Rock M Roundtable!
by Bill C. on May 18, 2011 4:00 PM CDT
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1 - As Mizzou Softball embarks on a quest for their third consecutive Women's College World Series berth, here's a question of degrees: would you rather a) the softball team (or any other minor sport, really) win a national title, b) the football team make the BCS title game but get smoked, or c) the basketball team make the Final Four but get smoked? Obviously we tend to care more about football or basketball, but ... how much more? And hungry are we for a national title of any form?
2 - You have the ability to rewind time and have any Mizzou (or, for Doug, Kansas) team retry a play. Which one would you choose (i.e. Kicked ball, 5th down, UCLA play)? ("Retry" is not the same as "definitely succeed.")
3 - The NBA has decided to grant either KC or StL a franchise. Who should get the bball team, and what would the name be of said team?
4 - Community creator Dan Harmon had a wonderful idea last week for the whole network pilot process:
If there was one thing you could change about how network shows are made, what would it be?
I would air all of the pilots. You know? Or put them on the web or something. At the risk of offending the people who are most in charge of whether I ever work again, it seems a little antiquated that in a world where everyone can watch anything all the time, we spend all this money making all of these shitty pilots and throwing them all at the wall and seeing which stick. It seems weird that we don't just make it part of the fun of network television, to have festivals or special website events, or even on-air marathons or something, where the audience [gets to see them]. They like to vote for their favorite singers, wouldn't they like to vote for their favorite show?
Tell me why this wouldn't work.
The Beef: 1 - The money is with football, and football makes the entire department work, so I’d have to choose football. I’d love a national title in softball or wrestling or the like, but in the end, it wont register much of a blip. Having been to a Final Four as an attendee, it seems like Saturday is amazing, and I don’t know that I would be terribly upset at a loss (not nearly as much as I would be if we won Saturday, but lost Monday). But the BCS champ game, even with the poor finish, would bring just so much additional exposure and money to the school (in athletics and otherwise) that you have to take it for the benefit of everything else.
2 - As strange as this sounds, and as strange as the kicked ball (the only one I saw in person of the above list) play went about molding me as a fan, I don’t know that I would change it. The reason is…if that play is changed, I don’t think we end up with Gary Pinkel. I think enough things fall into place after winning that game that it could have extended Larry Smith’s time out just enough that perhaps Pinkel is not an option for us. Don’t get me wrong (and for as much as I loved Larry), I still see our program going wrong and doing so quickly around the turn of the millennium as it did, but for where we have gone since then is more important to me than winning that game would have been.
In the end, give me the someone playing some defense against Edney. If that play does not happen, maybe we make a little run that year…maybe we don’t…but I don’t see that play changing too much about how basketball would go for the coming years (especially since it would not likely stop Kelly Thames from hurting his knee).
3 - Should either city really get a team since both had them and failed? I bristle at any KC vs. STL question on a Mizzou website just because I always see what it does to what I consider to be the not as desirable part of our fan base. But, to answer it…it is strange, since St. Louis is definitely more of a "pro" type of town than KC is, but KC is much more about basketball than STL is. Give it to KC and call them…eh…I don’t really care.
4 - Might make selling commercials tough when airing them all…but it seems like a perfectly decent idea which will never happen.
Bill C.: 1. You thought a lot more rationally (i.e. fiscally) about that one than I did ... I was just looking at things from which one would register the biggest "holy crap, this is awesome" impact. And yet I came up with the same answer: football.
2. Actually, I'd go with this one:
M 1-10 O25 10-Daniel, Chase sacked for loss of 10 yards to the OU35 (44-Beal, Jeremy).
Mizzou and Oklahoma were tied in the third quarter of the 2007 Big 12 title game. Mizzou had forced a punt to start the second half and had driven to the OU 25 before Beal tripped up a scrambling Daniel. Mizzou committed a substitution infraction, then Beal got Daniel again, then Lofton got Daniel, and it was all downhill quickly. But even though there are pretty good odds that OU goes ahead and wins this game without that sack, I'd love to back and try it all again from this moment.
Runner-up: Whatever play specifically got Chase Coffman hurt enough that he missed this game.
3. Yeah, I got scared as soon as I asked this question, considering how much we try to avoid KC-StL pissing matches. So I'll just say Oklahoma City.
4. With Hulu (and automatic ads that run before you can play something you want to play), I have no idea why this wouldn't work for at least the networks affiliated with Hulu (NBC and Fox, right?). That confirms that it will never happen, but still ... I cannot figure out why it wouldn't.
ZouDave: 1 – Selfishly I’d rather have the football team get to the BCS title game but get smoked. I don’t think there’s any shame in making it all the way to the National Title game (which typically means AT WORST you’ve lost 1 game, probably to a really good team) and then getting beaten down. Maybe it just wasn’t your day, maybe the other team was a special kind of talent. Most people don’t look at a team that lost the national title game by 30 as "Well, they’re done. No coming back from this." Same feeling on the Final Four. I’m a sucker for the big 2 sports, so…sorry, softball, if it’s up to me you’d be third. But, hey, they’re there and the other 2 aren’t so GO SOFTBALL TEAM! WOO!
2 – My top 5, in order:
1) Tyus Edney play
2) 5th down play
3) 4th down against KSU in 1998 where Dausman dropped a would-be game-winning TD to beat #1 KSU
4) The play before the attempted FG at the end of the 2008 football game against ku
5) The play in (I think) 2002 against ku in basketball where we let Heinrich hit a 40’ three-pointer to take the lead right at the end of the game, keeping ku undefeated in conference play
3 – KC should get it (it’s more of a basketball town, plus we don’t have a 3rd sport already and STL does). The name should be something referencing our BBQ history, but I’m not creative enough right now to come up with anything.
4 – Meh.
The Beef: No staff meeting today?
ZouDave: Newp, but I did get here about 20 minutes late because there were 3 accidents on my route to work (and my route to work is only 12 miles long).
The Beef: So you could call your new NBA team the KC Suck-at-driving’s….it could work….
ZouDave: Wouldn’t be terribly inaccurate, but KC drivers have nothing on Springfield drivers. I’m scared every time I have to drive in that city. Those people use the turn lanes as freaking merge lanes. It’s terrifying.
Bill C.: What about the K.C. Masterpiece?
ZouDave: You know, that’s not awful…but the problem is KC Masterpiece is such 2nd-rate BBQ in this town that I’d hate to give them that much more advertising and continue the idea that KC Masterpiece is the best we have to offer. It’s not Top 5, and probably not even Top 10.
But that’s definitely on the right track. I doubt KC Smokers would be well-received. KC Ribs? KC Strips? KC Fatty Fat Fatties?
The Beef: I imagine the KC Okie Joe’s would be too confusing….
Bill C.: Yeah, I'm not even a fan of Masterpiece, but it certainly works better than the KC Joe's or the KC Bryant's...or the KC Gates Is Overrateds...
The Beef: Just so I am clear…in the same Roundtable we are going to discuss KC vs. STL and KC BBQ preferences?
….this should end well
ZouDave: "Coming to you live from KANSAS City, MISSOURI, it’s the OKLAHOMA Joe’s."
My head hurts. And now I want a Z-Man with crack fries.
The Beef: I hate you so much right now
Bill C.: Ha HA! Perfect! The Kansas City Z-Men!
ZouDave:
ZouDave:
Doug: 1 - I'll let this one sail on past.
2 - Michael Lee's three pointer against Syracuse in 2003.
3 - That's a tough one, because either city is fairly close to an existing NBA franchise, but I think the basketball tradition in Kansas City (collegiate, but still) makes KC the better choice. Of course the name is a very obvious: Sporting KC.
4 - I think Harmon is really on to something, especially in today's age when everyone knows what pilots are in development for every network. This year I would love to see the 17th Precinct, but no surprise, NBC didn't pick it up. In previous years it would have been cool to see Babylon Fields from CBS and any number of other shows the networks didn't think would reach a wide enough audience. Fox was rather brilliant launching the Glee pilot after American Idol in the spring before the series actually debuted to really build momentum for the series, and I think Harmon's idea could do much the same for any number of shows; especially the more serialized dramas that require viewer commitment from day one.
ZouDave: One of my closest friends is, unfortunately, a die-hard beak. He SWEARS to this day that Michael Lee’s three was going in. He says you can tell, says it looks good right off of his hand. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, IT’S NOT LIKE WARRICK BLOCKED IT WHEN THE SHOT WAS AT ITS APEX!!! IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 4 INCHES OUT OF HIS HANDS! IT WAS JUST AS LIKELY AN AIRBALL AS IT WAS A SWISH!
But yeah, I could definitely see how you’d want another shot at that shot. Shot.
Michael Atchison: I'm at an elementary school science fair, trying to do this on my phone. I'll give two brief answers.
If I could change a play, I'd go to late in the second half of Mizzou's elite eight game against Michigan in 1976 and erase the moment when Kim Anderson gets a very questionable technical foul for grabbing the rim. The result is that the Tigers go to the final four where they beat Rutgers before facing undefeated Indiana in the title game.
I don't think either city is getting the NBA any time soon, and St. Louis is less likely because of the Blues, so I'll go with the Kansas City Monarchs.
Sent from my iPhone
ZouDave: KC Monarchs is certainly good, but what does that have to do with BBQ?
SleepyFloyd7: 1 - Football. It's the biggest stage, and would be a 40-day commercial for Mizzou.
2 - I was thinking it might be the throw that Chase made to Denario against Oklahoma State in 2008. The ball bounced off DA's head and was intercepted (one of the major turning points in that game). Mizzou was ranked #3/2 that week, and was on a ROLL after steamrolling Nebraska in Lincoln the week before. I think if we win that game, the game at Texas the following week wouldn't have been as one-sided, and the Tigers maintain their swagger all season.
For basketball (just because I was there and it would have been a whole lot of fun), Kimmie - please let that ball go out of bounds against Georgetown....
3 - KC - but there will be a problem with both Sprint Center and Kemper, and they will have to play their games at AFH as the Larry Kings.
4 - The thing about pilots, though - they almost never have the timing, chemistry, or character development that makes great TV shows great. I love Community, but the pilot (for me) was meh. The flip-side, of course is that it is a shame that some of these shows never see the light of day, and the Web was made for that kind of thing.
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That's where this thing ended? Really?
I hope the readers can salvage this dog.
by Michael Atchison on May 18, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
In the end, whether this truly gets salvaged or not...
remains to be seen…you know?
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by SleepyFloyd7 on May 18, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That is SO cute!
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
i would prefer the bcs title game
just because it would mean one hellofa fun 5 months for the fans
i’d like to re-try al sterling’s (non)interception, but only if instant replay is in effect
also, maybe pig’s dropped int in the 07 game in norman
m-i-z... z-o-u!
oh...Pig's drop, that's a good one.
What about that miss timed end around in that game as well? I would like to see that as a redo.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 19, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
BCS title game as that would mean we
won the new and improved Big 12 outright and get to rub the idea of no championship game in the faces of NU, OU and UT.
But that is just me.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
I too would go with the Tyrus shot
If only to get one more negative thing that happened on Mizzou watch off all the damn highlight reels
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
I'd take another 12 win season and the Cotton Bowl or an Elite 8 in Basketball over softball
I’m glad they’re doing really well, and I will root for them to win it all, but in the end I’m not invested in the team. I’m not going out of my way to clear the schedule to watch them if they get on tv, etc. It is a great story though.
5th down. We won that game. A re-do gives us a victory as we actually stopped them 4 straight times (really 5 times but that’s beside the point).
Kansas City, because I live here.
It won’t work because if they put it online, people will start to realize that broadcast stations are on their way to becoming newspapers. At somepoint creators and producers will decide that HBO makes better shows because there are no limits. You don’t have to censor yourself. So, if they can’t go on HBO (or showtime etc) they can just broadcast it online. They can still sell ad space. Basically, it’s like when Kramer figures out there is no use for the mail anymore.
Has kU parlayed their BCS game VICTORY into football program cred?
Or is that just because they are who we know they are?
Black and Gold!
Might be in the minority here ...
1. Oh man, that’s tough, but I’d say if the national title were in volleyball, soccer, softball or baseball, I’d put that on top of the list. Love me some non-revenue sports, and I’d be at the front of the line buying national championship gear. Otherwise, I’d go with basketball. They’ve been so close that climbing that particular mountain would be such a huge thrill/relief.
2. The @#$%ing Immaculate Deflection, no doubt. My friends and I still talk about that game with relative fondness … and we lost. Imagine had we actually WON.
3. KC. And wouldn’t they be the Sluggerrrrrrrrrrs?
4. Uh, I can’t really tell you why that would be a bad idea, except that I would waste way too much time watching them.
My 1 1/2 cents
1 – As Mizzou Softball embarks on a quest for their third consecutive Women’s College World Series berth, here’s a question of degrees: would you rather a) the softball team (or any other minor sport, really) win a national title, b) the football team make the BCS title game but get smoked, or c) the basketball team make the Final Four but get smoked? Obviously we tend to care more about football or basketball, but … how much more? And hungry are we for a national title of any form?
My initial reaction was: “Take the title”
But, as I thought more about it, and remembered how much fun 97, 98 and 2007 were, I realized that while I’m really enjoying the greatness of our SB team, it’s not even nearly the same thing. I like following this team, they’re a hard-nosed, great-personality team who has a chance to win it all. But, I LIVED Mizzou football in 2007. There was hardly a moment that went by that season that I didn’t think about something related to that team. Add in a Conference Championship and the hype of making the title game (and a strong likelihood at a Heisman finalist or winner) and I can’t imagine that the loss would be enough to make me regret that trade.
2 – You have the ability to rewind time and have any Mizzou (or, for Doug, Kansas) team retry a play. Which one would you choose (i.e. Kicked ball, 5th down, UCLA play)? (“Retry” is not the same as “definitely succeed.”)
Tough question for me, because I am not the type of person who really remembers individual plays that much (similarly, in school, I could remember how I did on the test, but not individual questions). The easy answer is the 1997 Nub game, because I was there and it was already such an incredible season without that win. But, Beef is right – in the long run, what would that have changed?
So, I’m going to go with the 2007 Big 12 Championship for the play. Chase’s first INT of the game allowed them 2 quick TDs and the rout was on. Wasn’t that pass a very catchable ball?
For the game, I’m going with the Elite 8 against UConn. Maybe they blow us out but maybe, just maybe, this time we
hit a few more FTs or do a little better than 28% from 3.
3 – The NBA has decided to grant either KC or StL a franchise. Who should get the bball team, and what would the name be of said team?
The only reason I’d want them to come to STL is because I want the owner of the Blues to have a 2nd team to help pay the bills on the Kiel Center. So, I’d rather have them come to KC. KC could get another sport (I don’t think STL would support 4 teams… of course, soon we won’t have to worry about the NFL) and could help pay for the Sprint Center which really needs to be more than a concert venue.
As far as the name goes…. I’d love to see the KC Scouts come back, but the Monarchs is much more likely, given the city’s sports history.
4 – Community creator Dan Harmon had a wonderful idea last week for the whole network pilot process:
I can’t make even an attempt at an intelligent answer to this, so I won’t even try.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
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1. We need the first NC more than anything. For that, go with the program that’s closest to achieving it. That’s softball. Mizzou has proven that they can go toe-to-toe on a regular basis with anyone in the conference, and football and basketball haven’t yet proven they can do that. Get the first and the rest will follow.
2. One play: Maclin and Daniel’s botched handoff in the 2007 Big XII Championship game. 2 reasons: first, until that point, Mizzou had been hanging with Oklahoma. That mistake tore their hearts out and ensured that an Orange Bowl bid was wasted on a team that did nothing with it in the following years. Second, both teams came away from that game with different perceptions. Mizzou thought they gave away a winnable game, while Oklahoma thought they had kicked Mizzou’s asses and that Mizzou refused to accept that, which led to Bradford and Stoops’ (pardon my French) bitchfest the next year in which they ran up the score because disrespect/BCS/tornadoes/whatever.
3. KC didn’t know what to do with an NBA team the first time they had one.
4. We aren’t finished seeing the changes in the industry brought about by the Internet. Something like this will eventually happen, I’m sure.
I think you're right
It all blurs together. Still, OU was pissed after the game because Mizzou didn’t admit defeat. That carried over into both championship games.
Replayed play
Give Pig Brown another shot at intercepting Sam Bradford. I still think we would have won if not for that drop.
Making you feel old since 9/26/09
Gotta go with Edney play
Better defense on a 94 foot inbounds play would have changed college basketball forever. Arkansas would have defended their championship in 1995. Mizzou would have been known as a giant killer, gotten to the second week…where anything can happen. That would have been so dang fun. Plus, it’s likely the easiest fix of any of these plays. Literally, doing ANYTHING different could have easily changed the outcome.
The Kansas City Monarchs
I absolutely love it Atch…dropping in a Stephen King reference that basically nobody will know.
Or a famous Negro League baseball team
which everyone should know about…
more likely the reference he’s making.
What are you down in the Mississippi floods, or what? Sequel movie? Porn spoof?
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on May 18, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
snakes on a plane? that was a good one!!!!!!!!
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by threadkiller on May 18, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be a lot more excited for Mizzou to get into the BCS championship
but I would rather have them win a championship than for them to just get there..
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden
by lost..in the woods on May 18, 2011 7:23 PM CDT reply actions
I'd like to remind the community at large...
we have TWO national Titles! 1954 Baseball team and the 1965 Indoor Track team!
That, being said, I want the National Title in a minor sport. I have more appreciation for the athletes that play the non-revenue sports becuase they get NOTHING! They earn what little they do get and I for one want to see Mizzou great at SOMETHING in my lifetime!
2. I want the Tyus Edney play back. I get SO tired of NCAA tournaments starting with THAT in the highlight package.
3. Neither. NBA basketball is overrated.
4. I don’t think it would work. But it’s a cool idea…
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
they get nothing
but a free education, right? a lot of them? in which case, those are some pretty serious savings, dollarwise. if that’s nothing, i’ll take some, please. unless they don’t get schollies, in which case, never mind.
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by threadkiller on May 18, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Almost all do not get full rides...
They may get anywhere from just books to around 70%.
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
oh, ok.
can they earn a full ride due to excellent performance? because, imo, chelsea thomas is worth a full ride. you know, to me, who doesn’t have to pay for it. :-)
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by threadkiller on May 18, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
My play is the fumbled handoff between Chase and Maclin.
If Mizzou wins that game in Norman, I think that team wins the national title.
Annoying You Since 1986
Not if they don't win the Big 12 title...
…though if we’re talking about that game in Norman, I have a different play in mind…
1. Football. It seems like the bball tourney always overshadows the actual winner a bit. As much as I love all sports and will be rooting my brains out for our ladies this week, let’s be realistic. Football and men’s bball have a huge impact on the whole dept.
2. I’d like to see them retry the OU fake field goal from ‘02. I’m pretty sure it was ‘02 as that was my freshman year. Of course, this scenario doesn’t mean that they would be told that a fake was coming, but just in terms of stats, how often does a fake work? Maybe OU tries it again, and fails!
3. No opinion. I live in KC, but don’t have any major allegiance here. We have the Sprint Center, so I guess that’s something.
4. I like the idea. It’d be tough for it to be profitable, but the old Conan-authored pilot Lookwell! is an example of how there might be some good shows out there.
winter is coming
Zing!
At a press conference at Huntsville (Ala.) Butler High on Wednesday afternoon, five-star shooting guard Trevor Lacey announced that he will sign with Alabama, choosing the Crimson Tide over Kansas, Kentucky and Auburn.
Alabama over Kansas? That’s gotta sting.
ok
1) Revenue high publicity sports. Greater good an’ all.
2) Suh shredding Gabbert’s ankle. Don’t know how good he really WOULD have been that season, but it’d be nice to find out eh. Plus beating the nubs that day woulda bin nice.
3) The KC Cheesecake Factory.
4) Because pilots are mostly boring. Low production values, often clunkily written, and no chance for chemistry to have built. American idol is watchable becasue singers are so bad they’re funny. Pilots are just bad. Dancing with the Stars has people you recognize and like competing and struggling to do pretty stuff. Pilots are just bad. People would watch a few out of raw curiosity, and the odd one might go viral, but mostly they’d just sit there unwatched.
Plus the studios often change significant things about shows between the pilot and the release, and it might ruin the mystique of shows if you watch the abandoned Pilot concept in which Jack Bower tickles terrorists until they confess (it’d probably realistic work just as well as torture, but 24 just wouldn’t be the same show pitched as a sitcom).
I'm pretty sure the turn lanes are also merging lanes.
You would absolutely hate driving on Manchester Rd. in St. Louis ZouDave. On another point, whenever I do this in Columbia, drivers freak out as well. I guess now I get it?
If you're talking about making a left turn
into a shared center turn lane on a road, that’s totally legit. I was just looking in the MO driver’s guide to find out what the Missouri U-turn rules were, and read over the section on turn lanes. I’ve been doing that all my life, and I’m from rural SE Missouri.
My biggest problem with Springfield drivers is
that stopping on the highway on ramp. ARGH!! Just merge already. That all being said I live near Springfield now but I grew up in Columbia and you ALWAYS knew when the students got back in town. I think mostly because some of them learned to drive in a different country.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
Seattle trumps most driving situations as the worst, example:
There are “sunshine slowdown” warnings in the morning commute news. Because, get this, THERE’S TOO MUCH SUN AND PEOPLE ARE BREAKING! This causes wrecks on the bridges of which there are many. Then you couple that with the sun blind idiots that then have to break while going through the tunnels (which continue the trajectory of the road before it was a tunnel)….
EFFF!
They are idiots when it is bad weather out (just a light rain) and they are idiots when it’s nice out because..OH LOOK SOMETHING SHINY!
Considering the rain situation on the west side of the Cascades, now you know the reason why I try to never drive our car. EVER.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 19, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions
For the record, Johnson county has a sunshine slowdown as well.
And I thought these idiots were the only ones. They also have gawker slow downs as they have to gawk at every wreck, stopped car, dead animal, starbucks, etc along the road.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
I think
gawker slow downs are pretty ubiquitous. St. Louisans are also incapable of driving when ANY FREAKING FORM OF PRECIPITATION IS FALLING. It’s like they totally forget how their cars work cause they’re busy trying to process the fact that water falls from the sky.
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