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COLUMBIA, MO - DECEMBER 15:  Ricardo Ratliffe #10 of the Missouri Tigers celebrates after scoring during the game against the Kennesaw State Owls on December 15, 2011 at Mizzou Arena in Columbia, Missouri.  (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

Mizzou Basketball Links

  • 'Cardo
    MUtigers.com: Ratliffe Named Big 12 Player of the Week
    The Trib: Ratliffe named Big 12 player of the week
    The Trib (Steve Walentik): Haith talks Ratliffe, Pressey and handling exposure

    On the improvement of Phil Pressey as a decision-maker …

    "He’s matured tremendously. I think he’s been a guy that has really watched a lot of tape, and he’s grown so much, and we stress this with our guys, because we have good ball skills and basically two point guards — him and Mike Dixon — with four minutes left in the game, if we’re in play, we should have a good chance to be right where we need to be at the end of the game because those guys have got great ball skills and decision-making and being able to execute offense and make free throws, which you have to do down the stretch. He’s developing and gotten better in all those areas, and I know he was a freshman last year. So he’s a year older, and he’s gotten a lot better with his poise, with his understanding of what we want to do offensively and has just been an outstanding … I mean, I think Phil’s got to be considered on of the top point guards — and I know by this time next year will be — in the country."

    ESPN.com: Ricardo Ratliffe efficient for Mizzou
  • No. 2
    The Missourian: PHOTO GALLERY: Missouri rises to No. 2 in AP polls
    KC Star: Missouri Tigers see their stock rise to No. 2
    Post-Dispatch: MU confronts unusual foe: success
    Post-Dispatch (Bryan Burwell): No need to qualify praise, MU is that good

    We have seen snippets of [toughness] all season from Mizzou, but last Saturday was the first game in which I saw it all game long. I have been covering sports a long time, and I've seen this sort of effort on occasion. I saw it late last summer and into the fall with the Cardinals. It's that elusive quality that all championship teams possess.

    It's one of the reasons they execute their offense so well and make you forget that their lack of size is supposed to be some sort of handicap. Haith knew all along that his team was not going to suddenly hit a miracle growth spurt during the season, so he has continued to emphasize all along that the strength of this team will be full effort and executing their offense to near perfection.

    "It's like a great marriage," Haith says. "You can't have one without the other. I don't know if Ricardo (Ratliffe) would have this great play if we didn't have good guards, and I don't know if our guards would be as good as they are if we didn't have a low-post presence."

    PowerMizzou: On the Rise

Other Basketball Links

  • KU > ATM
    Rock Chalk Talk: Kansas Sluggish In Win Over Texas A&M
    KC Star: KU grinds out 64-54 win over Texas A&M

Mizzou Football Links

  • Recruiting
    SB Nation (Self-Share): You Just Signed The No. 1 Recruiting Class In The Country! Now What?
    TampaBay.com: Conference realignment changes landscape of the recruiting game

    [Sean] Culkin said he first heard from the Tigers after their move to the SEC became official in the fall. Coaches told him they began searching for players in their new region.

    "My name came up, and they wanted to make a visit," Culkin said. "They saw me and immediately offered there."

    Tampa Bay is already becoming an important part of Missouri’s recruiting with a handful of area players receiving offers, said DeArmond, publisher of PowerMizzou.com. Nick Otterbacher, the school’s director of football recruiting, is a Tampa native. Instead of thriving on Texas recruits that the Longhorns passed up, the Tigers will begin feasting on Tampa prospects the Gators don’t want.

    "There’s no delusion they’re going to get a kid from Tampa that has a Florida offer," DeArmond said.

    But BCS-quality players like Culkin that the Gators don’t offer are Tiger bait.

    Austin American-Statesman: Dorial Green-Beckham stakes rising for Horns, Sooners, other hopefuls
    Mr. SEC: Recruiting Rankings Do Matter ... If You Know How To Look At Them
  • Eggo
    Post-Dispatch: Michael Egnew has his Senior moment
    NFL.com: QB, TE among positions of interest at Senior Bowl

    2. Who is the next Jimmy Graham?
    The copycat nature of the NFL will lead scouts and coaches to spend most of the week searching for a big, athletic tight end with the ability to create mismatches in the passing game.

    Stanford's Coby Fleener and Missouri's Michael Egnew enter the week with the biggest fanfare after their highly decorated careers, but they also have the games to match the hype. Both are polished pass catchers with sneaky speed and athleticism, and their natural ability should shine as deep middle threats.

Other Football Links

SEC

  • Neat, If Quite Dubious, Math
    Outkick the Coverage: Texas A&M and Missouri worth at least $114 million a year to SEC Network
  • KC
    The Missourian: Missouri athletics has future in Kansas City, leaders say
  • Buyouts
    Dallas Morning News: Texas A&M board of regents grants Loftin ability to negotiate exit with Big 12
  • Thanks For A Fun Series, Trrip
    SimmonsField.com: SEC Dixie-nary: Z is for Zero

Other Mizzou Links

  • Mizzou Gymnastics
    MUtigers.com: Tigers Move up to the No. 20 in the Nation
    The Maneater: Burke looks for perfect dismount to career
  • Mizzou Tennis
    The Trib: Missouri freshman tennis player Clark adjusts to life in the U.S.

Other

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    Warming Glow: Ten Most Annoying 'SNL' Recurring Characters

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Question about Haith

the article by Vahe Gregorian “Mizzou confronts an unusual foe” states

the accusation of a recruiting violation by Haith at Miami (yet to be substantiated or dismissed)

I thought we had a resolution to this but I can’t seem to find anything, anyone care to enlighten me?

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

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by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 AM CST reply actions  

The best we have

is that the NCAA has cleared DeQuan Jones to play. Since the allegations of violations regarding Haith relate to an alleged cash payment to Jones, the fact that the NCAA has declared him eligible would appear to bode well.

(This is also supported by the timeline of Jones’ recruitment, which seems inconsistent with the allegations Shapiro makes in the Yahoo story. In sum, Jones actually committed long before the alleged payment was requested or made).

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 AM CST up reply actions  

No kidding

I’ve probably read that article five or six times between yesterday and today, and sent it to most of my family.

For those unfamiliar with how great Spencer can be when he’s waxing philosophical, I recommend this and this.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

read it for the first time just now, but it probably won’t be the last

I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard

by Logan Hill on Jan 24, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I was fighting back tears after reading the second one

Thank you Spencer.

"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales

by MizzouRugby on Jan 25, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Reading it right now

Profound.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Nicholas Fehn

The worst. But there are so many bad ones to choose from. And then there are ones you like that appear twice and then never again.

by AlaTiger on Jan 24, 2012 7:42 AM CST reply actions  

I heard that.

How about Jan and Garth? It’s the exact same skit every time!

On the other hand, one of my favorites was David Paterson. Politically incorrect? Yes. Funny? Yes. Makes fun of my sister’s adopted home state? Yes, sir!

Also, if you haven’t seen it, Ben Affleck’s Target Lady skit is one of the joys of life.

by u2nspenserfan on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

that's Wiig for you

She does nothing halfway. The characters are brilliant and the writing is awesome, or they are dreadful, and the writing is 7 minutes of pain.

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Paterson was great.

In general, Armisen is almost always endearing and almost never actually funny. It’s odd.

by Bill C. on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen Portlandia?

I watched Season 1 last night on Netflix and I really enjoyed it. There were times I didn’t laugh at all and there were other times I on the floor laughing. I’ve never been to Portland but the show definitely reminds me of some of the people I met in Austin.

by Scott Phillips on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Saw one of the recent episodes on IFC...

…and it was apparently one of the “didn’t laugh at all” episodes.

by Bill C. on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

It's hit and miss for sure

…but last year’s “Adult Hide and Go Seek League” concept was pretty inspired. The hipster wedding planning skit they did last week kinda floored me, and did sorta remind me of a couple weddings I went to in Brooklyn back in the day.

http://www.ifc.com/portlandia/videos/portlandia-cool-wedding

The show, pretty clearly, is not for everyone, although plenty of comedy, whether it be the Blue Collar guys or Woody Allen, is definitely playing to particular ways of viewing the world. Frankly, the problem with a lot of SNL stuff is that it tries to be all things to all people.

by Professor Chaos on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Portlandia is that style of show where there are skits that

are not funny, or do not enduce laughter.

…but if you have ever lived in Portland or the north west coast of the U.S. those un-funny skits have you yelling at the TV because….THAT JUST HAPPENED TO ME!!

It’s one of the strangest things, one skit I’m crying, the next I’m telling the wife about that one time last week when a ……

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I couldn't agree more

The “have you read” skit from Season 1 reminded me so much of the “sh!t New Yorkers say” video on YouTube.

by Scott Phillips on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I firmly believe that Fred Armisen and Chris Kattan's careers

have been a cruel joke played on us by some sort of forgotten Mesopotamian trickster god. It’s the only plausible explanation for how they remain employed without ever being funny.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Chris Kattan

is great as a supporting actor, that’s about it

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I REC this. I don't hate the guy.

He just isn’t funny.

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Great article about the 49ers in the journal today.

Hope it’s not a subscriber-only article…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203806504577179120491199182.html

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Jan 24, 2012 7:55 AM CST reply actions  

I clicked and read it

I hope Murdoch doesn’t hunt me down.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

The bitter pill of this article is that both of the Mizzou Smith's sacks

Were negated by Kyle Williams punt fumbles. That defense played so spectacularly but had nothing to show for their considerable efforts.

Then we learn that there may be something to the “concussion” problem beyond the long-term medical risks when Giant WR Devin Thomas came right out and said:

“He’s had a lot of concussions … We gotta put a hit on that guy.”

Which tends to reinforce the “hit to injure” mentality popularized by players like James Harrison, Rodney Harrison or Charles Martin. I don’t think this particular incident compares directly, but it somewhat highlights the undercurrent in some coaching/playing philosophies.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

They were talking about this on 810 this morning

Multiple Giants player said something along those lines, which meant they had been coached about this during the week. If the league doesn’t respond in some way, then the whole thing is just a joke.

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Tigers!

If listening to sports radio is your thing, there are interviews with Kim & John Sundvold from yesterday:

810 Sports Podcast (Kietzman warning)

by tigers and chiefs fan on Jan 24, 2012 7:58 AM CST reply actions  

I'd liked to piggy back on this comment and ask Bill if he can recommend any great Podcasts

It’s hard to find ones really worth listening to PAWWWWWWL

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry

The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.

by SleepyFloyd7 on Jan 24, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

every time i see this face i want to punch a child

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

"Kansas, meanwhile, failed to capitalize."

Bill C. I trust you had as much fun typing that as I had reading it (over and over).

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets

by 1Believer on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

look at that tony mitchell blurb

right below the ricardo ratliffe one on espn….just mocking us

by njs24 on Jan 24, 2012 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

Do you really want Dana Carvey's Church lady on that list?

Or was the author inspired by….. SATAN?

Also, the ladies man had no business being listed.

by SEC Supremacist on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

agreed and seconded!

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your agreement

I think the author gave something away when he pointed out that the Church Lady character was older than he is. A lot of the older sketches you just had to be there for.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh man...

Yeah… that’s before my time… but yeah… you’d never get away with that today.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe...

Will Ferrell and Chris Rock could pull it off.

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Chris Rock for sure

But you’d need someone who was more of a straight man for the Chevy Chase roll. Kevin Nealon would probably be the best person I can think of who was on SNL quasi-recently

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the author was trying to say that the Church Lady got overrused

good at 1st and then just beaten into the ground. Which isn’t that far off. I don’t think it was a “worst recurring characters” list but a list of characters who would have been better suited to a smaller amount of exposure.

But yeah, the Church Lady was pretty remarkable.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

That's probably true for all SNL characters

They’re all kind of one-trick ponies. Actually, if you watched enough SNL you could probably pick out where they reused tropes with different cast members.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

Mango should have been #1. That one character always creeped me out.

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

i actually enjoyed the mango

I thought it was pretty funny

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

those two are not mutually exclusive

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

.

The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.

by SleepyFloyd7 on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

today it is, yesterday...not so much.

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Yesterday was bizzarro RMN

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Reading that after all the dust had settled

Was really odd. Some of the posts were obviously missing but I think it was handled pretty well.

Still, I haven’t been around for that kind of anger on here.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

i live that kind of anger

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I saw it from the beginning.

The posts deleted were basically the one guy flipping out. I also thought it was handled well. No fighting fire with fire which is good because that just makes things blaze out of control.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw that and respected that

And its one of the reasons I love RMN. Bill C and his awesome content and level headed approach and the community who known and love MU sports as much as I do.

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

my other personalities would speak out

so to answer your question, no. No was not.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll rec that based purely on effort

You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.

by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll take

I’m certainly not getting rec’s based on skill.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to take that as a compliment

and ignore the fact that there is an implication that some sort of insanity or mental deficiency lead me to that post.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a compliment

In order for your mind to go there, you would have to be familiar with the original quote and its historical context, which I don’t think 90% of the general population would be.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I hesitate to further this

because of Godwin’s Law, but I liked it and I’m German so it’s okay right?

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by Fullback U on Jan 24, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Slow day in court?

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

research day today

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope, thats code for working in IT

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah ZING!

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

it means reading in depth about fiduciary duties

etc and then taking a break before my mind explodes.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

heee heee heee.

You said fiduciary. hee hee hee

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lawyer potty humor?

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

what kinds of web?

Web of lies? Web of deceit? Spider webs?

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Reply

come now, Doc. You’d know if drewder was Lasciel.

/Dresden reference for the week. I promise I’ll avoid any more unwarranted ones.

by Babbalynski on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

oh, that's AWESOME

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

QUESTION

what do you think is the angle Jim is going to play when Harry appears to Murphy and Molly for the first time alive and cold?

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Man, I have NO idea.

There’ll be a LOT of anger. I’m pretty sure of that. Especially from those two. Murphy seems to have hardened enough she might let it permanently affect their relationship. I don’t really have any idea how Molly will work. However, did you notice the inconsistency in Morty’s dwelling between Dead Beat and Ghost Story? There might be space-time issues going on, which would lead to all the characterizations of GS being somewhat invalid.

by Babbalynski on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

But didn't they say in Dead Beat

that Mort was getting his talent back. By the time Ghost Story went down, five some years would have passed. Mort could have just completely embraced it, and therefore decided to ditch all the stupid jazz.

I started the series again, and starting to see some things that I missed the first few times. Harry is huge dick, for one. Secondly, I worry that his power with Winter is going to come back at him. He’s already declared his intent to destroy Lara and Marva. Those two might just attack everyone to spite him.

Murphy’s going to be pissed, but she’ll take up a sword. Molly is a flip of a coin. She buys into this (cause she knew about it, which may explain her further decent into madness in Ghost Story), but she may do some kind of battle with him.

In the end, he gets out of this through some stupid technicality.

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by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I just find it odd

that Mort would move back into the house he moved out of. It’s definitely possible, but not expected.

I’d also argue that Harry can be a dick. He isn’t always. He just lets his idealism get the better of his common sense, sometimes.

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If death itself couldn’t get him out of the bargain, I don’t see any other technicality doing the trick, either.

by Babbalynski on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

yes all of these.

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

great

now I’m not going to be able to read any of these cases without laughing.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm doing stuff

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

you've been on reddit all day, havent you?

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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

yep research

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

finish your bike already

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this a directive or a question?

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

both

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to. My taxes on the property I still own in CoMo has slowed my down.

I did pick up a set of new 105 brifters off eBay the other day for $175

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

nice, that's a good deal

those things are normally around $300 aren’t they?

I can’t remember if you are doing a triple front or not. I know you aren’t doing a compact.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I like to make things harder I'm going Double

yes it was a very good deal. They were take offs from a new bike a guy upgraded one he bought to Ultegra.

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by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I do a double myself

just not enough hills steep enough to justify carrying around the extra weight on the bike

/downs a double cheeseburger, large fries, large Coke and an apple pie.

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

you sticking with a Shimano 105 for the cassette?

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

now you're just getting fancy

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by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha I know!

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

is this the lightest bell you have?

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

in the gonewild area?

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I have ever been on reddit in my entire life

I should probably check it out. What’s all the hub-bub about?

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

it is pretty addicting

but only go on it on your personal computer, do not, i repeat, do not try to read reddit at work on a work pc.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

with flashing lights

and maybe a dead body outline?

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

How about a head??

Or an ankle??

"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales

by MizzouRugby on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

is it virusy or just NSFW?

because I’m quite positive that my boss doesn’t care

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

lots of nsfw

most of it is marked as such in red letters, but it can be extremely addictive especially if you understand the meme’s

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The Outfield's Your Love

Great song, or awesome song?

Upholding fine Mizzou traditions in Maryland.
MvP, RoC official Nemesis

by Ausgiano on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Definitely awesome.

But I had to look it up to remember it.

I turned 2 the year this song came out. Does that make me old?

by Babbalynski on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

KU fan here

I haven’t been following all of the SEC network rumors, so I don’t have a ton of context for the OKTC story, but it sounds like he’s saying that the SEC network would take all (almost all) of the games currently on ESPN and move them to the SEC network — and that this quantity of programming is why the SEC network will succeed in getting onto cable systems in the exact same market where the LHN has failed.

I don’t know how far along in the process they are, but it surprises me that a conference would take almost all of its high-quality games off of national distribution and put them onto a network that will only be on basic cable in the home region. I think the Big Ten Network was built using third tier games that weren’t getting on TV otherwise. Is the perception of the SEC that the money is worth more than the visibility or do they expect the SEC network to be carried nationally on basic cable?

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

I stopped reading at KU

I dont care to read anything by, about or from KU type individuals.

I have worked with some of the brightest minds in business, IT, medicine, real estate, hospitality, law, finance, and most importantly college sports.
#CakeForLife
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Not even your grocery list?

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I write the list and the wife gets the ingredients

Shes home most days in between classes so she has plenty of time to do the shopping.

I have worked with some of the brightest minds in business, IT, medicine, real estate, hospitality, law, finance, and most importantly college sports.
#CakeForLife
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I read what you have to say.

I usually disagree but you are generally pretty respectful.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

$1 billion dollars a year

Outkick the Coverage

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I can only read his articles so long before my eyes glaze over with all the unsubstantiated(but potentially true) assumptions

I think directionally he makes a good point, that the SEC network is coming, and it should have greater penetration(and therefore greater revenue) than other conference networks because of the fanatical fanbases, which combined with re-negotiating their total rights deal could make for a pretty big windfall. Once he starts trying to get to specifics, it becomes smile and nod time.

by Transmogrified Tiger on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

His math seems to consist entirely of assumptions, so I didn't address that

I’m more interested in the idea that the SEC would take almost all of its games off of national television. It surprises me that that’s a tradeoff that schools would favor.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm PRETTY sure that's not what he meant...

…I think he just meant that they would get their network up and running like the LHN, only for the entire conference. And that they would rake in the dough because all Texans and Missourians would demand it. I’m not saying that’s amazing logic, but I think that was the logic…

by Bill C. on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

but then technically they'd all be on ESPN except the one cbs game

freaking ESPN!

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#CakeForLife
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the distinction from the LHN was that the SEC network would have games people wanted to see

Maybe I’m just completely misunderstanding him, but I thought that the reason that the SEC Network would succeed in getting on basic cable in Texas where the LHN has failed is because the quantity of games the SEC network was offering would be overwhelming in a way that the LHN’s offering was not.

If it’s just the games that are on pay-per-view now plus coaches shows and non-revenue sports and old replays, I guess I’d be surprised to see it get picked up in Texas unless there’s something about the failure of LHN that I don’t really understand.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The theory is based upon new inventory

With the two new teams (and a potential nine game schedule) you will be able to keep all your existing games on ESPN, but generate additional conference games every week that you can show live on the SEC network (as the Big Ten does). Thus, unlike the LHN — which airs at most three games over the course of the season — you will have at least a couple of conference games on every week. Fans will thus see more value in the network and demand will accordingly rise.

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a good point

Adding A&M and MU adds 16 football games a year, I think (8 additional conference games, plus 4 non-conference games for each school). So, subtracting the 1 game per school holdback, I guess 14 would be available to the SEC network. I’m not clear on how many games are not being shown nationally right now, but I guess you could get to a point where the SEC network had a two games every week and three games some weeks without taking games off of national television.

I’m still deeply skeptical on his math, but at least I understand the concept now.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if he has doubled the math, I think the numbers are very impressive

And financially it shows that Mizzou has made the correct move.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if his numbers are right, his math is wrong

He’s confusing revenues (per subscriber payment from cable system operators) with profits (payments to the conference from the rights carrier). That’s a fairly egregious mistake.

Even if he’s right that all the cable companies in Texas will pay $1 per subscriber to carry the SEC network, the amount of money flowing to the schools is nowhere near what he claims because he’s failed to consider any of the expenses of running a network.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This is correct

and the above statement hurts to write

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife

by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

This is also why

People believe the Big Ten and Pac 12 are done expanding (absent interest from Notre Dame). They have found a way to increase their inventory for their respective networks (the nine-game season + the additional nonconference matchup) without the larger expense and integration of additional members.

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

How did they increase the inventory for their conference networks without expanding?

Or are you saying that the expansion they’ve done already has gotten them to the point that they have the optimal amount of inventory?

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Instead of having teams split into divisions, they all play eachohter

8 games in conference is less than 9, so they extra game is more inventory to sell

"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales

by MizzouRugby on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Plus splitting the rights to the games against each other as part of their nonconference arrangement.

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

currently each team in the SEC has their own rights to one home game per year

So, the SEC network could take those games and put them all on their network instead of the schools individually putting them on pay-per-view

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That part I get

(although OKTC seems to be assuming that those games wouldn’t be included in the SEC deal, at least at first), but I’m not following how the Big Ten-Pac 12 scheduling agreement increased the inventory for those conferences’ respective networks. It seems like the non-conference games that are being replaced by that series would have been available to the conference networks anyway, so the total inventory is unchanged.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not know

who gets the TV rights to nonconference games, particularly quality non-con games. But in any event, even if they already had rights, rights to a Pac-12/Big Ten noncon game must have more value than one between a Big Ten team and MAC foe.

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't know either

I assumed that schools controlled the rights to at least their home games. If they don’t, then adding schools doesn’t add much inventory (adding MU and A&M would only add 8 games).

I certainly agree that high-quality non-conference matchups are more valuable than low-quality non-conference matchups, but there is a little bit of a robbing Peter to pay Paul aspect here since keeping the high-quality games off the Tier One rights package reduces the value of those rights (either by having to buy the game back from the rightsholder or by getting lower bids in the first place).

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

8 games times 3 hours is a full day of programming

For a dedicated network, that’s a big deal. The problem Texas ran into was that in their haste to wall off their content, they forgot that they alone don’t actually have that much content. That’s why I’m inclined to think that once the Sooner Network is up, Oklahoma and Texas are going to start cutting deals with the other Big XII schools to get their content shown on the SN/LHN. Not ideal by any means, but at least it would be some extra cash.

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you mean?

I thought everyone wanted to watch Kansas-Texas football.

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

As hard as it is to believe, sometimes the people projecting money from TV rights are wrong

We’ll just have to see if OKTC knows more about the cable business than the folks at ESPN who set up LHN

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont know how they can know less

Of course hindsight is 20-20 and all that, but good god thats a mess they created.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Fox Sports certainly knows more about it considering that the Sooner Network already has a deal with them

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I am really not following the OKTC analysis

although I think Clay Travis is generally astute about most things SEC.

I have somewhat more confidence i the crew over at Mr. SEC, the founder of which I believe has an actual background in sports television negotiations. He also believes the SEC network was the driver of expansion, and that the SEC is well-positioned to learn from the mistakes the Big Ten made and capitalize on the increased inventory of games.

Certainly, the Big Ten network demonstrates that a conference-wide network can succeed and be lucrative; the single-school networks have yet to establish that proposition.

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

All good points

I agree with all of them.

It will be interesting from here to see whether the Big Ten or the cable operators gave too much away in the rollout of BTN. The Pac-12 deal is a significantly different structure that is hard to compare apples to apples to the BTN, but it sounds like the SEC is pursuing a BTN model. It will be interesting to see if prices per subscriber are higher, lower or the same for an SEC network as a BTN one. I also think it will be interesting to see if the SEC is able to copy the BTN’s state-based pricing. The assumption that they will, combined with Texas’ large population, is doing a tremendous amount of the work in OKTC’s model.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

May be posting too late for most to see it

But Mizzou got a very admiring write-up in Gasaway’s (free) post today over at Basketball Prospectus. I won’t quote it, so as not to rob him of the page views, but here’s the link.

by nycbirdo on Jan 24, 2012 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

pretty cool
GoodmanCBS Talked to an NBA scout today who said his favorite player to watch in the entire country — Missouri’s Phil Pressey. Ditto.

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

Deloss Dodds gives permission for Big XII tourney to stay in KC

Link

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 PM CST reply actions  

Ridiculous

Missouri screwed KC. Right?

by MU'97 on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Ebner's getting a fifth year!

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

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