Study Hall: Oklahoma State 79, Mizzou 72
Your Trifecta: Ratliffe-PPressey-Denmon, strangely enough. Though really, it was Ratliffe-Ratliffe-Ratliffe. Regardless, your winners: mizzou2396, K2theT, and leeaustex.
Between these two tweets and a text from a friend last night, rationalizing that he would rather have the Baylor win and the OSU loss, and not the other way around, I didn't feel too bad about this loss for too long. Things happen, and your team loses sometimes. As long as the response is strong, then you just move on. Of course, certain things are trending in the wrong direction with this team, so we'll still need to talk about that.
Oklahoma State 79, Mizzou 72
| Mizzou |
OSU | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) | 68.7 | |
| Points Per Minute | 1.80 | 1.98 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) | 1.05 | 1.15 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) | 1.11 | 1.52 |
| 2-PT FG% | 47.8% | 66.7% |
| 3-PT FG% | 21.1% | 38.5% |
| FT% | 88.9% | 85.7% |
| True Shooting % | 49.4% | 67.9% |
| Mizzou | OSU | |
| Assists | 8 | 14 |
| Steals | 11 | 7 |
| Turnovers | 10 | 17 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.90 | 1.31 |
| Mizzou | OSU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 14 | 8 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 13 | 5 |
| Difference | -1 | -3 |
Expectations And Reality Disagree Sometimes
For Missouri last night, Ricardo Ratliffe took 17 shots, Marcus Denmon took 16, Kim English and Phil Pressey took nine, Matt Pressey took seven, Mike Dixon took five, and Steve Moore took two. Using season-long per-shot averages for each player, that combination should have resulted in 96.2 points for Missouri.
For Oklahoma State, Le'Bryan Nash took 18 shots, Keiton Page took 12, Brian Williams took 11, Markel Brown took seven, Philip Jurick took three and Michael Cobbins took one. Using the same season-long per-shot averages, that combination should have resulted in 62.6 points for Oklahoma State.
Needless to say, that's not how things played out.
But on the bright side, there are no more miserable trips to Gallagher-Iba on the horizon. And yes, I will use that line for every road loss the rest of the year. (Not that there will be any more road losses, ahem...)
The Supporting Components Are In Place...
Earlier this season, we thought we had a pretty good read on things. Marcus Denmon and Kim English were going to score points, Phil Pressey was going to run the show, and the Mizzou defense was going to harass opponents mercilessly on the perimeter. Meanwhile, Mizzou was going to have a serious size disadvantage, and if opponents keyed on stopping Denmon and English, Matt Pressey would need to pick up some of the scoring load (and we were clearly unsure if that would happen). Lately, however, the supporting components we felt Mizzou needed have come ... and the constants we expected have faltered.
Expected Offensive Rebounds, Last Six Games: Mizzou -0.3/game, Opponents -0.7/game.
Ricardo Ratliffe: 17.3 PPG (73% FG, 82% FT)
Matt Pressey: 7.8 PPG (53% 3PT, 88% FT)
Mizzou is breaking even (or better) on the boards, they are winning the battle of the bigs for the most part, and Matt Pressey is making opponents pay dearly for leaving him open. Meanwhile, on 3-pointers, Marcus Denmon is shooting 26%, Kim English is shooting 22%, and opponents are shooting 46%. Mizzou is still making plenty of steals (8.3 per game in that span) and forcing turnovers (15.2 per game), but when they don't, opponents are getting really good looks; opponents' True Shooting % is 59.9% in this span, and they are averaging 1.11 points per possession.
Yes, there is some luck involved here. That 46% mark on 3-pointers includes Scott Christopherson's 60-footer, and it includes Baylor's final-minute hot streak (which came despite decent defense and included a 20-foot runner), and it includes Le'Bryan Nash's turn as Clarence Gilbert last night, in which he made three 3-pointers in a row, all of which were either pretty well-covered, stupid-long, or both. Still, if you were to take out seven 3-pointers from the total, opponents are still shooting 41 percent. It's still an issue.
The defensive glitches are most alarming, as we just have to assume Marcus Denmon will emerge from his slump at some point. But his jumper is absolutely off-kilter, and even though he's figuring out other ways to score (he's shooting 6.3 free throws per game in this six-game span), Mizzou's ceiling is lower when he's missing open 3-pointers. And he missed some open looks last night.
(Also alarming: Mike Dixon is shooting 18 percent on 3-pointers on the road. The basket is still the same height, guys.)
Four Pretty Awful Minutes
With 6:57 remaining, Markel Brown drew his second technical after his second monster dunk of the game. (I felt the second tech was probably a good call; I cannot say the same about the first one.) For upwards of ten minutes, Mizzou had squandered an opportunity to put the game away by falling into an offensive funk, but their defense had kept them ahead. Marcus Denmon made the two tech free throws, and after two misses and offensive rebounds, Ricardo Ratliffe went to the line and made two free throws to give Mizzou a 60-53 lead. Oklahoma State then scored 17 points in seven possessions.
- Le'Bryan Nash jumper. 60-55.
- Kim English missed jumper.
- Nash 3-pointer. 60-58, timeout Mizzou.
- Phil Pressey two free throws. 62-58.
- Brian Williams two free throws. 62-60.
- P. Pressey missed 3-pointer.
- Nash jumper. 62-62.
- P. Pressey tough layup. 64-62.
- Nash stupid-long 3-pointer. 64-65.
- M. Pressey missed tough layup.
- Nash stupider-longer 3-pointer, with no one underneath to rebound. 64-68, timeout Mizzou.
- English missed 3-pointer.
- Page jumper, 64-70.
That's a 17-4 run in 4:13, with 13 points from Nash (all on jumpers that he has spent a good portion of the year missing). Mizzou missed their opportunity with 10-15 minutes left, and OSU seized theirs with 2-6 left (while doing quite a few things you're not actually supposed to do). Stupid things happen on the road, and there were a lot of stupid things involved here, but that doesn't change the fact that Mizzou still had a chance to put the game away and forgot how to score.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 31.8 | 0.86 | 37 Min, 25 Pts (10-17 FG, 5-5 FT), 12 Reb (6 Off) |
| Phil Pressey | 10.9 | 0.31 | 35 Min, 10 Pts (4-9 FG, 0-3 3PT, 2-2 FT), 5 Reb, 4 Stl, 2 Ast, 3 TO |
| Marcus Denmon | 10.7 | 0.29 | 37 Min, 17 Pts (4-16 FG, 2-8 3PT, 7-8 FT), 4 Reb, 2 Stl, 3 TO |
| Matt Pressey | 10.6 | 0.39 | 27 Min, 8 Pts (2-7 FG, 2-4 3PT, 2-3 FT), 3 Stl, 2 Ast |
| Kim English | 5.2 | 0.15 | 35 Min, 8 Pts (4-9 FG, 0-3 3PT), 4 Reb (2 Off) |
| Steve Moore | 1.2 | 0.14 | 9 Min, 0 Pts (0-2 FG), 2 Reb |
| Mike Dixon | 0.7 | 0.03 | 20 Min, 4 Pts (2-5 FG, 0-1 3PT), 2 Reb, 2 Ast, 2 TO |
- Ricardo Ratliffe in conference play: 51-for-66 from the field (77.3%), 19-for-22 from the line (86.4%). That he 'only' went 10-for-17 (59%) yesterday was a bit jarring. But he still did his part, especially on the offensive glass.
- Phil Pressey made quite a few poor plays down the stretch, but I just cannot blame him for much. For the last ten minutes, he had gotten next to nothing from the rest of the Mizzou offense, and when that happens, he tries to make things happen himself. Sometimes it works, and often it doesn't.
- I said yesterday that we would know a lot about the game by what kind of contribution OSU's Philip Jurick was able to make. If Mizzou was running him off the court, they were probably in good shape. But if he had a good game, Mizzou was probably in trouble. I would call "24 minutes, six points (3-for-3 shooting) and eight rebounds" good, especially for Jurick.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Ratliffe | 26% | 53% | 1.7 | 0% | 80% | 16% | 5% |
| P. Pressey | 18% | 38% | 2.1 | 47% | 36% | 5% | 12% |
| Denmon | 29% | 29% | 2.4 | 19% | 53% | 18% | 10% |
| M. Pressey | 15% | 37% | 2.2 | 57% | 34% | 10% | 0% |
| English | 14% | 40% | 1.3 | 37% | 57% | 0% | 6% |
| Moore | 11% | 0% | 0.6 | 0% | 100% | 0% | 0% |
| Dixon | 17% | 34% | 2.7 | 63% | 27% | 0% | 11% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (Yes, a little too much higher perhaps.)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (Yes.)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes.)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (Yes.)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (No.)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes.)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (No.)
Three Keys Revisited
Road Things
As with every road game. Offensive rebounds, fouls and Phil Pressey. If those three things go in Mizzou's favor (or at least don't go against Mizzou), they are probably going to win.
Expected Offensive Rebounds: Mizzou -1, Oklahoma State -3
Fouls: Mizzou 14, Oklahoma State 12.
Phil Pressey: 10 points on nine shots, two assists, three turnovers, four steals.
Honestly, none of these went dramatically against Missouri. Like I said above, the minor details are trending nicely toward Mizzou ... and the major ones aren't necessarily moving in the right direction.
Manage Page
Nash takes more shots, but Keiton Page is the scariest player, simply because of what can happen when he is dialed in. He killed Mizzou last year, not with 3-point shooting (1-for-3), but with his ability to junk the game up and draw cheap fouls. He attempted nine free throws in last year's game, and both Phil Pressey and Mike Dixon ended up with four fouls; Dixon only played 15 minutes. If Page is controlling the game, OSU will stay in it.
Page scored only 12 points on 12 shots, but a) he had five assists and two steals with no turnovers, and b) he made the two biggest shots he took -- the "of course that went in" buzzer beater at the end of the first half, and the pull-up jumper with 2:18 left that gave OSU a six-point lead. He played well.
But as we know, actual play does not necessarily measure the impact Page can have on a game, especially at home. He is a Jason Sutherland- or Jarrod Haase-type, a player who will use every trick in the book to get in his opponent's head. Of course, Sutherland would actually get in someone's face at times; Page, on the other hand, uses more junior high techniques. On the play that, I believe, ended up in Nash's second 3-pointer, Page literally put his fingers in Matt Pressey's face in an attempt to draw him into reacting. Like, hand in face, move the fingers around. I almost rewound to record a GIF of it, but I was too mad. Forgive the language, but it was one of the bigger bitch moves I've ever seen during a competitive basketball game. (And, since he actually didn't really react, it proved that Matt Pressey is much more mature than I am.) I was almost embarrassed watching it. You've officially made me hate what has always been my second-favorite team, in my second-favorite venue, Keiton. Well done. Enjoy the CBE Classic.
Opening Rounds
In the opening minutes of Mizzou's win over Baylor, the Tigers were incredibly poised and under control. They came right out and perfectly picked apart Baylor's zone in the first couple of possessions, while the Bears started out with a couple of sloppy turnovers. Granted, it didn't make much of a difference on the scoreboard, but the Tigers proved immediately that they were prepared, calm and under control. If they do so again in the opening minutes tonight, I'll feel pretty good, even if OSU keeps up for a while.
Mizzou's offense was under control early on, but there were virtually immediate warning signs on the defensive side of the ball. Oklahoma State experienced quite a bit of success splitting the double-team when Ricardo Ratliffe was flashing out on the perimeter, and the 18-footers were falling. OSU was, for the most part, taking exactly the shots I wanted them to take, and they were going in. They would cool off, but clearly those early jumpers gave Nash some confidence for what he would do later on.
Summary
Here's where I remind myself that Missouri is 18-2 ... and road losses happen to almost everybody ... and Marcus Denmon won't always shoot like this ... and neither will opponents. And I'll be right on all cases. But let's still hope for an epic blood-letting against Texas Tech on Saturday to get rid of this general annoyance. I hate quite a bit about basketball (in a loving way, of course), but one thing you have to like is that you almost always get a chance to rebound in just a few days.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I won the trifecta and Mizzou still controls its own destiny in Big 12 play. Heck of a morning!
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
YAAAAAAY!
I also am a winner of the trifecta!!!!!!
Here’s where I remind myself that Missouri is 18-2 … and road losses happen to almost everybody … and Marcus Denmon won’t always shoot like this … and neither will opponents
That’s almost, verbatim, what I told my dad last night.
Proud kanscist
#teamchilipie
I won too!!!!
and you guys are way more “glass half full” than I am right now.
It's not about the "glass half full" or "half empty"
It’s choosing the right size glass to begin with.
by McZou on Jan 26, 2012 11:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Was that Page antic after he set a screen, and he and Pressey were by themselves near the bottom of the TV screen?
I thought I saw Pressey gesturing about something, but figured it was Page setting a crummy screen or something.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions
Yep.
Exactly when it was.
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There was also a play where Page came off a screen without the ball
and elbowed Denmon(?) directly under the arm pit with his arm cocked and head lowered. Denmon was pushed into the air.
At least I think that I saw that. It could have all just been red for me at that point though.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, i saw a few of those
It just adds more to my hatred for Page.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I forgot his name...
so when I was reading the Study Hall I was thinking, who is this guy.
Then I turned on the TV.
RAEG!!!
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Meanwhile, on 3-pointers, Marcus Denmon is shooting 26%, Kim English is shooting 22%, and opponents are shooting 46%. Mizzou is still making plenty of steals (8.3 per game in that span) and forcing turnovers (15.2 per game), but when they don’t, opponents are getting really good looks; opponents’ True Shooting % is 59.9% in this span, and they are averaging 1.11 points per possession.
And in this six-game span, Mizzou is 4-2 with wins at Baylor and ISU. We’ve won while our Senior shooters have gone cold, and our opponents have made more shots than they should be expected to. That’s got to be promising, right?
Give me Sutherland over Page ANY day of the week.
Hell, give me Sutherland with one arm over Page any day of the week. I’m sure people like to describe Page as a guy you hate on the other team, but love on your own team, but I don’t think he falls into that category at all. There’s a right way to play the game, and then there’s the bush league style that Page plays. Not cool at all man, no matter what team you are on.
I think that
is what every person says about the guy who is not on the team. If you asked an OSU guy, I’m sure they would say Sutherland was bush league and that Paige plays the game the right way. Hence, everybody hates the guy, unless he’s on your team.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Sutherland got under your skin by living inside your jersey on defense,
diving for every single loose ball, and being cocky as shit. Page chooses to try and get under skin by putting his fingers in someone’s eye when the refs arent looking. That qualifies as bush league in my book, and not someone “who I’d love to have on my team.”
well
“The people in Columbia look at me as a guy who played hard and did whatever it took to win,” Sutherland said. “But people in every other town looked at me as a dirty player. But that didn’t bother me at all. It actually kind of motivated me, and I enjoyed it.”
So, my point is, it’s all just a matter of perspective.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I watched Sutherland play his entire career.
He was “dirty,” in that he was certainly willing to jab some guys in the ribs when the refs weren’t looking, and his favorite hard foul to commit was one that looked like a tackle from behind.
But those moves are generally less bush league than sticking your gingers in a guy’s face. Page drives me nuts.
Sutherland, on the other hand, hit a long, falling out of bounds 3 against KU in 1997 to help win that game. Therefore, he is a God among men.
He was also tall enough to ride the rides at Disney World.
Sadly, Page will never know this joy. And I take solace in that fact.
by JAThomp33 on Jan 26, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a good comparison for Sutherland
Could be Najera. Hate the hell out of him (especially for the keyon dooling attack) but he played like Jason did.
Page is something much worse, and shouldn’t be compared to Sutherland, in my opinion.
Please note that I am in no way endorsing anything about Najera, just a comparison.
by HHKB Chris on Jan 26, 2012 10:46 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, totally different
Boschee was good better than Page, he started on some extremely good KU teams. Page has started for middle of the pack or lower teams in the Big12 and plays like a punk.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Sutherland was my first Mizzou jersey
On the basketball court, he was who I tried to be. Clutch, hard-nosed, relentless, and tough as a motherfuther. Loved that Guy. Page is annoying, but he is not Sutherland – he isn’t a guy that gives 110% and goes too far sometimes, he’s a guy that plays dirty because it’s easier than playing hard.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A friend of mine in high school was a pretty good ball player and his older brother was being recruited by norm in his last year at mizzou
He told me of a story when he was in middle school and they got invited to a Mizzou home game and got to go into the locker room after the game and a few of the guys were just getting done showering.
He said and I quote “Sutherland’s member came millimeters away from wiping my nose”. I spit my soda through my nose and instantly became an even bigger Sutherland fan after this.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I love Sutherland too
I also realize that if he played for any other team, I would have hated him. I would have called him dirty and bush league and pointed to the fact that he jabbed people in the ribs and tackled people on the court. I would counter that while sticking your fingers in someone’s face maybe annoying as hell, it doesn’t risk injury.
But I don’t because he’s my guy. He’s a Mizzou guy. So I’ll call him hard-nosed, tough and a team guy.
But it doesn’t prevent me from acknowledging my bias in how I describe Sutherland, or how I describe Paige.
This isn’t a “was Sutherland a great Tiger” the question is, do people outside of Mizzou view Sutherland as a similar type of player as Paige.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
The most definitive difference between Sutherland and Page....
Sutherland could dunk.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets
And actually hustles on the court.
I get the perspective thing, I do. I know I’m biased. But, in my biased opinion, Sutherland hustled constantly and made over-aggressive plays (sometimes dirty) and Page doesn’t hustle and makes dirty plays. That’s the distinction to me. It’s a small, black and gold tinted distinction, but it’s all mine and you can’t have it.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
an acknowledgment is all I'm really after
and that the distinction is probably made only by black and gold tint.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I guess silver lining is...
I am looking forward to the return game now more than ever.
I have to say
Sutherland did bush league things too.
What was ironic is he cleaned up his game his senior year and the officials just kept working through the backlog of makeup calls he generated his first three years. One time a guy (I think it was @Texas… or @aTm?) put him in a headlock and they called the T on Sutherland. He just should’ve kept up the antics and earned the fouls legitimately.
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I reserve the right to Revisionist History.
But I can honestly say I would never want that litle chickensh** Page putting on a Mizzou jersey.
keiton page just really grinds my gears. easily my most hated player in basketball.
and road losses happen to almost everybody
….except kU
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 26, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions
just give it time
I am really really looking forward to watching KU go to Ames on saturday.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Oh ya, we'll lose some road games...
And Saturday just might be one of them.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 26, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Its especially intriguing because of how well ISU actually played at Allen.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
maybe.
i’m still calling kU going 16-2 with road losses to mizzou and one other random one (baylor maybe). you guys just don’t lose games like mizzou lost last night. it just doesn’t happen. and it hasn’t happened for eight years.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
i'm betting they go undefeated.
If Keiton Page is allowed to push off like he does, I should be allowed to murder Jayhawks consequence free.
by threadkiller on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
We lose a game or two like that every year...
I believe Self may actually have a losing record in Stillwater and Lubbock. But we limit it to one or two and we take care of business in all/most of the big games too.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
You need to change your name...
so that I can hate you more. And not have warm fuzzy memories of a show that died way before its time.
Dude, FotC themselves said they only had enough ideas for 1 season.
I loved the show, but definitely respect that they got dragged in to a second season in the first place. They seem to be of the mindset that, if it’s not their best, they don’t want to do it.
I dunno man...hockey?
He could be worse.
What if he played for kU?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
by MizzouTiger05 on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
"almost": "very nearly; all but"
i just wanted to bitch about the fact kU very likely wrapped up league title #8 last night.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
we still control our own destiny in that regard
we sweep them and we get it.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
that includes beating them in lawrence though.
and even that only gets us a share if they win every game down the stretch (and we do too).
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
yup, the sweep would require winning the home and away
If we do it, we are the Big 12 champions. I’m not sure why it matters that it is “only a share” considering it’s better than we’ve done in the Big 12.
Finally, I’m not sure why you think it is very likely they wrapped it up last night. They have road games at Mizzou, Baylor, K-State, Okie St. and Iowa State left on the schedule.
I’m sure you will point out that it isn’t likely they would lose at Okie St, Iowa St and possibly Mizzou and Baylor.
My preemptive retort would be that I don’t think many people saw us losing to Okie St as a likely scenario. kU losing to Davidson in KC wasn’t likely. Notre Dame beating the Cuse was out of nowhere. Florida State at Cameroon was insane.
It’s sports, crazy things happen, especially in college. Let’s not give up the title just yet.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
death, taxes, ku wins the big 12 basketball title.
thankfully there may be bigger fish to fry this season.
If Keiton Page is allowed to push off like he does, I should be allowed to murder Jayhawks consequence free.
by threadkiller on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
regular season basketball title*
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
As I said to my wife last night....
I seriously can’t wait until next year when we get to start fresh with a new slate of away venues. No more of “well crazy shit always happens when Mizzou plays here” gyms. AKA Bramlegde, GIA, Hilton, phog, etc. I already dont miss playing at NU or CU anymore.
by JAThomp33 on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I had the same thought with a buddy last night
When we played Baylor, I was thinking of how much I loathe Scott Drew and get annoyed by Baylor b-ball fans. Last night, I was screaming about how much I dislike OSU for all of the losses we’ve taken over the years and all the douches they’ve had playing for them (Gottlieb, Page, etc.).
I’m so happy our school is leaving this conference.
On the other side...
There’s zero emotional motivation for me to watch a game at Colonial Life Arena in South Carolina other than it’ll be a conference game. All these Big 12 venues may make me yell “F*** THAT PLACE!,” but that’s half if not most of the fun.
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I’m trying to embrace the S-E-C “happy conference” model, which I’ve felt quite the opposite way about the Big 12 as a Mizzou fan.
My disdain for everything Big12 and the shit they've pulled the last few years,
has zapped any sort of emotional pull I might have had watching Mizzou play at any of the B12 venues.
Do you have to be above .500 to make the CBE Classic?
because I doubt OSU will be.
by Professor Chaos on Jan 26, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions
A Mizzou win and a ISU win on Saturday would help our path a bit
I had to work during the game and only caught bits and pieces. I did catch the 4 minutes of hell. I couldn’t yell at the radio loud enough, apparently. It also seemed like a ton of offensive calls against us (uncharacteristic of this team) and many missed or bad calls that hurt us too (thanks road Gods).
by McZou on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I noticed this as well
The first block they called on us in a rush of 3 or 4 of them I felt was either a make up call or trying to close the gap in fouls as we had drawn i think 7 at this point to their 3 or 4. But then we were called for 3 or 4 more blocking fouls in about 3 minutes. I was doing everything I could not to punch the tv at the gym at this point.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Haith should hire some grad assistant for the rest of the season...
and have him make a montage of every foul/non-foul in games, and send them into the Big12 each week. And they should make it public that they are doing it. I mean, what’s the worst the refs are going to do to Mizzou that they aren’t already doing? Its not like Mizzou or Haith needs to make any friends in the league office.
Let's not be the fan base that blames the refs after losses.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I agree the refs arent the reason we lost
The fact that we didnt hit shots down the stretch and nash went freaking off is why we lost. But, I still hate Higgins.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously
The officiating was irritating, just like it was on Saturday when we won, and the game before that, and for every game in the forseeable future as long as we are still playing basketball against talented opponents. And yes, even aside from butterfly effect stuff, there are times the officials have undue influence on the outcome(lopsided foul and free throw totals, star players missing huge chunks with foul trouble, etc). However, last night was not one of those times. It was a standard issue “basketball and basketball officials are stupid” performance. We lost because we didn’t defend in the first half, and LeBryan Nash forgot to miss in the second half.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I hat Higgins like no one else
But all last night I thought the game was being officiated very loosely, and fairly (i.e., not one sided). In fact, I thought the worst call was the technicals on OSU.
I thought the reffing was so loose it would really favor us. I just did not expect OSU to shoot like that from outside.
Oh, I'm definitely not blaming the refs for the loss.
I’m just saying that would be hilarious. Every year I think they can’t be any worse, and every year they prove me wrong. The inconsistency within games just drives me nuts sometimes.
Look at Bill C. getting after Page...
On the play that, I believe, ended up in Nash’s second 3-pointer, Page literally put his fingers in Matt Pressey’s face in an attempt to draw him into reacting. Like, hand in face, move the fingers around. I almost rewound to record a GIF of it, but I was too mad. Forgive the language, but it was one of the bigger bitch moves I’ve ever seen during a competitive basketball game. (And, since he actually didn’t really react, it proved that Matt Pressey is much more mature than I am.) I was almost embarrassed watching it. You’ve officially made me hate what has always been my second-favorite team, in my second-favorite venue, Keiton. Well done. Enjoy the CBE Classic.

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by RPT on Jan 26, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
In regards to the officiating in general, does anyone know if there is any type of accountability system in place by the league?
The local STL radio guys had a great interview with Mike Pariera (sp?), former Head of Officiating for the NFL (and is on Fox telecasts now) a couple weeks ago. He basically broke down how the NFL grades each official after every game. If you assume that there are approx 155 plays a game in an average NFL game, he said that each official was graded on EVERY SINGLE PLAY, whether they were involved or made a call or not. They were graded on everything imagineable too, not just whether the right call was made. After each game, they were given a score, and if they did not meet the minimum score enough, they were cut. Simple as that.
Now, the NFL is a different beast, and has millions more in money and resources, but I’d be curious to know if the B12 (or hell, any college conference) has any type of accountability system in place for the officials. Because it seems to me, that they simply operate by the Good ’Ole Boy system, which is how they pretty much conduct all business in the B12 I guess.
But, but...I thought the Big 12 was flush with cash?????
And every other conference was the worst conference in the world. Neinas told me so. Therefore, it is unquestioned fact.
I know for a fact...
… the ACC has a command center in Greensboro that feeds in all of the games to supervisors so officials can be graded in real time. I would only imagine other conferences have similar setups.
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It might just be a product of familiarity,
but the only other conference that I hear complaints about bad officiating on the level of Big12 ineptitude, is the Big Least. And they have twice as many officials/games to officiate. The Big12 just seems soooo far behind every other conference in this regard.
Shall we pay a visit to the Big XII's?

by MU'97 on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
So what you're saying is they probably have this in the Big Mess?
And calls made or the calls missed (like the blatant miss of the crucial traveling call on Nash that EVERYONE, announcers, coaches and players saw except the refs somehow) went to the Big Mess mothership and bonus checks will be made to the refs? < ok, ok, I added the last part in the putting words you didn’t say dept. >
by McZou on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great analysis!
Don’t usually enjoy in-depth review of basketball but the way you put it together makes it palatable. Also like the approach to good teams and away games.
18-2 beat Baylor on the road keeps me smiling.
But my birthday is a curse they never win on my birthday! I hope Steve Moore runs over that little beep Page when they hit our turf.
he won't have to.
our turf ruins lives all on its own.
If Keiton Page is allowed to push off like he does, I should be allowed to murder Jayhawks consequence free.
by threadkiller on Jan 26, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

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