Mizzou Links, 1-13-12

by Bill C. on Jan 13, 2012 5:15 AM CST in News

Mizzou Basketball Links

The Teacher Becomes The Student
The Missourian: Haith faces former mentor in Missouri's game Saturday against Texas

Haith served as an assistant coach at Texas under Barnes when the Longhorns advanced in postseason play to the Sweet 16 during the 2001-02 season and the Final Four during the 2002-03 season. Haith then became an associate head coach at Texas for the 2003-04 season, and the Longhorns made another trip to the Sweet 16. [...]

While coaching under Barnes, Haith was impressed with Barnes’ ability to adapt to his personnel.

"He was the best at that," Haith said. "Some coaches are not willing to change. They have their certain mentality how they want to play, and that’s what we’re going to do all the time."

The Missourian: St. Louis Cardinals Caravan set to stop at Mizzou Arena for Saturday's game

Mizzou Football Links

Recruiting
SB Nation Recruiting: Evan Boehm Swung Back To Missouri By Family Values

SBN: So you really enjoyed the Auburn experience. What ultimately spurred committing back to Missouri?

Boehm: "It was 14 hours away. With my dad being a high school coach and my brother being in high school, the only person who could come see me is my mom. I'm not about that.

And I was really drawn to the family atmosphere at Mizzou. That's what I like to see. I'm a family guy, all about the family, my dad being my head coach and all. Mizzou had that family feel and I felt like I was already a part of the team. It felt good."

SBN: You played all the positions on the line in high school. I know you're slated to play guard for Missouri, but how do you think the varied experience will help you at the next level?

Boehm: "I think it will help a lot. Being able to learn the different steps and assignments. Coach Barrows [HS offensive line coach] has done a great job with me. I payed guard my freshman year. I'm a little rusty with that. But I feel good about it."
'Nique
The Draft Season: Dominique Hamilton playing with a purpose

Growing up, Hamilton spent some time in a part of the world where football is very different. And it was there that he got his first start on the gridiron.

"I started off at center when I was ten. I was playing flag football when my family was living in Germany," Hamilton explained. "It was different. They wouldn’t allow the younger kids to hit. They didn’t have Pop Warner, they just had flag football. It was really different. Germany itself was a different place. They try to make it as American as possible on the Army base but once you leave there, it’s a German crowd."

Hamilton also spent time living in Arizona, Atlanta, El Paso and now resides in upstate New York.

But he will gladly welcome a new location later this year, a location he hopes to learn during the upcoming 2012 NFL Draft.
NFL
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DC
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I thoroughly enjoy Keegan's admonishment of the RPI for ranking kU outside the top-10

Then going on to completely refute his case with relevant facts while at the same time acknowledging that Kansas gets significant bonus points for name recognition.

Anywhere but in the RPI, Kansas is a Top-10 team, despite losing four starters, two of whom were lottery picks. KU is a Top-10 team, even though the point guard, Tyshawn Taylor, has had trouble securing the ball, averaging four turnovers per game, the shooting guard has had trouble shooting (.293 from three-point range) and the bench is the program’s weakest in decades.

Lofty expectations indeed.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 13, 2012 5:23 AM CST reply actions

Apparently I am alone in my enjoyment?

Or did I read this section wrong? I’m usually coming off my night shift when I read these so it could be the case.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 13, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions

well, it is important to inject emotions

into a mathematical equation.

Upholding fine Mizzou traditions in Maryland.
MvP, RoC official Nemesis

by Ausgiano on Jan 13, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions

and that is why i just leave all of my mathematical deductions to robots

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions

Bill C. = Robot

by M Krip on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

A robot that can breed?

That’s horrifying.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions

so Bill's daughter is the beginning of SkyNet?!?!?!?

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions

actually, that's very interesting especially if robot can also make a damn good sandwich

by M Krip on Jan 13, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions

I thought AP doesn't count when Mizzou is ranked higher than Kansas

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

And check out one of the beaker comments on the article:

nuleafjhawk (anonymous) says…
The rankings should be based on three things:

How pretty the uniforms are.

How cool the mascot is.

How loud the home crowd is.

We win. We win and we win.

(and by those same standards – K-State has to fold up their athletic department STAT)

by wlltg2 on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

obviously they werent talking about any other sport than KU Basketball

But then again, that should be a given at all times.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

I've read a lot about concussions and football for several years now

Simply put, if I had a son, he wouldn’t play football.

by AlaTiger on Jan 13, 2012 6:30 AM CST reply actions

I don't end up talking about this issue very much...

…simply because I have no idea what to do about it. I think the “penalties for even accidental blows to the head” is a decent step, but only a minor one.

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by Bill C. on Jan 13, 2012 6:37 AM CST up reply actions

it’s not the big, penalty-inducing “blows to the helmet” as much as the many small hits over and over. That’s why linemen have the highest incidences of brain injuries later in life… they get hit in the helmet on every play.

I’ve heard people argue (maybe TMQ?) that they should get rid of helmets altogether, and reduce the padding on the rest of the body.

If you have time to read a novel, I recommend this article in the New Yorker.

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Jan 13, 2012 7:03 AM CST up reply actions

I am all for getting rid of helmets

for the under college/highschool level. RIGHT NOW!

Later, I could see no helmets at any level.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions

While I agree

That would be a hard sell. Broken noses and black eyes (right now), despite being superficial and not as devastating as dementia (20 years from now), create an immediate, visceral reaction from spectators, particularly parents.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

Neither do I

People died with frightening regularity playing the sport pre-helmet. How do you protect the head without weaponizing it? Shock indicators on helmets haven’t been perfected, and even then they just let you get someone out of the game after the first injury.

And, yes, I do feel like a hypocrite for watching a sport I wouldn’t let a child of mine play.

by AlaTiger on Jan 13, 2012 7:04 AM CST up reply actions

To add more gravity to the situation (though it doesn't need it)

some researchers are getting brain sections from ex-NFL players (particularly linemen) and some have any number of the halmark pathologies seen in Parkinsons’ and/or Alzheimer’s.

I would wager a guess that this could be because of all the non-concussion level trauma happening changing the protein storage/removal pathway (which is a theory behind both conditions stated above) thus resulting in the observable pathology.

Makes you really think about cost/benefit ratio of having a kid get into football.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions

i only understood about 15 percent of the words in this post

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions

same here. You and I can just converse on recursive functions

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

don't brag

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

HA! Sorry.

Nerd kicked in. I study these diseases’ so…

Breakdown.

No concussion doesn’t mean there isn’t damage.
That damage builds up.
Normal cell processes are affected.
Looks like horrible diseases.
Thus…Some peoples head are literally filled with F*c% !

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions

i understand and I appreciate your expert insight

but some of us also need the dumbed down version. my head, similar to ex nfl players, is filled with most bong water and malted hops.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs

i'm still waiting for the dumbed-down version.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

repetitive banging of your head into things is bad for you

by M Krip on Jan 13, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

repetitive means over and over, right?

or is that COMpetitive?

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions

I just read a report about some of the side effects caused by Monosodium Glutemate or Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein include Obesity, Alzheimers and Parkinson's

Monosodium Glutemate is common in damn near everything we eat. Sometimes having one of many different names to hide behind. My point being, these studies could be related to many theories. To say to the cause of these ailments of these particular football players is definitely from concussions can be possibly misleading or incorrect. As I am obviously not a doctor, yet, this is just a subjective opinion from correlating the reports in diet and health to the possibilities of these “subjects”.
Oh..right about now, I am really wishing I was not working right at this minute as so I could qualify this comment with a few links. Instead, I will settle for looking like I am talking out of my arse.

by McZou on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Sure...one can link nearly anything to an increase of something...

however doing autoposies on people that fall outside the definition of high risk for Alzheimers and Parkinsons; and finding pathological attributes to these diseases suggests there is an increased risk of something.

To further complicate the problem and why work on dementias are difficult is that most of these traits are present in normally aging brains…

So while saying a player will get some type of dementia due to football is widely inaccurate there is mounting edivence that suggests playing football for a very long time, on the LINE, drastically increases your potential to getting some type of pathology associated with dementias.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

Football brain hurt bad

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions

Would this not apply to pretty much all strong head contact?

So martial arts would be out, too. Maybe even wrestling. I don’t have any experience, but I would lean toward it being out. Some roller coasters, come to think of it, though I’m not sure this would occur often enough for the damage to build up.

Just thinking out loud here.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

Wrestling I doubt. There is some head trauma, but it is farely rare.

The biggest concern with wrestling is always the weight cut, which has killed kids before and has to be extremely closely monitored. Luckily I am fat and was a heavyweight throughout high school and didn’t have to worry about this.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

My understanding is that the bigger problem is the accumulation of trauma

Rather than the intensity of trauma. So riding a roller coaster from time to time would be fine. Martial arts, so long as you didn’t spar hard every day, could be fine. Wrestling really doesn’t result in many blows to the head relative to sports like football and hockey, so I think it would be fine.

Really, if you want to know what sports would be in need of the most drastic rule changes, look for the ones with helmets.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

so the bedroom then?

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I can't see any sport being worse for the brain than boxing.

by M Krip on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Yeah, that one too

But parents aren’t exactly lining up to sign their kids up for boxing as it is.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions

Muhammad Ali being punch drunk

did more to kill boxing than anything else. And there was plenty else, too.

by AlaTiger on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions

that and Mike Tyson being.. well.. Mike Tyson

I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard

by Logan Hill on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

you misspelled don king.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Do wrestlers not make contact with the ground fairly often and fairly quickly?

While they may not hit their head on every fall, the brain’s still sloshing around in the noggin.

I’m curious (if this is true) where the threshold of damage lies. I.E. how much does the every day sloshing affect the prevalence of these diseases. Could, say, riding in a tractor daily lead to an increased chance? Or does it have to be college/NFL level lineman contact?

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions

There can be a few knocks on the noggin

But I dont think there are any more instances of heads hitting the ground as their is in basketball, and wrestling does at least have the added padding on the ground to help.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions

If you are looking for the threshold

look behind this guy

The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.

by SleepyFloyd7 on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

In all seriousness though

When they did the autopsy of Chris Benoit, his brain looked like Swiss cheese.

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

that was fake wrestling

I was speaking more along the lines of the Olympic/collegiate style

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions

But pro wrestling takes the entire debate to its extremes

Those guys take far more of a beating than football players and it shows in their health. It’s not a coincidence that so many of them die relatively young.

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 13, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

the beating and the crazy amount of steroids, other drugs and drinking

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

Sometimes the die too young

for some of the other potential problems to manifest.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, professional wrestling is a whole different animal

And what those guys go through is pretty much unexplainable. You can justify a reasonable level of risk associated with amateur sports because it teaches competitiveness, dedication and a number of other positive personality traits that can’t really be taught in a classroom as well as leading to better physical fitness.

Professional wrestling has none of those advantages as well as the added disadvantage of guys using steroids, abusing prescription painkillers, tanning excessively, etc. All you can really say is that they’re adults and as long as they know the risk, it’s their choice.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

side not, i saw hacksaw at a kc blades game years ago

He was beyond amazing. He fell down as soon as he stepped on the ice, recovered quickly and had his 2×4 close by. The USA, USA chant that he started didnt stop for at least a solid 5 minutes. He is the ultimate american!

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Your head doesn't have to hit the floor in order to cause damage.

There’s not a lot of cushion between the brain and skull, so simply moving the head and stopping it quick enough could cause damage.

Example:
In hapkido, I fall regularly. I know how to fall, so my head rarely hits the ground (unless I mess up). However, I’ve been thrown so fast a couple times that even though my head didn’t hit the ground, I saw stars.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think we know where that threshold lies

In terms of acceleration or accumulated trauma.

I can say that hard takedowns and throws in wrestling are actually pretty uncommon. They get shown in cut-ups and highlight videos because they look cool, but the majority of wrestling is more clinching and grappling. At the very least, they happen far, far less often than the repetitive banging of helmets between offensive and defensive linemen/linebackers that happens on almost every play.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions

Your threshold question is key in how drastic football rules

could/would/have to change.

No one knows right now, and I would guess we are a long way to delinating that.

force, number of times, incidences/time period, other risk factors, ect.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, I was just thinking out loud.

But I’m very interested in where this research leads. There’re all kinds of activities that do little bits of damage.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions

My 6'1 240lbs 17 year old son quit playing football beginning his Sophmore year.

He quit after getting injured in the weight room. My son has has more concussions and injuries since. At the rate he is going, I am starting to wonder if he was safer on the field. (Maybe if had received a few more on the field, he possibly could still be playing)

by McZou on Jan 13, 2012 7:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Meh....

I think the concussion issue has become a media-darling….is it a serious injury that ought to be taken seriously? Of course. But think about how many kids are playing Division I football every year…over 6000..and think about how few serious injuries there are even in the long term. There are equivalent or worse injuries in every sport..wrestling, soccer, baseball, basketball, softball, lacrosse, gymnastics….

by mpfische on Jan 13, 2012 7:54 AM CST up reply actions

i couldn't disagree more.

concussions are more serious than we even realize yet, if that’s possible to imagine. every time doctors learn something new about thm, it’s something even more horrifying than the last thing we learned. this is one thing i appreciate the media saturation on.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 7:57 AM CST up reply actions

Yes

I agree that media coverage has been useful in creating the pressure necessary to produce new safety rules, but concussions are not the boogieman. Shows on HBO and 60 Minutes tell of horrifying evidence about what has happened to SOME retired athletes due to repeated head-injuries. But for every such case there are thousands — perhaps tens of thousands — of retired athletes that have suffered numerous head injuries and yet they go to their graves without evidencing any horrible maladies. From that perspective, the ongoing media coverages is creating hysteria over concussion consequences that may very well be statistically insignificant. Concussions aren’t good to be sure, and they ought to be avoided, but I’m not sure you can play ANY contact sport without getting them. We’d have to outlaw boxing, heading in soccer, all helmet-to-helmet hits, car racing, horse racing, hockey checking, and so on. It’s a risk, but let’s not look at the horrible cases and generalize.

by mpfische on Jan 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions

Please understand....

I am not being dismissive of the issue…I played 10 years of football…eight in high school and college…some of my best friends did the same…some of my friends currently coach college football…I have a son…I’ve suffered at least five concussions and had visual migraines during college and two years afterwards due to those concussions. I just don’t think such injuries represent a gateway into a lifetime fraught with horrible maladies…will that occasionally happen? Sure.

by mpfische on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions

The problem is that we simply don't know

We can speculate, but we don’t know.

Currently, the diagnosis and reporting of concussions is spotty, the reporting of repeated sub-concussive trauma (the type linemen and linebackers can experience on nearly every play) is non-existent. Even if this was corrected, there is no universal depository for medical records (which is part of a larger problem), which makes it difficult to analyse that information. Even then, the only way to check for the presence and severity of CTE is by cutting the brain open.

So in order to conclusively prove that head trauma and only head trauma, without being compounded by genetic or other factors, we would need a significant sample size of individuals across all ages/sexes/races/etc. that have had their head trauma conclusively documented and have signed privacy waivers to allow scientists to look at it, then who have then died and donated their bodies to science. The alternative is the development of a less invasive test for CTE that can be performed on living patients, which I’ve heard is in the works, but even then it would take years to build a statistically significant sample.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions

I've read through all of this

I’m two years removed from highschool football. I’ve had three concussions, my last giving me headaches for weeks. I can say that I definitely have some memory problems because of them, but nothing life altering. I agree that the issue is overhyped. Yes it happens, it needs to be fixed, but it isn’t such a danger that all sports might end. It comes down to highschool and college coaches teaching the correct way to tackle. Every single time you see a big hit, it’s someone flying in with the helmet. Teach them to use the shoulder, to wrap up, and this issue will go away. I’m also sure advances with helmets will continue to improve the protection against them. In highschool, its pretty obvious when kids get them, and almost all get treated, ha I just hid it well an played through my last one because it was my senior season… That kind of attitude isn’t going to change either. People risk all sorts of harm to play football and nothing is going to change that. All you can do is better teach and equip players so the chance lessons, but you can never eliminate it.

by MizzouRugby on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

I think we'll all just have to accept

that playing football means brain damage. And that brain damage can happen even without concussion.

What level brain damage is allowed? Now THAT’S something no one wants to touch.

Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.

by Mac6uffin on Jan 13, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions

If the evidence was conclusive

You could simply present that evidence and let players (or their parents) make the decision.

The problem, as several people here have touched on, is that if you knew with reasonable certainty that letting your child play football would increase the likelihood of dementia or alzheimers-like symptoms later in their life, chances are you wouldn’t do it. Considering that most football players are retired before they reach 40, it would only take a few decades of that before the talent pool completely dried up. And if there really is a conclusive link, that would probably be the best thing to have happen.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions

but i don't wanna watch soccer!!

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions

i absolutely refuse to let me child play soccer

if i ever have one that is. they will specialize in only one on one hand to hand combat competitions and I will be their coach.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions

Martial arts are great.

Especially if you can find a good family-esque school. The black belt factories are pretty bad, though.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions

The crazy part is that

If repeated sub-concussive trauma really is a bigger danger than occasional concussions, then even MMA may be safer than football, provided you didn’t spar in every practice.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions

too bad, soccer's big in ireland, isn't it?

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions

I had such high hopes for you

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

in what way?

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions

you're right that was a lie.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

kinda like when my parents said i could do anything

and then refused to pay for any activities i wanted to do because i sucked at all of them

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions

Um yes but in a less loving and nurturing kind of way

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions

#2 on the concussion list was girl's soccer

Jus’ sayin’.

Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.

by Mac6uffin on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions

So you're saying that in a few years

Alex Morgan could be sufficiently demented that I have a chance?

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs

oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions

And this is why my prenup explicitly states that it's not infidelity

if she is or ever was on the US women’s national soccer team.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions

wise wise man

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions

bad man

I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard

by Logan Hill on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

You are correct it isn't conclusive yet.

However, Ex-football players are starting to present with the disease-symptoms 20-30 years before normal distribution of Alzheimers’.Which is the scary part.

They are presenting with a new disease entirely. Occupational Dementia.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

But a majority of players

or linemen/linebackers, or whatever sample group is chosen, would have to present with symptoms early, and early in proportion to the amount of blows to the head they had taken, to prove that there wasn’t some other factors at work. Some people may be genetically predisposed, they may be abusing other substances, etc. that are contributing to the damage.

I realize that you can never have a true control group in a study on people, but there are so many uncontrolled factors I think it’s impossible to draw any concrete conclusions at this point.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions

Sure, but we aren't operating in concrete conclusions

but rather increase of risk.
…and if I’m not mistaken ex-players that have been studied have traits of a brain with late stage Alheimers’ decades before the normal distribution.

Seeing a small population outside the norm presenting a disease-similar trait when this population has the same level of “other risks to this disease” (ie, genetics, epigenetics, they are still part of the entire population.) then one can state there is a trend.

A trend is what I’m stating. A shocking trend, that is linked to football players. Specificly linemen. However, it isn’t linked to anything THEY do specificly yet…but…

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions

..and you are right on with non-controls in people

other outlining factors….which is why it takes so long to do any kind of fruitful research in humans.

It’s all just a big Venn Diagram.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

Apparently L'Damian Washington was referenced on The Office.

Video HERE.

Still trying to figure out if I was correct to give up The Office after Jim & Pam got married.

by Big Head on Jan 13, 2012 7:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

I wonder what the story is here?

It’s almost like he made the name up.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 13, 2012 7:54 AM CST up reply actions

Mizzou alumni are everywhere

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Jan 13, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions

Ok, I'm an AVID Office-watcher...

And I’m almost positive all Ryan was doing was thinking of the “blackest” name he could (showcasing Ryan’s arrogance AND ignorance), and L’Damian Washington fits that role. Jim also immediately said “Wrong for so many reasons”, so I don’t think there’s any real Mizzou connection, just a coincidence.

by CapnCribbs on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions

that makes sense since l'damian grew up in scranton.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions

except it was shreveport

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Jan 13, 2012 8:00 AM CST up reply actions

:-)

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Hasn't there been speculation that

Kevin has a Mizzou helmet on his desk?

by tigers and chiefs fan on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions

North East PA Miners

http://www.nepaminers.com/

by The Detroiter on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions

Wow...

Good find!

by CapnCribbs on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions

Kansas State fans continue to be insufferable

how dare you rank Missouri above KSU when CBS, ESPN, SI don’t even have Missouri ranked.

Lord, their fan’s inferiority complex is nearly as bad as ours.

by dspfzf on Jan 13, 2012 7:25 AM CST reply actions

WE ARE TOO GOING TO HAVE A +75 TURNOVER MARGIN AGAIN NEXT YEAR

Proud owner of a brand new Kadlec

by Transmogrified Tiger on Jan 13, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

In fairness ... it's only a portion of BOTC thinking like that....

…but it is certainly a rather vocal portion…

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by Bill C. on Jan 13, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions

I keep promising myself I won't go back there

then I go back there and spend the rest of the day promising myself that I’ll never go back there.

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 13, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Bill,

now that I have to student teach starting at 7:30AM and have my first hour off, early Mizzou Links are a godsend!

by groggydog on Jan 13, 2012 7:38 AM CST reply actions

Ha, glad to help.

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by Bill C. on Jan 13, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions

Perfect description of Mario's behavior...

found at the end of that article.

Still, I’m increasingly convinced that Mario’s whole life is an endless series of dares from a mysterious and brilliant puppet master friend of his.

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by MizzouCus on Jan 13, 2012 8:49 AM CST reply actions

I hope

He washed his hands.

by mhbtiger on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

So guys, it's Friday the 13th today. Kind of a big deal.

Only I hate it when it happens in the winter. It’s so cold out. Nobody goes to the lake. So I just end up sitting in my cabin with my mother while she tells me what to do. So anyway, if you guys are looking for something to do, feel free to stop by the lake. Bring a bunch of friends. 6-7 is ideal. A lot of you will get laid and probably one of you will survive.

I can also be available to meet anyone who wants to travel in outer-space.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 AM CST reply actions 5 recs

Did you have the purple micro-dot for breakfast again?

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions

I'm pretty disappointed with my post

I think the premise is good. Jason soliciting people to come to the lake so he can kill them, but the execution is terrible. I wish there was a delete button.

As for what I had for breakfast: I found some pills on the ground and I put them in my mouth and now I’m afraid if I stop talking I’ll die. – Homer J. Simpson

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions

i found it quite enjoyable to read

If the hoes at your cabin are as young and attractive as the ones in those movies, i might be down with rolling the dice against Jason afterwards.

\imgettingoldandcreapy

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions

The more I read your posts,

the more I wonder if I either knew your mom, or your dad is my long lost twin brother.

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions

haha, if long wondered if i were the mailmans child

you may know my parents if you were around Odessa, MO is the late 70’s thru 80’s

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions

Not sure,

I don’t recall much of the 70’s.

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions

too many purple micro-dots?

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions

That's one theory.

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions

This is a beautiful thread

And why I keep coming back

Carry on.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions

on a seperate but equally bad note

I am not at all looking forward to any karma thread in the next 5 years. I continue to out do myself without even trying. I may need to be put down before long.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions

you still owe my the Stay-Puft Mashmallow man gag

by the way.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions

i know i know

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions

Oh no,

we will never die. We are indestructible!

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 13, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions

If you feel like you needing to be put down, just do as I do

Just invite your in-laws over and turn your back (especially when they hate Mizzou).

by McZou on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

ha, luckily my mother in law is certifiably psychotic and my father in law is a mizzou fan

but i’ll keep that in mind for my own parents

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions

Do you mean that literally?

As in, your mother-in-law is actually diagnosed as psychotic and needs medication? Because that would be the greatest personification of a stereotype ever.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions

she is indeed

had to have her committed right about this time last year. it was an interesting holiday season to say the least

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions

I feel so much better about my mother-in-law now

My wife and I only have to deal with a healthy dose of old-world Catholic guilt… which seems tame in comparison.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions

you have noooo idea

Right after the wife and I got engaged her mom started losing it. Found out she was cheating on her husband and didnt really want to hide it. Told her husband shortly before our wedding that she wanted a divorce. Alot much much worse stuff happened between our wedding a year and a half ago and them finally getting officially divorced a few months ago. Now we dont really see her which is ok with me. All of you thank your lucky stars if you have a decent mother in law.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions

my wife caught her mom in the act with some random dude.

that day kinda sucked.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions

ouch

my mother in laws boyfriend is younger than my wife, luckily we have refused to meet him and the awkwardness hasn’t gotten to epic levels, yet.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions

my father in law is married (off and on)

to a gal 3 years older than my wife and they have 2 kids, ages 7 and 2, respectively. both considerably younger than our son.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

very solid

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions

Wow.

Just wow. To both of those.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

does this explain too much about

TK and myself?

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions

good point, bst.

IT’S NOT OUR FAULT!

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

if you ARE needing. (Grrr)

by McZou on Jan 13, 2012 10:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

SAVE THE CLOTHES BASKETS!

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah,

I’ve sometimes wished for a way to delete a post. Oh, by the way, I saw in an earlier thread where you gave up your tailgate area. How do you expect me to secure your secrets if you can’t?

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions

i never wish to delete a post,

only for a way to create a good one.

What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?

by threadkiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Not a "rec" tab but a "rec-onfigure" button.

Or a “make me look smarter and funnier” button

by McZou on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

I figure most people on here don't believe anything I say

so if I say something that is true, they dismiss it. It’s sort of like hiding in plain sight.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions

exactly

kinda like when a mental patient has a moment of clarity

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions

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heilsnpgoia a;hgpaoie

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions

I usually completly ignore any facts

So this explains my many conversations with you.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Have any of you hunted turtles before?

Is a power drill the best weapon?

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions

i prefer explosive tipped arrows

but only without a shirt on and a roughly fashioned sweat band/hankerchief

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions

oh I get it, like that movie!

Gremlins 2.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

Greatest. Self-parody. Ever.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions

I find box turtles are easily taken with a power drill however

snapping turtles can be problematic.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

interesting. Do you wear a shell in order to get close enough to them?

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions

and a small turtlelike tail

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions

see? These are the details that I would miss

Thanks!

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

I do actually add value here.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions

don't brag

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions

sorry it's in my nature

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions

you Republic people are always bragging

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions

Well, I prefer robots called "mousers."

or robotic ninjas.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Bee-Bop and Rocksteady are upset they didn't make your preference list

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

this is a great reference

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions

Overrated.

Though I don’t understand how animals that are inherently smarter than turtles ended up dumber than mutated turtles when they were mutated themselves.

by Babbalynski on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

Inferior mutagen?

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions

That's just science.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 13, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions

shredder did wear k state colors

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

I want to know how this is not green!

I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!

by MizzouRah04 on Jan 13, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions

because the turtles were taught and the warthog and rhino were not

hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

As long as I can bring a bunch of scantily clad, big breasted ladies

A bunch of booze and some random dude that nobody will remember his name that happens to have a skin color that will contrast the snow and hates swimming.
Deal?

by McZou on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs