"The one thing that gets lost is we're in this predicament because the SEC invited Missouri," Neinas said. "But the SEC was willing to play with 13 [rather than 14] next season. We made an offer to Missouri that was financially beneficial to stay for another year. Missouri made the decision not to accept.
"We had a teleconference call with those in the SEC, Big East, ACC, Mountain West and Conference USA. We all agreed we could save money and avoid litigation if all held serve for 2012-13. All agreed. But Missouri made a very selfish decision. It's been very disruptive. Missouri gave us notice in November [of 2011] and it's pretty difficult to move forward then."
Well, that's one way to interpret Mizzou's decision to leave the SEC...saying that "we made Mizzou an offer, but they turned us down because they're selfish" kinda misses the whole point of why Mizzou is leaving in the first place. It shouldn't take a threat of leaving to earn equality.
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love the raging hypocrisy of all this-
pissing and moaning about MU being ‘selfish’ by following established exit procedures, because…. you possibly will have a scheduling issue because another school, who is very much NOT following their conferences exit procedures, may not be able to commit their ‘selfish’ exit and get into your conference next year.
And seriously, Chuck, didn’t you just say the Big East was one of those parties that wanted to not be ‘selfish’ and ‘stay put where they were’? Guess they don’t count, since you certainly didn’t help them ‘stay put’ by stealing WVU.
Maybe the guy is too old to get the duplicitous nature of his argument….
by tigertiger on Jan 26, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
it's totally selfish to do things that aren't financially beneficial
by rg643 on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Underrated point right here.
Not to get political, but the following statement is purely my idea of loss of profit.
I have a an idea that as states support their colleges less and less we will see potentially really big school close their doors. Maybe it’ll take 15-20 years but as tuition sky rockets and all I wouldn’t be surprized at all.
This was a move to keep a school that was opperating above the red, MORE above the red.
It really boils down to self-preservation in my mind.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see any really big schools closing
Because they’re diversified enough to deal with it and as the crown jewels of state education systems they are almost the definition of “too big to fail,” literally and figuratively. But I can see them operating more like businesses as state funding dries up, which would mean cutting programs that aren’t making money. We’ll miss you, Art History Department and women’s crew team.
(Since it’s difficult to convey tone via text, please read this as a polite counterpoint to a good point, not as being argumentative.)
by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Totally understand the tone.
I can see Departments closing much faster than a school. In fact the department that I got my undergrad in was nearly desolved two years ago.
I would guess that you are right really big school wouldn’t close, but at what point in the future does tiution expenses increase to the point that “old” big schools aren’t that big any more?
So like kU only becomes kU-Med+ Nursing Schools Basketball team, because that’s the only thing that makes money. OSU becoming, the ‘fightin windmills and that’s what you major in….that’s right windmills.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 26, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Okay cool, just didn't want to sound argumentative, just conversational
And I’ll try to focus more on the economics than politics, so as not to violate The RMN Commandments.
I think the complete closure of major universities would be a doomsday scenario. What I think is more likely is that federal/state funding is scaled back in response to deficit concerns, forcing tuition/fees to rise. Couple that with lower enrollment due to a stagnant job market and the fear of being stuck jobless and trying to pay off student loans, and universities will be forced to make a business decision to shutter or condense departments that aren’t drawing students. Smaller colleges with a narrow focus may close, but I think bigger universities will be able to weather the storm. Ultimately, I think either the economy will bounce back or governments will start spending again before the states’ flagship schools would be at risk of withering away completely.
As far as athletic programs go, I think to a large degree that’s regulated by a combination of the NCAA and Title 9. Now, if the biggest athletic departments decided to shrug off the NCAA and start a new organization (which I think is inevitable unless the NCAA starts adapting), I can see football/basketball basically becoming semi-pro teams (with some combination of women’s basketball/softball/soccer along for the ride to maintain Title 9 compliance), while everything else is relegated to club sport status, if not cut all together.
Wow, that became a novel. Sorry about that.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is a great comment.
I agree completely. You have changed my mind….
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jan 27, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Haha, just throwing out a point of view
I’m just glad it didn’t end up sounding crazy
by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 27, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Doofus and Gallant
Doofus attacks a school for chossing to do what is best for itself, instead of focusing on the real problems he has
Gallant chooses to do what is best for himself and removes himself for the bad influence(s) around him
Doofus cries when Gallant from down the street moves to a new neighborhood, takes his toys, and goes home to play by himelf, just to spite Gallant
Gallant tries to keep the friendly(hate filled) rivalry intact and repeatedly reachoes out to Doofus
Doofus decides to take an unprecidented power grab, and then blames everyone else for leaving
Gallant sees that such a “partner” is not a good one and decides to leave for a new home where there is mutual respect and agreement.
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by MizzouRugby on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM CST reply actions 11 recs
/Looks up from counting pile of money
//Goes back to counting pile of money
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by RPT on Jan 26, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions 10 recs
whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart.
If Keiton Page is allowed to push off like he does, I should be allowed to murder Jayhawks consequence free.
Baahahahaahhahahaaaa
Neinas, you wonderful, wonderful man. He is like the drunk uncle at thanksgiving that has no idea where he is, but will say whatever evil uncle Dodds will tell him to say, just to feel like he belongs.
Revisionist History is a funny funny thing.
They should make a cable network and call it the Revisionist History Channel ®. All it would air are hilarious accounts of derliction of facts. Weekly specials on those who deny the holocaust occured, accounts of the Kim Jong Il regime, and the hit show: Things Chuck Neinas Believes To Be Fact – featuring that time ol’ Chucky thought he was definitely “in” with that hot girl at that party.
by JAThomp33 on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think that's what the History Channel has become
by jschooltiger on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, I still watch it.
Although I have started to watch The Science Channel & The Smithsonian Channel a lot more though. Too many “reality” type shows on History anymore.
Whoever made this gif caught this dude on a GOOD hair day.
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by mizzou2396 on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
"Nawt ahn my wahtch"
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
by MizzouRugby on Jan 26, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Such an amazingly dumb statement he made
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I wonder what the Big XII was offering Mizzou to stick around for 2012?
My bet would be a whole year of biased officiating (see Bugeaters) and an additional 5 million…paid directly to TEXAS!
It would be interesting to see this "offer" Mizzou left on the table.
by McZou on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if it was a serious and good offer....
is there any doubt at this point that Neinas wouldn’t let “slip” what the offer was? Guessing the offer wasn’t as awesome for all parties – including Mizzou – as Neinas would like the public to believe.
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Aggie planning
The funniest part of the quick departure is Aggie’s planning more than Mizzou’s.
Aggies want to start a total stadium renovation and so they managed to time their move to the SEC perfectly so that their debut to the SEC means they can’t play games at Kyle Field. Pure genius. They are talking about possibly playing at Reliant Stadium in Houston, but they hate to lose the at home aspect. If they waited a year they could have opened in the SEC with a shiny new stadium. Now they are inviting lots of guests with a home under construction and no plan as to what to do.
http://www.theeagle.com/local/Making-room-for-SEC—6815819
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Guys..our home away from home might not pass code…
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by MizzouRugby on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I would think its partly because of the massive aggie tears of the past few seasons from Mizzou losses at home
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of our home way from home
Since we’ve owned that place for the past few years, I would hope that aTm is at least consulting w/ Mizzou on the new design. Maybe a section in their hall of fame for great Mizzou moments at Kyle Field would be appropriate. Priority Mizzou parking is probably also deserved. Perhaps some black & gold in the color scheme, etc.
by Wald on Jan 26, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You could send them some Rocks
Maybe as a house-warming/stadium-warming gift. They are dumb enough to display them for you. Seriously. Tell them it shows your unity and make it into a sculpture and i bet they do.
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Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
wait, they aren't playing at Kyle last year?
Dammit, I was hoping we’d get the record for most consecutive wins there (by an opponent, obvs.)
by jschooltiger on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Their alleged Boone Pickens-Esque Donor
Is still a mystery man/woman to the rest of the world.
This all important booster is rumored to have been the one that made Byrne follow the Bow Tied One’s orders to fire Sherman and then leaked the decision to fire while Sherman he was out recruiting. So, I don’t know if the Bow Tied One is making this whole thing up or not. IF there is some big Boone Pickens-Esque Donor, don’t you think he would have shown his face by now and been leading the parade to get other large donors to join him/her.
I don’t believe anything Aggie’s say I have no idea how they plan to pay for this expansion. Their “vision” started off as a 115,000 seat stadium to be the largest in the country and now it has come down to them playing in Houston at Reliant with some minor improvements.
Since we won’t be playing them in this decade it isn’t our problem, but we do continue to love a good Aggie joke and they are keeping us rolling on the floor.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
you do realize we play them next year, at their place, right?
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Of course
They are your new cross divisional rival so y’all get to play each other every year. I was just pointing out the “where” is a huge issue for ags and they have done a poor job at planning everything. It is all up in the air and they don’t have any plan although it is already January.
My only point (other than making fun of the Aggies) is that it would have made more sense for Aggies to stay put 1 more year rather than y’all. Of course, Aggies moved first so everyone is focused on you being the bad guy.
I’m not surprised you don’t care about the Big XII’s schedule, but your decision did affect the Big East also. You don’t owe them anything either, but a year wait would have been a classy move given the turmoil. Again, you didn’t have to and had every right to move, but it still would have been a classy thing to do.
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Decisions, decisions...
Have invitation from best conference in the country.
Current conference has crappy bowl hierarchy system, conference controlled by schools who have only agreed to equity when mates began abandoning ship, and all conference mates are all looking for better situations. Could stay in current conference with promises from conference mates that things will be better, or go to a conference where things already are better.
Yes, we will accept the invitation to join the best conference in the country.
Current conference asks if we’d like to stay on for one more year to help them out while they wait for new mates to arrive. Uh, yeah, we’ll just go ahead and leave now. Thanks for the offer, though. Good luck getting along together without us.
Oh, and when WV finally does arrive, they might not take the second class treatment as kindly as we did. They might burn your furniture if they feel neglected. Just sayin’.
One of my favorites phrases in life.
Fuggem.
At some point, I had to stop caring about some people because all they do is try to bring you into the same chaos and stress their own life is. You just have to say fuggem and move on, or you get mired in that nonsense.
Neinas is definitely that guy to Mizzou… he wants us to get caught up in this bull with him. Fuggem.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I also love the fact that the remarks Uncle Neinas made about Mizzou
were totally unprovoked. The interview was conducted by the WV paper, about WV and the B12/Big East, and Neinas managed to throw in the Mizzou part out of habit. I wonder if he even listens to what comes out of his mouth, or if he is just a robot programmed to regurgitate the company line.
Oh well….if anyone has a “Hater’s gonna Hate” GIF, now would be a good time to throw them out. Personally, I’m too lazy to post one.
here ya go
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hater's gonna hate the red X in a box??
I dont get it…. :)
another that I havent seen before
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Oh god! My eyes!
I cannot unsee what I have just seen.
Hulk is really taking his divorce hard I guess….
wonder if he can roller skate...
If Keiton Page is allowed to push off like he does, I should be allowed to murder Jayhawks consequence free.
by threadkiller on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
i dont see a zipper on those bottoms
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
pfft, like he knows how to work a VCR.
That thing is still blinking 12:00 and he doesn’t understand you have to have the TV on 3.
by ZouDave on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
DGB Sweepstakes
On the whole Petrino pulling a Saban bump on DGB while in San Antonio….who do y’all think reported it to the NCAA? Lots of reason to think it is Texas, but also lots of reason to think it could be Saban and then of course there is the possibility it was Pinkel.
Do y’all have any insight on who reported it?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I like to think that Dodds put Neinas up in the best Texas nursing home,
and told him “Chuck, if the phone rings, just read this script.”
NEWS!
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Central Florida has released its 2012 football schedule which includes a Sept 29 home game against #Mizzou in Orlando.
FL is possibly the least favorite of the States I’ve visited, but whatever. At least they are not FCS.
and it gets us a game in a state we are now recruiting
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
also, the return game in '03 in COMO could see Tyler Gabbert as the starting QB for UCF
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Our move to the SEC broke the space time continuum.
Thanks a lot, Alden!
by Babbalynski on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Well hell
that means two games in the state of Florida during the ’12 season.
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So the SEC agreed that we should all just hold serve for a year, and Mizzou just barges in early anyway. Poor long-suffering SEC.
More seriously, I look at it like this: By leaving a year early Mizzou is breaking an agreement that other members of the B12 were depending on for various financial outcomes. Mizzou’s choice here really is costing them a bunch of money, and that’s pretty sucky. In a world based on trust and understanding and goodwill, you don’t do that to people. But if the Big 12 had been operating on the basis of trust, understanding, and goodwill, Mizzou wouldn’t have been leaving in the first place.
Without those things you just have money and negotiations. Look at it like that, and Neinas is basically just whining about his own poor negotiating. He made an offer, it got shot down. Sweeten the deal or cut your losses, but either way quit with the crocodile tears.
by Wan Ihite on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Neinas seriously thought we would stay?
Ok, we know you’re going to be gone, but would you please stay 1 more year?
That’s like staying in a relationship with a girl for a year because your parents are friends and you’ve known eachother your whole lives. Meanwhile the prom queen is waiting for you at the hotel.
It’s more selfish of Neinas to ask us to stay than for us to stay than to snap this dead relationship right at the neck.
where did you say this prom queen was?
and is she 18?
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
and going on 40, if my past experience was any indication.
If Keiton Page is allowed to push off like he does, I should be allowed to murder Jayhawks consequence free.
by threadkiller on Jan 26, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
as long as she still looks good in a ball gown is all i care about
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
ball gown
/not what I initially read.
You either die a Tiger, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Jayhawk.
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haha
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by BillSelfsToupee on Jan 26, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree with all of you. Neinas was wrong!
I couldn’t wait until Misery hit the road.
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