Rock M Roundtable!

1 - Time for your weekly expectations question! Have the results of the last week of Big 12 basketball done much to change your perceptions of the Big 12 hierarchy?
2 - What does Missouri have to do to beat Baylor in Waco on Saturday?
3 - Self-share!, etc., but last week I shared my 100 favorite games of the 2011 season. Give me your own two or three favorites.
4 - So YouTube is attempting to launch 100 new "channels" (including one from SB Nation) with professionally-produced content. Obviously YouTube use is skyrocketing, but what is the ceiling here? Exactly how much do you see YouTube (and internet streaming in general) hurting network and/or cable television?
The Beef: 1. I don’t think my mind has changed too much about the hierarchy, in that I believe we are still probably the 3rd best team in the league when all is said and done. I think Baylor has the best athletes, but their coaching and lack of discipline is going to hold them back. And, like Bill said yesterday, you never bet against a streak. No one who is highly ranked goes into Lawrence and wins (if anyone does win there, it seems to be some sort of upset by a lesser-considered team). Now, I think kU may certainly trip up a time or two on the road (unless Taylor has turned a corner and decided he will just score 20+ per game and never try to pass, making him less likely to turn the ball over), but in the end, the road to the title will go through kU and I don’t believe anyone will knock them off. I think we will get separation by beating kSU at home and tripping up less against other folks along the way.
2. Score more points? Honestly…I really don’t know. They HAVE to hit their shots and they will HAVE to hold their own on the boards. But that is so generic that if you do that in any game, you’d probably win. They are just so long, and we are just so NOT long that I don’t see us necessarily in control of the outcome here. Strange to say that about the #5 team in the country I realize…but they are just a matchup nightmare for us in my eyes.
3. The Okie State/ISU game ranks up there for me along with some of the MAC-tion that I saw during the year. I saw a lot of the Okie State/kSU game as well, so I’d throw that in there. I did not see much of BU/TCU or MSU/Wisc, but I would certainly include them as well.
4. At this point, nothing can hurt CBS from a programming standpoint. At this point, everything hurts NBC in the same light. In the end, digital service providers will come to integrate as much online content as they can to give them the best chance of retaining as many customers as they can as others continue to cut the cord. In an increasing digital world, people connected to TV via the Coax cable in their house will slowly minimize over time (just as it did from the antenna). And while I imagine internet usage will continue to grow, I think some will realize that people are watching Youtube and their TV’s at the same time. I don’t think cable/network TV goes the way of the do-do any time soon, but it will certainly evolve.
Michael Atchison: 1. It seems that Kansas remains good at basketball. I’m not down on Baylor, though. They’re really good, but they got rattled by the run at AFH. It’s amazing how quickly the top three teams have separated themselves from everyone else. Five games in, and seven teams have been eliminated from title contention.
2. To win at Baylor, Mizzou has to make shots, get in the middle of Baylor’s zone, and find some way not to get crushed on the glass.
3. I liked the one where Missouri beat Kansas and the one where Missouri beat Texas.
4. I’m supposed to look into the future of entertainment delivery? Am I in the right place? The ceiling is high, but I still think there’s a value and attachment to mass culture that isn’t going away. People like to have shared experiences. I have no clue, really.
Doug: 1 - Based on the last week of performances, my rankings stand as 1) KU 2) MU 3) Baylor 4) Iowa State 5) K-State 6) Texas 7) Texas A&M 8) Texas Tech 9) Oklahoma 10) Oklahoma State
2 - Shockingly, Grantland of all places had a very detailed breakdown of how KU attack Baylor's zone, and man-to-man.
As the guy says, though, it's one thing to know how to break down the defense, it's another thing entirely to have the intelligence and skills to do so. I think Missouri can shoot out of a zone better than KU. But, they won't be able to attack the middle of the zone quite as well as Kansas. That said, twice now the Tigers will be coming in against a team KU railroaded the game before, and I do apologize for that.
No, I don't.
3 - Certainly, I enjoyed the Northern Illinois-KU game, if only because it was an exciting ending and the last little bit of success Kansas would have on the football field that season. And, while it wasn't a game, I really enjoyed the day immediately after the season when KU made the smart move to eat $6 million and get rid of Turner Gill.
Also, Bill, I think you have the Oklahoma-Baylor game too low. Remember, Baylor was going to play for overtime when Bob Stoops called timeout after Baylor's first knee. After that, RG3 preceded to destroy the Sooners so, so quickly.
4 - Cable is hurting itself without any help. Higher fees, poor customer services, crap DVRs (I still hate being a Comcast customer). However, the ceiling will always be, what's the quality of the videos? No offense to Bill, but if the majority of SB Nation YouTube vids are him sitting in front of a webcam talking about F/+ rankings, I don't have a lot of hope for it.
Michael Atchison: That piece is right on about how Kansas exploited Baylor’s zone. I didn’t get to see a lot of that game (I was on my way back to KC from Columbia at the start, and then putting kids to bed), but when I did watch, there was a gaping hole in the zone at the free throw line. That’s like playing no zone at all. Once you flash a guy to the middle and get him the ball, the zone is toast. And Kansas did that repeatedly.
Doug: Baylor plays zone, and really, the only reason it's moderately successful in conference play is because no one else use it for extended game action. In reality, Baylor's zone can be beaten pretty easily if you have the horses. Scott Drew just doesn't have the same suffocating zone style that Boeheim uses at Syracuse.
Also, Bill Self and Scott Drew's post-game handshake: quickest ever?
ZouDave: 1 – Well, if nothing else it tells me to not bet against a streak no matter how much I want it to end. I still absolutely expect Mizzou to finish Top 3 in conference, we have a great chance at finishing Top 2, and there’s still an outside shot we finish 1st. Saturday will do a lot to tell us where we are.
2 – Disciplined offense. Work for good shots, don’t get in a hurry, and don’t be careless. Baylor is going to score on us; their offense is too good and they’re at home so we’re not going to hold them down. But I think we can answer them by just playing smart and being what Missouri has been all year. We pass the ball extremely well and take good shots. Do that. Baylor’s defense isn’t good enough to stop us without our help.
3 – Eh…I can’t really even say. I know that Alabama vs LSU isn’t appearing anywhere on my list, either their first or second matchup.
4 – I think streaming is going to eventually give us a major change in the way cable and satellite companies provide television channels. It’s already completely feasible to dump your cable TV package in favor of having Hulu+, Netflix, Crackle, ESPN3, etc. Fox Soccer Channel already has a streaming option as well, so I can’t help but think FSN isn’t too far behind. MLB-TV gives you a great option as well. CNN, FoxNews, and other major news networks also have streaming options available for devices like the Roku (of which I own one and it’s awesome). With local channels being available OTA with a very inexpensive HDTV antenna you can get local news and other local shows without cable. Microsoft is planning something called Microsoft TV with their next iteration of the XBOX, and it’s going to include some patented DVR technology. I don’t necessarily know where YouTube fits into all of this, but I know we wouldn’t be where we are without YouTube proving the viability of on-demand video service and the potential of flash to provide HD video so easily.
Eventually, cable and satellite networks may be forced to provide a la carte channel lineups. As soon as Google Fiber is available to residents in Kansas City (soon…very soon) I will probably get completely out of the Time Warner kung-fu grip and be nothing but an internet customer.
RPT: 1. It's Kansas. It's always Kansas. Baylor and Missouri have the burden of proof.
2. Another 28-2 run wouldn't hurt. Mizzou is going to need to counter runs with runs. I don't trust the defense to slow Baylor down, so the shots better fall.
3. The one that sticks out most in my mind is Wisconsin/Michigan State, if only because I will always remember watching it at an Ohio State bar/bowling alley in Charlotte, North Carolina (what an odd arrangement of words in that sentence).
TCU-Baylor is up there as well, and give me the Toledo/Air Force Military Bowl as my wild card.
4. I fully subscribe to Mark Cuban's theory of "best screen available" when it comes to video consumption. I want my big screen HD content, unless I can only get to a computer, and if that isn't an option, I'll settle for mobile. I still can't see it as a massive threat to legacy television, especially because what's to stop DirecTV or someone else from paying YouTube to put their content on a dedicated YouTube TV channel in the future? There's dollars to be made somehow there.
SleepyFloyd7: 1 - KU won't lose at home - Baylor and Mizzou might lost a game at home. It's KU.
2 - Grow 3 inches? I'm not that optimistic about this particular basketball game.
3 - The OK State-K-State game was unbelievable. Watching those two teams throw haymakers down the stretch was unforgettable. The fact that it was going on at the same time as the Bama-LSU "Game-o-the-Century" was absolute poetry. Contrast breeds appreciation, and I appreciate touchdowns.
Honorable mention to Mizzou-UNC in the Independance Bowl which I had to watch in Spanish. The fact that I had giant Rum & Cokes lined up like planes coming into Lambert helped, I'm sure. That and Zaviar Gooden.
4 - I'm just now getting caught up on Breaking Bad on Netflix Instant. How the hell am I ever going to get caught up? The only live television I watch is Sports. I will wait to see what is worthwhile in the popular cultural zeitgeist, and consume it à la carte.
And whatever our entertainment future holds, It will be OK as long as there is CatLab:
ZouDave:

ghtd36: Ahoyhoy, gentlemen.
1 - Really, not at all. I think it's Baylor and Kansas 1-2 in some order, followed by Mizzou and Kansas State in some order, followed by, um, everyone else. The results of the past week really only served to confirm that.
2 - I'm kind of with Beef: I could lay out a plan, but it would sound exactly like how you beat ANY team. Force some turnovers. Hit your jumpers. Be at least pretty good on the boards. Also, while we're at it, show some grit and hustle and want-to and other intangibles. Take it one possession at a time.
3 - Baylor-TCU is an outstanding choice for No. 1; and the fact that it was basically the first game of the college football season made it even awesomer. Also a big fan of Oklahoma State's win over Kansas State, Wisconsin losing on a Hail Mary, and the Joe Adams punt return (not the game, just that play).
4 - Hopefully, this will force cable companies to adapt to a more a la carte system, where individuals choose which channels they want to subscribe to. For example: I do not need Fox Soccer Channel. I know, I know, I'm angering some of the soccer aficionados in here, but if I had a choice, I wouldn't pay the subscription fee to that. Yet, I'd definitely pay for HBO, Showtime, etc....except my cable bill is already so high that I can't afford those. Instead, I'm stuck watching FC Milan play Whositsville. Competition breeds better service, and hopefully this will serve as a way of letting cable companies know that the old strategy ain't working.
ZouDave: It’s Real Whositsville, sir.
Michael Atchison: Actually, Greg, I don’t think you’re ever going to get a la carte cable. It’s like Netflix or internet – paying a subscription gives you access to everything, not just the things you want to watch. I followed an interesting back-and-forth on this a few weeks ago on Andrew Sullivan’s site, and the upshot is that, at best, your cable bill might go down by 10-15% but you’d lose more than 75% of your options. You might have to pay $30 a month for ESPN alone. You probably stumble upon enjoy things that are on channels you’d never subscribe to a la carte. Would Mad Men or Breaking Bad have happened if AMC were a subscription service? I doubt it.
But back to the important stuff. Have you ever caused Mizzou to lose by not wearing a lucky shirt or by watching with the wrong group of people? I know I have. Casey caused the Packers to lose on Sunday by putting sparkles on her nails and by wearing her Clay Matthews jersey instead of her Aaron Rodgers jersey:
ZouDave: Fake. Or, at least, staged.
But my dad and I are 0-for-life if we watch a Mizzou game with his lifelong friend Joe Armstrong. We had the opportunity to watch the basketball game against Texas with him on Saturday and we declined.
You’re welcome.
Michael Atchison: I think the word you were looking for was "drunk," not "fake."
SleepyFloyd7: That reminds me not to wear my sparkle gold nail polish on Saturday morning.
ZouDave: Word is that Pinkel and Staff are in Springfield today visiting Hillcrest HS and one Dorial Green-Beckham.
DGB is supposed to visit Arkansas this weekend and Missouri next weekend, and will have a signing ceremony at Hillcrest at 3:15pm on Signing Day, 2/1/12.
DGB had a pretty good tournament at the Tournament of Champions in Springfield this past weekend. He averaged about 23ppg including a 31-point effort on the last day and added about 10rpg as well. Dorial could definitely play high level D1 basketball if he chose to.
Michael Atchison: And here’s a video that Kris (Kardashian) Jenner made for her 30th birthday:
Watch for an appearance by a certain incarcerated ex-NFL great.
For the younger crowd, here’s the inspiration:
ghtd36: Craig James is polling at 4% here in Texas. (http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/01/texas-senate-poll-dewhurst-leads-cruz-gains-james-struggles/)
So at least four percent of people haven't heard the vicious and untrue rumor that CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS AT SMU.
ZouDave: I can’t hear "I Love LA" without thinking of this:
Doug: "Call girls! They were call girls!"
"No, Craig, when they're dead, they're just hookers!"
ZouDave:
Archer references always get a Rec from me!
NEW SEASON STARTS TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!
Michael Atchison: In yet another non sequitur, you can now stream Craig Finn’s solo album here.
I know that at least (and perhaps, at most) Bill will be interested.
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I didn't even have to watch the Jenner video to know
OJ Simpson was the main attraction.
1 – No. It’s always appeared to be 1) KU 2) some team with a bunch of talent (Texa’s Kevin Durant, Oklahoma’s Blake Griffin, Baylor’s PJ3) 3) Mizzou when we’re playing well 4) K-State
2 – Totally pulling crap out of my rear: play two post game where Steeeeeeeve Moore does his best Thomas Robinson impersonation and Flip, Denmon and English force Baylor to adapt to their smaller play-style.
3 – No one but me, it appears, liked the National Championship game (not as the number 1 game) but:
BCS title game gets a 13.8 overnight > 12.7 Game 6 of the 2011 World Series.
So the most “boring” National Championship Game in the “BCS era” still did better than the most entertaining MLB game in recent history:
While at the same time people complain about Baylor and Washington being a track meet. I don’t think some fans know how to appreciate watching football anymore. /rant
4 – I cut the cord a couple months ago because I realized I was only paying for cable to watch football and through some means I had discovered a way to watch all the games I cared to watch from my computer. The really good games I will end up watching with friends at their house or at a bar which just adds to the experience. I don’t ever think we could move to an ala carte style of cable viewing because much of the expenses are hidden in the overall cost. If there were reliable content online for a fee I would gladly pay for it and consider paying extra for HD content. I just don’t think the current infrastructure is designed to embrace the changes in technology.
You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.
Its AC Milan, not FC...
by searchyourfeelingsyouknowittobetrue on Jan 18, 2012 7:28 PM CST reply actions
so RPT
I fully subscribe to Mark Cuban’s theory of “best screen available” when it comes to video consumption. I want my big screen HD content, unless I can only get to a computer, and if that isn’t an option, I’ll settle for mobile.
I don’t disagree with you at all here, but there are plenty of options to push computer content to a big-screen. i use a Mac mini as a home theater PC and push Hulu and Netflix to it with no problem. Or you can use any one of a variety of PCs with XBMC or something similar installed, or an Xbox, or something like that (I use the mini basically because mrsjst is familiar with the Mac interface and can run it off her iPhone). So it’s not really an either/or any longer. Were it not for wanting to get live Mizzou sports, I would get rid of cable entirely.
Fair point.
Having used several of those methods there remains a gap in quality in the product. That gap, of course, continues to shrink though…
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by Gaknar on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Network and Cable Died...
Someone would have to tell me.
I watch games in bars, or on my laptop. Netflix keeps my big screen useful.
I suppose, in a few years, I’d run out of DVDs to borrow, then I might catch on to the lack of TV.
Maybe the awful celebrity obsession would drop off some, but I doubt it.
Roku is a good alternative to cable
Hulu Plus and Netflicks combo is a nice way too go.
by McZou on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Crimson and Cream Machine is taking OU out of the running for DGB...
…after a Power Mizzou ($) article confirming that DGB is visiting Arkansas this weekend and Mizzou next weekend, which is the final weekend before National Signing Day.
I don’t know about you, but I like the idea of being in his final three, AND being the last school to have him on campus for the “official” visit.
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
I think most feel good in saying it really is a final two at this point
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I hope so myself, but the folks in burnt orange somehow believe they are in the final two...
…even with their run-centric offense, execrable QB play, and long distance from Springfield.
Since Alabama and OU have unofficially been eliminated, I’ll be a pessimist and keep it at three, with my current Order of Merit being:
1. Arkansas, by a hair.
2. Missouri
3. Texas. Sure, they make little sense at this point, but they did receive an official visit.
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
Given recent precedent...
“[T]hey did receive an official visit” has been an almost ironclad sign of forthcoming good news for Texas fans. That program’s visit:commit ratio is flat out absurd.
Not saying that’s what’s happening here, but it at least justifies the line of thinking a little bit.
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Ours, however
Is not looking so good.
by Sheriff Blalock on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
I blame LHN
and will hear no so-called “facts” to dispute this claim
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
The good news: their visit was two months ago...two-and-a-half come NSD...
…while our visit will have only been half a week prior.
Here’s to hoping the loss Garrick McGee hurts the Piggies just enough. They had both McGee and Cinkovich assigned to Dorial as primary recruiters. Hopefully McGee was the one with the closest bonds with DGB. We need all the edges we can get.
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
Definitely a plus
Let Moe work is Mo Magic on him. That and look at our recent track record of QB’s and WR’s going to the next level. Keep it home DGB
Hilton Magic
in full effect tonight. OSU bungled that one away.
Nebraska beats Indiana
LOL
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
KY3 in Springfield says both Gary Pinkel and Bobby Petrino visited
Dorial at school today.
Petrino drove up, while Pinkel arrived via helicopter. Take a look.
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
Pinkel routinely arrives via helicopter
You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.
Winning formula
Duh #1 – Hit shots
Duh #2 – Rebound
Duh #3 – Stay out of foul trouble Mr. Ratliffe
Less Duh, perhaps, #4 – Penetrate and draw a ton of fouls. Take it right to their grill.
imho
Grantland article made an interesting pt. on the help-side defender not being able
to stop the drive. I think this is something that I would like to see Flip do more often. I would take my chances with Flip driving against an opposing big trying to stop Flip’s penetration any day. Most of the time, the help only does a token attempt at the stop and is really running back towards the basketball. Even if the big does a real attempt at guarding Flip, then I think we should iso Flip vs. the big. There is no way a big could shuffle his body fast enough without bumping Flip and giving up a foul. I guess what I am saying is, “Attack!” and relish the fact that you statutes can’t move very fast. Don’t pass the darn ball under those circumstances.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura

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