haith at Elon (as a GA iirc). Since then he worked extensively with Nike before getting on with Pitino at the Ville. The Nike background says to me that the guy is seriously tapped into the AAU world. He would most likely be the recruiter.

Jerry Wainwright (former DePaul HC): Wainwright coached those miserable DePaul teams of the past several years. He’s been around forever, a bit like former UNCC coach Bill Guthridge—just not cut out to be a HC but a Yoda-type assistant who has seen absolutely everything. A PM commenter said he has some serious health issues. I don’t know how accurate that is, but Wainwright looks like a decades-long chain-smoker. He’s an almost translucent blue.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 7, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Thank you for that....

I will now have those images of Wainwright in those god-awful Hawaiian shirts stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

by JAThomp33 on Apr 7, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuller would be an awesome hire

Supposedly developing into Louisville’s recruiting ace. He used to work under Haith at Miami and played at Wake when Haith was an assistant.

by deezle on Apr 7, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry Wainwright and Yoda -- twins separated at birth?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 7, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty close resemblance!!

Double Bully Rec’!

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Carrawell

Seems like he would have any easy answer to the “why not Mizzou for you” question….“if Haith had been here it would have been.”

by mpfische on Apr 7, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I would think an easy answer was

“uh.. I got an offer from Duke.”

Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.

by Andy--01 on Apr 7, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braeden Anderson

In some quick searches, it looks like kU, Kentucky, and Arizona are after him now. He had committed to DePaul, but asked out of his LOI and Kentucky sounds like a likely destination. However, I’m not sure who recruited him at DePaul – if it was Wainwright, that might give us an edge.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 7, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

According to ESPN.com

Anderson has committed to the Jayhawks, as of sometime this April.

by parliamentlite on Apr 10, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yvan Ngirabakunzi

In all seriousness….how is it possible to be 6’10" and weigh 195lbs? How does that man have the energy to brush his teeth?

by mpfische on Apr 7, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't Jarvis Varnado like 6'10", 195 when he came to campus too?

Not saying Yvan is Jarvis Varnado… but Varnado was berry, berry good.

Yvan Ngirabakunzi – It’s ironic that such a russian-gangster sounding name is a tall black basketball player.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 7, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wikipedia (king of "sources")

Has Varnado as 6’9" and 220 lbs.

6’10" 195 lbs does sound amazingly Shawn Bradley-esque.

by walrusgod on Apr 7, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Methinks he has some filling out to do.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 7, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he is now...

Looking at his NBA draft profile it said he was 6’9", 195 when he came to campus… and while his bio listed him at 220 his senior year, he was listed at 210 his sophomore and junior years.

Anyway, no matter. Varnado was rail-thin too, even at 210 or 220 or whatever he was.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 7, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could be Cuban.

Russian names are very popular in Cuba, and families with Cuban ties.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I've gathered from a quick Google search of "Ngirabakunzi"

His family can possibly trace itself back to Rwanda or Uganda…I’ve found links to prominent people with that name involved with both countries. As for Yvan…it is possible his parents didn’t want to give him a name that would be difficult for southern white folks to pronounce. It would definitely put him in the running for “best name on the team” if he decided to follow Haith to Mizzou, though. Possibly even “best name in conference.”

by walrusgod on Apr 7, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's

Matt Pressey’s fault his name is so hard to prononce

by leeaustex on Apr 7, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about the dozen or so announcers

who called Ratliffe “Radcliffe” this year? I wanted to punch them… especially Hubert Davis and Jay Williams.

BTW… my other pet peeve was Jon Sunvold when Nick Berardini was on the team. The fans would start chanting “Ber-ar-di-ni” and Sunvold would say something like “and the fans want to see Nick ‘Berundini’ come in the game”. Really, Jon? There’s 15,000 people chanting his name and you still can’t pronounce it right? Weak. I don’t think he got it right once in Nick’s 4 years.

by u2nspenserfan on Apr 7, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

He probably brushes his teeth with ice cream sandwiches for energy...

and their great plaque fighting capabilities, but mostly energy.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm jealous of anyone who brushes their teeth with ice cream sandwiches.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

by Kpz1234 on Apr 7, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN

Has him listed as 6’9" 205 and committed Florida International. First, I’ve seen of that. Rivals doesn’t have him listed as being committed. If that height and weight are closer to the truth, then he isn’t as rail thin as I thought. Bowers is 6’8" 210. He was listed at 6’7" 180 when he committed.

by CoeMoe on Apr 7, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that earlier

But then noticed that ESPN/Scouts didn’t have any news on him since 2009. I’m thinking that information is outdated, but I don’t know for sure. It could make since that he grew an inch over the past year or two, but not sure why he would have also lost 10 pounds…the kid probably needs to gain weight, if anything.

by walrusgod on Apr 7, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

they named a store Jock's Nitch?

No wonder everybody hates that town.

Some people say "hate" is a strong word. If you're talking about kansas, it's not strong enough.

by shmeremy on Apr 7, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Believe it or not, it's a chain

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 7, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do great Kansas players ever come to Missouri?

We lose great players to KU (& other schools of course) frequently it seems. It would be nice to see the opposite occur. I’m really frustrated with seeing great players come out of Missouri and they don’t even seriously consider Mizzou as a destination to play b-ball. Maybe Haith can change that.

by MIZ___ on Apr 8, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

We don't really have any great players.

Between Wayne Simien and Perry Ellis/Willie Cauley, there’s been a whole vast nothing.

For perspective, Will Spradling and Nino Williams were the best we could do. Think you can find anything better? Knock yourselves out.

by BracketCat on Apr 8, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

KS isn't a machine poppin out D1 prospects??

Seriously though, there have been some recent KCK kids to go D1 outside of KS. Off top of my head, there is Trevor Relaford down in Alabama, and I want to say there was a kid or two on Murray State, but yeah, slim pickens.

by MizzouSteve on Apr 8, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like BracketCat said

KS isn’t exactly a hotbed of recruiting for either FB or BB. That’s not to say that there aren’t good players coming out of there, you have your rare gem in any area of the country.

Missouri’s population is about double that of Kansas. Figure that the rate of highly talented athletes increases in more populated areas due to the amount of facilities and coaching available. Missouri has 2 metropolitan areas to Kansas’ one, plus Columbia/JC and Springfield. Topeka is about the equivalent of Columbia and Springfield is larger than Wichita (which is Kansas’ most populous city. Figuring that, you’re going to just have say, double the number of high-level recruits coming out of Missouri than Kansas. And, Missouri isn’t a hotbed for recruiting like Illinois, Texas, FL, Ohio and Cali are.

Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.

by Andy--01 on Apr 8, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

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