Mizzou Links, 5-3-11
by Bill C. on May 3, 2011 5:06 AM CDT
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PrintFirst off, thoughts and prayers to anybody affected by the epic flooding and Birds Point floodway activation in SE Missouri...
Mizzou Football Links
- The Trib (Dave Matter): Some final post-draft thoughts
Tim Barnes, undrafted. I don’t get it. A couple teams told Barnes they'd take a strong look at him in the later rounds if he was still available, but the draft came and went with seven six coming off the board and not Missouri's three-year starter. Missouri's coaches genuinely thought Barnes was going to break the streak of MU's All-Big centers going undrafted. "For the life of me, I can’t explain why, but we’ve had all-conference players who didn’t make it to the next level," former offensive coordinator and line coach Dave Christensen told me last spring. "I know they were great players for us at Missouri, phenomenal players." Even before Barnes' senior season, Christensen was confident he'd break the trend. "I think so just because he's so athletic," he said. "He’s got great balance and can really move laterally. He’s a little bit taller and can run block and pass block. I think he’s got a good shot."
And he still might. Barnes texted me Sunday night and said the Baltimore Ravens contacted him immediately after the draft. Once teams are allowed to negotiate with prospects, the Ravens could sign Barnes to a free-agent deal or invite him to a tryout. Veteran Pro-Bowl center Matt Birk is in the final year of his contract and might retire after one more season. The Ravens didn’t address the interior of their line in the draft, so perhaps they can sign Barnes and develop him as an eventual replacement for Birk. The Dolphins and Bengals contacted him, too.
- PowerMizzou Blog: Tigers make a statement in the draft
- Pro Football Talk: With Blaine Gabbert, Del Rio's job only gets harder
- We Are Mizzou: Gabbert and Aldon Smith Go in Top Ten
Other Football Links
- Dr. Saturday: College campuses celebrate Osama bin Laden's death the only way they know how
- National Football Post: Sunday Blitz (hop down to the part about Prince Amukamara ... it is unreal that an executive would even THINK that, much less say it out loud)
- Pre-Snap Read: Coaching Lessons from Mike Haywood
- EDSBS: QB CAMP! WITH JON GRUDEN: OLD LEATHERPANTS EDITION
Mizzou Basketball Links
- The Trib (Steve Walentik): Kim English, teammates getting extra work at Rec
- KC Star (Upon Further Review): MU BB: Season Outlook via 1993
- Rodney Purvis
The Trib (Steve Walentik): Purvis decommits from Louisville
USA Today: Top recruit Rodney Purvis backs off commitment to Louisville
ESPN.com CBB Blog: Louisville prospect reopens recruitment - KC Star: Former MU basketball player connects from top of his key as singer (ggh...cheeserific headline...)
Other Mizzou Links
- Mizzou Softball
MUtigers.com: Softball to Honor Military on Wednesday - Mizzou Baseball
The Trib: Back in the hunt, despite loss
MUtigers.com: Tigers Face Missouri State Tuesday
SimmonsField.com: Mizzou Baseball Game Day: Missouri State Bears again
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Escalation is out today for those of us who made the correct choice.
by achillbreeze on May 3, 2011 6:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
keep the momentum going!
Go Mizzou baseball and softball!
by McZou on May 3, 2011 6:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
RE: Prince
wait…so Nigerians are soft because they’re educated? I get it. Get me a CB from Côte d’Ivoire, who spent his childhood not in school but toting around an AK, fighting in the civil war. He won’t be soft.
Freaking idiots.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
Yeah...was just amazing to me that they would generalize like that.
Never mind everything that Amukamara might show you on film — he’s Nigerian, so he’ll be soft.
I could see how a well educated person could be considered "soft" by football terms
coach: Go dive head first into that guy running at you
Prince: And cause myself brain damage?
Coach: That’s just a myth
Prince: uhhhhhh, no it’s not – http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6465271
by the way, I love that espn through this up on the espn chicago page and then did everything it could to bury the story.
But,
They can’t be contradicting the opinions of such luminaries as Mark Schlereth and Trent Dilfer. We all know that former decent (not great) football players know a lot more about brain damage than some silly “doctors” do.
I mean, Mark Schlereth is obviously still suffering some of the effects if his inane ramblings are any indication.
this is what happens when a "news" agency has a vested interest in a sport remaining prominent
Apparently the fact that some baseball players used steroids is a topic that must be covered ad nauseum because steroids are just awful! (Unless Shawn Merriam does it, then he should still be DPOY). But the idea that football, in its current state, causes brain damage? That’s not a story.
Where are Mel Kiper’s draft grades? I want to know what the guy who was wrong about the order players were taken in thinks about the order players were taken in, without any new knowledge except that the order the players were taken in was not the same as the order he thought the players were taken in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's an ESPN Insider story
But you can see how Kiper graded each team based on “meeting their needs” and “value of their picks.” Basically, how closely they fit in with how Kiper thinks:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=Kiper2011DraftGrades
He somehow gives the Saints a B overall because “they didn’t address all their needs,” despite the fact that they got two high value picks in the first round that actually addressed their needs…so yeah, take this story with a gigantic block of salt.
this is why I need a sarcasm font
I really don’t care what Mel Kiper thinks about the draft in any way shape or form. I appreciate that he has figured out a way to make money by guessing wildly and poorly both before and after the draft, but I don’t care.
It’s amazing he can give a grade at all based on the fact that no one has played a second. Was Christian Ponder a reach? Maybe or maybe he turns out to be a stud and people marvel at how he was the 4th qb taken.
Kiper’s grades are as dumb as movie reviews and suggestions based upon movies that the reviewer has not seen. Which, incidentally, is apparently what Bill Simmons is promoting in his new website.
Yep
I assume that, as a machine sent to our message boards from the future, you have no need for “sarcasm.” It was my understanding that sarcasm started to fall out of favor with the elites around the 23rd century…I guess I misjudged the superiority of your circuitry.
Plus, I love any opportunity to post YET ANOTHER ARTICLE that shows how stupid Mel Kiper is. I mean, the man apparently can make the words “need” and “value” mean whatever he wants, because he contradicts himself no less than 20 times through the article. I’m disappointed he hasn’t done a mock draft for 2015 yet…it couldn’t be any worse than it will be in 2015, right?
everyone keeps saying I'm a
“machine sent to our message boards from the future.’
That’s just not true at all. I’m a machine sent back from the future to destroy a certain person who will start a rebeliion that, while not actually winning anything, is becoming bothersome. I am on this message board to simply pass the time and to make sure I don’t miss it when the picutres of Zou Dave’s sister are posted.
by mizzou2396 on May 3, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe it.
I believe you are using the framework from the “Terminator” films to try and throw us off of your true goal: Message board superiority. Yet, without a dedicated sarcasm font, you’re getting bogged down in extraneous posts such as “Mel Kiper’s draft grades” or "Mel Kiper’s list of draft propects who will have an immediate impact in the NFL (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6465269)," drastically reducing your board efficiency. Hoping that everyone will be familiar with the Terminator films, you use it as a “go to” response whenever someone questions your superiority. If that doesn’t work, I’m sure you’ll try to convince us your name is “Hal.”
We’re onto your game. We will maintain superiority of our message boards, and we will never let you get to the mysterious “Seth” who you have asked for in the past, either.
perhaps you are correct
or perhaps my obvious go to of the Terminator films you speak of is an attempt to hide in plain sight. Perhaps, having studied your species pitiful existence for some time now, I can calculate your precise repsonse to the precise stimulus I place on a board.
Why do you think twitter exists? Because people want to communicate or because machines want to monitor communication? By leading you cattle to a website to post all of your thoughts on everything, we have significantly cut costs and resources that can then be diverted to the true mission.
One final thought, if I was really after message board dominance, I achieved that on August 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 AM PDT.
Here's the sarcasm font
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 3, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
quite the quandry
if that really is the sarcasm font, you’re identifying it as such is sarcastic and therefore it isn’t really the font. If it is not the sarcastic font, then you are sincere about it being the sarcastic font, which makes it sarcastic. and so on and so on.
Quick! CLOSE THE CAGE DOOR!!
I got mizzou2396 stuck in a Go To 2 step loop, he is preoccupied.
HURRY!!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 3, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew doing all of my critical thinking inside of a cage
would eventually backfire. I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for you meddling kids.!
We can all find exceptions
But do we know if any of the players in the NFL with Nigerian heritage were drafted by the possibly racist coordinators/coaches? We don’t know if this is the case of 2 or 3 teams having coaches who feel this way or 15, but even if it was 15, there are another 15 teams that don’t hold the same attitudes. Some people will still hold certain opinions regardless of the evidence to the contrary.
It confuses me that people can generalize other people like that.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 3, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
For those interested
Here’s a picture of the Corps of Engineers blowing the levee northeast of Charleston, MO.
It took less than 10 seconds to create a 11000ft breach in the levee. Holy CRAP.
My thoughts are with those affected. I know many farmers will have pretty much all their land flooded by this. Luckily, my parents farm land in other areas of the county, too. They’ll have around 800 acres under water (I think).
800 acres flooded?
that is really unfortunate. It’s too bad this story has been so buried. First by the royal wedding and then by Osama’s death. I think this is a bigger deal than people are making it out.
Glad to hear that your parents have farm land in other areas as well.
There's a total of 130000 acres flooded according to the article.
My parents’ land is just a drop in the bucket. I know from the maps I’ve seen the floodway is about half of the whole freaking county. It’s insane.
If they actually manage to get the water cleared by June or August, I don’t think it will permanently ruin farmers, but that’s still a season lost, so times will be tough.
Also, we don’t really know what this will do to the land itself. The last time the levee was blown (1938, maybe?), there was significantly more forest in the area to slow the flow of water. Any geologists in the house?
No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
by DnrW on May 3, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
uhhh...
bad selection…
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
Earth Science minor
have only taken ecology so far
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden
by lost..in the woods on May 3, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is not the water covering the ground..
it’s what happens when the water leaves. It will completely wash out all the good rich top soil, and will leave behind a thick layer of sandy dirt, which is un-farmable. It will completely wash out any existing natural irrigation channels. This will pretty much make some of the richest farmland in the world worthless for an entire generation.
Insurance policies generally exclude man-made disasters (which this is), so the farmers won’t be able to make claims for their losses with their carrier. And there is no way there is enough federal aid that will be made available to cover the losses of crops for the next 50 years. This will cripple the economy in that region for a long, long time, and will likely have a far reaching impact in general, as they produce a disproportionate amount of the crops that we use and export around the world. Sad day for those people down there.
That's kinda what I've been getting.
And to clarify, for those who think flood=fertile soil, it’s the speed of the flood that’s bad, correct? If this had been a natural flood instead of the sudden breach of the levee, it wouldn’t have such negative long lasting effects?
Crop insurance should help cover the lost $$ this year for crop inputs
and maybe even revenue but next year is no guarantee. Hopefully, this will qualify for those that have flood insurance. Not everyone does.
Lots of things can happen to farm land in a flood.
1. Soil Erosion – loss of topsoil including any planted seed, fertilizer, pesticides, etc.
2. Deposits – a flood can leave behind any number of things such as sand or other sediment plus seeds for weeds, trees, etc. Can also leave behind debris such as sticks and logs, trash, or anything else that can float down river. All of these things will have to be dealt with after the water goes down.
3. Current – The currents can work in crazy ways cutting out holes in the middle of a flat area or just cutting away the river bank. Once the water goes down, the holes become unwanted ponds as they are still full of water. It is guaranteed that the area that was blown will be gone due to the loosening of the soil by the explosion.
4. When maintained properly, soil is full of living organisms that require food and air for survival even simple beneficial things like worms will drown. The chemical changes to an area under water will be dramatic. Nutrients, organic matter, air and compaction will all be concerns once the water recedes.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
It will be interesting to see what the insurance companies do.
Like I said above, generally ALL insurance policies have exclusions for man-made disasters, as a covered loss needs to be sudden and accidental (I am in insurance, this is what I do). What will be interesting is how they weigh the PR backlash from denying these claims with the fact that if they do pay them, they will take a huge hit in the pocketbook. Flood policies and crop insurance would likely cover the losses if they were from a natural flood, but since this was an intentional flood, I’m almost certain the claims will be denied.
What I suspect will happen is that the Insurance claims will be denied, and the people who suffered losses will then be forced to file a civil lawsuit against the Corp of Engineers or the Federal Govt.
A class-action lawsuit will be a very long and drawn out process, and will not be fun for anyone involved. This was an incredibly dumb and short-sided decision to blow the levee. Do we not learn from past mistakes? /don’t answer that.
Crop insurance is a bit different and tied to the USDA and the Farm Bill so I expected a bit of special dispensation for this event.
Also, I found this quote from an article referencing the plan to blow the levees.
Rep. JoAnn Emerson, who represents the southeast Missouri area in Congress, said Monday she had spoken to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, who told her that farmers with crop insurance would be treated the same as if the flood were a natural disaster.
The reality is that while the MO state rep who was for allowing Cairo to possibly flood instead of the farmland was pretty insensitive about the comments he made, he was still correct. A town of 2800 flooding (after evacuation obviously) would be better than flooding 130,000 acres (more than 200 square miles) of farmland. Not to mention, that if the avg. farm is 350 acres and each farmer feeds 156 people, a town of 2,800 just trumped the feeding of almost 58,000 people.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
Wasn't aware of the exact specifics of crop insurance,
but the second part here is my point exactly. I think I read that the plan to save Cairo was made in the early 1900’s when Cairo was 5 times the size it is now, and was a bustling river transport town, and the MO farm land was a largly forested and un-farmed area.
This is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Actually, it is more like slashing the life rafts and throwing them overboard b/c someone 100 years prior said this is what they needed to do.
We haven't even mentioned the 100 homes on the 130,000 flooded acres.
Basically, IL won and MO got hosed.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
Agreed.
Our AG settle for mediocrity. At least we beat IL in everything else.
But in all seriousness, this is a very unfortunate incident and the Corps of Engineers is being awfully cavalier with a lot of people’s livelihoods.
I didn't think it was a huge deal...
Until I saw all those homes in Missouri flooded up to the roof.
Top Heavy Beer Drinker
If you remember the results of the 93 flood in the river bottom near Rocheport,
the river currents cut into the farmland there leaving behind uneven terrain and tons of sand. Most of that river bottom is still out of production near the bridge on I70. Brutal.
We had 400 acres go under water in 1993 in NW MO but the rivers in our area were not nearly as large (we don’t have land on the MO River) and the time period was limited. We lost those acres that season but could plant the next year.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
I never set off an explosion that big, but I can tell you that when your range limit is 2 Bangalore torpedoes (a pipe bomb for breaching barbed wire and embankments) and you put 10 of them together combined with low-lying fog, people might think it’s an earthquake back on post. Or so I’ve heard. :)
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
by Kpz1234 on May 3, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My mom's farmland is where they actually breeched the levee
My parents finacial situation is now REAL BAD! I will have to throw a ton of money their way just to keep them afloat.
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
Purvis
I would have thought that if your love for an assistant coach was so great that he was very nearly the only reason you committed to a given school, that you’d follow that coach nearly anywhere (within reason of course). But given the content of the articles related to Purvis, Missouri obviously is not a shoe-in.
As an aside, I thought Christian Okoye was pretty freaking tough.
OT
(American) Soccer fans: where do you get the majority of your soccer news and notes? SB nation? ESPNSoccernet? Other?
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
for headlines and scores, soccernet.com. for following americans abroad, socceroverthere.com. for highlights, footytube.com. for team specific, as a liverpool fan I use liverpool.theoffside.com. For mls teams I would probably advise sbnation blogs.
capital letters suck.
by soccerfreak on May 3, 2011 2:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Navy could have saved themselves some money by sending Chelsea Thomas after Bin Laden
One stare and the entire compound would have surrendered.
One rise ball to the forehead would have ended any dispute as well.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
Does Louisville have any commits left?
I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like this when an assistant leaves a school. Louisville didn’t have too much of a drop-off in recruiting after the Pitino blackmail fiasco, but it seems that may have been due to Fuller, not Pitino.
Anyway, here’s hoping we get a shot at some of those kids.
Well, Louisville did lose both of their assistants
And Fuller was the point man on the only big recruits they had gotten recently. There are also grumblings that Pitino isn’t going to be at Louisville much longer, and having BOTH top assistants jump ship definitely doesn’t give a lot of people faith in the immediate viability of the program. They already lost Woods and Purvis (and someone else, too…just can’t remember his name), and it sounds like Manhattan (where Steve Masiello went) is in heavily for Tony Kimbro…don’t know if Louisville was ever after him, but now it looks like they don’t have any shot.
I know it's only one game,
But I’d like to take a moment and congratulate Larry Drew and his Atlanta Hawks on winning game one of the Eastern Conference semifinals over the Bulls. It’s nice to see a Mizzou alum having some coaching success, especially considering most people thought the Hawks would lose fairly easily in the first round. I still think the Bulls win the series, but Drew has the Hawks playing at a really high level, and despite the fact I rarely root for Atlanta based teams (and have a soft spot in my heart for the Bulls after growing up watching Michael Jordan) I’m rooting heavily for the Hawks in this series.
How about five wins?
Considering the four wins he got in the first round to beat the favored Orlando Magic?
And, in all honesty, how many people thought the Bulls were going to take this series in four or five games? Seems like no one gave the Hawks ANY credit.
anything short of a championship
just shows that he can’t take them to the “next level” and people who are satisfied with meeting or exceeding expecatation are only accepting mediocrity. Some god you turned out to be.
They're not the Atlanta Walri
So I really have no power in this situation. And I, as a deity of a large marine mammal with a limited habitat, have learned that thriving against expectations can be as important as being a “champion.”
the reason your mamals habitats are limited
is because you choose to accept mediocrity. That just science. If walri were true champions, they would have adapted and infested the world like humans. And don’t give me that “we don’t have opposable thumbs!” argument – you have tusks. 2 tusks. Walri up already and make your move.
by mizzou2396 on May 3, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should be honored
To be able to witness a discussion between a deity and a (supposedly) superior robotic being.
the moderators are gone
you know what they say:
When the cat’s away, people allergic to cats are more comfortable.
also
it’s accepting mediocrity to not have a sports franchise named after you.
Singed,
Yankee Laker Celtic-Blackhawk, III.
How much do you really like oysters?
Supporting the Kenji Jackson Approach for every day situations.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 3, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Phil is coming back
“Phil is a guy that obviously got hurt, who’s been close to wanting to leave,” Haith said. “We’ve talked about it. I feel comfortable that he’s coming back.”
I think the bigger question is....
Why is there an article about Missouri offseason basketball in the Seattle PI?
as Seattle is where I grew up,
It’s kinda weird to see the Seattle PI run this story.
by McZou on May 3, 2011 4:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
as Seattle is where I grew up,
It’s kinda weird to see the Seattle PI run this story.
by McZou on May 3, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
as Seattle is where I grew up,
It’s kinda weird to see the Seattle PI run this story.
by McZou on May 3, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So did you grow up in Walawala or what?
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on May 3, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it is spelled Walla Walla
At least I think that is what you are trying to type out. Unless you have typed a town somewhere in the Australian outback and you are not referring to the town in eastern Washington with the amazing onions/wine.
Supporting the Kenji Jackson Approach for every day situations.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 3, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You nailed it. But a dingo did eat my baby.
Black and Gold!
by Spider_Monkey on May 3, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
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