Study Hall: Mizzou 83, Oklahoma State 65
Your Trifecta: PPressey-Denmon-Ratliffe. Your winner: the one and only Dr. Ausgiano!
A quick word about Sports Hate. Over the course of writing for SB Nation, I have begun to come to the conclusion that about 80 percent of every fanbase is exactly the same. The other 20 percent is basically defined by history and geography. It has been enlightening and enjoyable to make so many friends from so many different fanbases, but honestly, it has made Sports Hate, the power of hating something or someone just because you want to, a bit more difficult. Granted, MIZZOUEXPANSIONAPALOOZA™ stirred up enough hard feelings to get the hate juices flowing, but that is both temporary and somewhat easy to explain. Sports Hate requires no explanation. In fact, if you try to explain your Sports Hate, you will start feeling pretty silly. I have no idea whatsoever why I have always rooted against Peyton Manning, for example. I just have. He is an amazing quarterback, he seems like a really good human being, he's potentially the funniest sports host in SNL history ... I have no reason to root against him, but I always have. That isn't Hate, per say, but it hints at it.
When it comes to Sports Hate as it pertains to Missouri, I have found a major source in Keiton Page. I've elaborated on all the reasons previously, and I don't need to rehash it now, but I was reminded last night why it is probably silly (and really fun) for me to want to give him so much hell. The reason, basically, was that I found myself really, really liking his coach.
I had the pleasure of being SleepyFloyd7's plus-one at last night's game, and I got to take in the media scene. In the post-game press conference, Travis Ford sat down and simply gushed about Missouri, about how well the Tigers are playing, about how much he will miss Columbia as a once-per-year stop, and about how much he enjoyed his year in Columbia two decades ago. And he seemed incredibly genuine about all of it. Maybe he's just a good actor, who knows, but I very much found myself liking him by the end of his short stay at the mic. He seemed humble and honest.
Now, I've never really disliked Ford. But I have spent a lot of Sports Hate on the point guard about whom he said this last night:
Keiton is our lone senior. After him we're a very young, inexperienced basketball team. I've said it the last couple weeks, he's probably the best leader I've ever coached in 15 years of being a college head coach. He's probably the best leader I've ever had. And he's developed into that because two years ago we couldn't get him to say peep. He's by nature a very shy person, he really is. He's the guy that I still don't think gets the respect he deserves from a lot of people, the refs. I think they get tired of calling fouls on him. He just gets held, and I understand that. It's hard to call them all. He takes a beating every single night, and he's kind of like the Energizer Bunny - he just keeps ticking. We ask a lot out of him. I ask him to score. I ask him to defend. I ask him to lead. I ask him to play 40 minutes. I ask him to do a lot. And he does nothing but try to do everything you ask him to do with the greatest attitude. It's amazing. When he ends his career, here's a man who grew up 15 minutes from Stillwater, dreamed of playing at Oklahoma State. You look at a young man like him, not of an imposing figure, he's going to go down over 1500-point scorer at Oklahoma State in the Big 12, two NCAA tournaments, and he started on both those teams. He's going to go down as the leading guy that I think has played the most minutes ever at Oklahoma State when it's all said and done. Pretty impressive. Overachiever.
Now, I can roll my eyes about the "get tired of calling fouls" bit (the dude goes out of his way to flop and draw cheap contact, especially at home), but the bottom line is, if I find myself liking Travis Ford, I would probably find myself liking Keiton Page if given the right opportunity.
And I hope that opportunity never comes. Let me keep some of my irrational hatred, please.
Mizzou 83, Oklahoma State 65
| Mizzou |
OSU | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) | 61.4 | |
| Points Per Minute | 2.08 | 1.63 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) | 1.35 | 1.06 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) | 1.36 | 1.07 |
| 2-PT FG% | 58.1% | 46.8% |
| 3-PT FG% | 38.9% | 42.9% |
| FT% | 80.0% | 42.9% |
| True Shooting % | 61.4% | 50.7% |
| Mizzou | OSU | |
| Assists | 15 | 16 |
| Steals | 5 | 5 |
| Turnovers | 6 | 6 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
3.33 | 3.50 |
| Mizzou | OSU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 11 | 13 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 11 | 9 |
| Difference | +0 | -4 |
Garbage Time
By now, you are likely quite familiar with the concept of garbage time, the point at which a game's statistics stop mattering because the game has been decided. I use it in my football ratings to filter out late scores and junk yardage that is in no way evaluative of the teams involved, but I don't for basketball because ... well, because that would be pretty time-consuming. But rarely is the difference between "regular" time and garbage time as stark as it was last night.
First 32 Minutes: Mizzou 78, Oklahoma State 45
Last 8 Minutes: Oklahoma State 20, Mizzou 5
The full-game stats lend you plenty of ridiculous stats -- Mizzou averaged a borderline obscene 1.35 points per possession, they outrebounded the 'Pokes by four in terms of expected rebounds, they shot ridiculously well from the field; but in looking only at the 32 minutes that decided the game, the numbers get even crazier.
First 32 Minutes: Mizzou 78, Oklahoma State 45
| Mizzou |
OSU | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) | 50.9 | |
| Points Per Minute | 2.44 | 1.41 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) | 1.53 | 0.88 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) | 1.59 | 0.96 |
| 2-PT FG% | 70.6% | 45.0% |
| 3-PT FG% | 46.7% | 28.6% |
| FT% | 90.0% | 42.9% |
| True Shooting % | 73.0% | 44.9% |
| Mizzou | OSU | |
| Assists | 15 | 10 |
| Steals | 5 | 5 |
| Turnovers | 6 | 6 |
|
Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
3.33 | 2.50 |
| Mizzou | OSU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 6 | 10 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 7 | 6 |
| Difference | +1 | -4 |
I'm just not sure I can describe how ridiculous a 1.53 points per possession average is. They averaged only 1.48 against Kennesaw State and Missouri Southern, though, granted, those averages may also have been higher pre-garbage time. When Missouri is on, it is just clinical destruction. And you only have to go as far as opposing coaches for backup on that point.
I'll say this, when Missouri is on there is nobody in the country that is as good as them offensively. Nobody. What I mean on is when they are making their threes, because they are so good at getting in the lane and everything, you can't take away both. You've got to hope they are not on. They've been on a lot this year.
"You know, Missouri played like the third ranked team in America tonight. They actually played like the number one ranked team in America tonight. Very impressed, had been, that is capable of what they are doing on any given night. It's all about them. I could sit here and talk about them all night. They are just a really good basketball team that is capable of doing this to people, very quickly. I have seen it done to other teams in our league, we watched some games and seen it. We knew after the first game that we were going to respond and they did with great fashion. They played like a team that is capable of doing some really special things, really impressed with their basketball team. It's just more all about them. They just played really well."
There is coachspeak praise, and then there is "good golly, I don't know how you stop them" praise.
You Had To Know It Was Your Night When...
...Mike Dixon attempted an alley-oop to Phil Pressey and ended up with an open layup out of it.
And perhaps the most entertaining subplot of the game was just how pissed off Frank Haith was that Dixon had tried it in the first place. And he was still in the mood to give Dixon crap about it after the game.
In the post-game press conference, Dixon was asked about his thought process on the oop and whether or not he felt it was a good decision. Before he could answer, Haith, off-mic, said "NO it wasn't a good decision!" Dixon explained how he thought Markel Brown was going to commit to covering him, and that he therefore thought the pass to Pressey was the right decision. Haith ... disagreed. And thanks to some goading from SleepyFloyd7, he disagreed a bit more later on. Very funny.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Phil Pressey | 18.7 | 0.64 | 29 Min, 13 Pts (3-5 FG, 2-2 3PT, 5-6 FT), 7 Reb, 7 Ast |
| Marcus Denmon | 16.1 | 0.56 | 29 Min, 17 Pts (6-10 FG, 3-7 3PT, 2-2 FT), 3 Reb |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 15.0 | 0.63 | 24 Min, 15 Pts (6-9 FG, 3-4 FT), 12 Reb (5 Off), 3 TO |
| Mike Dixon | 13.0 | 0.48 | 27 Min, 15 Pts (7-11 FG, 1-3 3PT), 3 Ast |
| Kim English | 11.4 | 0.36 | 32 Min, 13 Pts (6-13 FG, 1-4 3PT), 2 Reb, 2 Ast, 2 Stl |
| Steve Moore | 6.7 | 0.37 | 18 Min, 7 Pts (3-3 FG), 2 Reb (2 Off) |
| Matt Pressey | 0.4 | 0.01 | 30 Min, 3 Pts (1-7 FG, 0-1 3PT, 1-2 FT), 3 Reb, 2 Ast |
| Andy Rosburg | 0.0 | 0.00 | 1 Min |
| Jarrett Sutton | 0.0 | 0.00 | 5 Min, 0 Pts (0-1 3PT), 1 Reb |
| Andrew Jones | -1.2 | -0.24 | 5 Min, 0 Pts (0-2 FG), 1 Reb |
- There was a moment with probably seven or eight minutes left in the game, when Steve Moore tracked down a loose ball and squared up about 23 feet from the rim. In the interest of getting six players into double digits I found myself actually hoping he would attempt his second 3-pointer of the season. But apparently he was too close to Haith -- close enough that Haith might have jumped out to try to block the shot himself -- and thought better of it. Alas.
- I mean ... who beats Missouri when Phil Pressey and Mike Dixon are scoring 28 points on 16 field goal attempts? Anybody?
- As Haith put it, Matt Pressey is probably "stressing" about his shot a bit, and it's easy to see why -- after seeing his shooting percentages creep ahead of Marcus Denmon's, MPressive3 has now missed 23 of his last 30 field goal attempts and nine of his last 10 3-pointers. Now is certainly a good time for a cold streak, what with everybody else hitting everything and a few more weeks in the regular season to snap out of the slump; still, the sooner you can become a "He makes his open shots, so we can't sag off of him" threat again, the better.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| P. Pressey | 16% | 59% | 5.9 | 78% | 9% | 11% | 2% |
| Denmon | 20% | 57% | 2.0 | 33% | 56% | 11% | 0% |
| Ratliffe | 31% | 46% | 2.1 | 0% | 57% | 24% | 19% |
| Dixon | 24% | 59% | 3.5 | 60% | 37% | 0% | 3% |
| English | 22% | 45% | 2.5 | 48% | 52% | 0% | 0% |
| Moore | 13% | 68% | 0.9 | 0% | 61% | 19% | 20% |
| M. Pressey | 14% | 23% | 2.2 | 57% | 34% | 9% | 0% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (No.)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (Yes!)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (Yes!)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (Yes!)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes!)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (So Close!)
Five-for-seven overall, basically percentage points away from six-for-seven. I'll take that.
Three Keys Revisited
Make Sure They Don't Beat You The Same Way
Oklahoma State beat Missouri last time because of the 17-footer. The Tigers were slow to rotate and/or get around screens early at Gallagher-Iba, and guys like Nash (12-for-18) and Brian Williams (6-for-11) nailed quite a few long 2-pointers early on. Nash exploded late, but without the early jumpers, OSU isn't close enough for Nash's hot streak to matter. Mizzou needs to fight, scratch and claw on the perimeter and make sure that if OSU pulls another upset, they at least do so in a different matter. Obviously overplaying the perimeter has its own set of drawbacks -- it could result in fouls, and OSU is a phenomenal free throw shooting team; plus, there's nothing saying that they will make as many long jumpers again this time, even if open. But still.
In the first 32 minutes, Oklahoma State made two of seven 3-pointers and 18 of 40 2-pointers. Markel Brown made a corner 3-ball on OSU's first possession, and then the jumpers went really, really cold. After the game, Ford gushed about how aggressive Mizzou was on the perimeter, but in terms of active hands and aggressive pick-and-roll defense. OSU just couldn't find an open look to save their lives, at least until the walk-ons came in.
Attack The Rim
Oklahoma State plays pretty good perimeter defense, but they hack a lot in the process. Mizzou did a reasonably decent job of pounding the ball inside last time -- Ricardo Ratliffe shot 10-for-17 -- and despite the fact that OSU blocked quite a few shots (seven), a focus on both getting Ratliffe involved and hurling guards at the rim could get a thin team in foul trouble and/or open up 3-pointers later on.
Ricardo Ratliffe took nine field goal attempts in 24 minutes, and Mizzou got to the line 15 times on 14 fouls, meaning there were quite a few shooting fouls in there. They were aggressive on the perimeter on defense, and they attacked the rim on offense. Pretty much perfect.
Honestly? Just Play Well
I really couldn't come up with a third key because if Missouri is playing well -- getting Ratliffe looks, passing well, obstructing passing lanes, playing tight perimeter defense, finding open looks for Marcus Denmon and Mike Dixon, getting the home crowd involved -- they will win. No overthinking necessary. OSU is an interesting team that will get even more interesting next year, but they are not good enough to win in Columbia if Mizzou is in "not messing around" mode.
Yeah, they played well.
Summary
By my count, there are two Big 12 arenas where Mizzou's senior class has not won: Allen Field House in Lawrence and Reed Arena in College Station. They have a chance to erase one more building from that list this weekend, and while I'm sure I will be paranoid right before tip-off ... at this point, the team has earned the benefit of the doubt. They have played at an incredible level recently, and while I expect that they will have to continue that against A&M team that might actually be healthy for the first time all season, I also expect that they will continue that. What a season, guys.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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So I was only off 7 points and 20 rebounds on my 30 and 20 prediciton for Page.
So close.
Annoying You Since 1986
don't sell yourself "short"
he had 2 boards, so you were only off by 18.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I called for 22 rebounds.
I was really feeling it.
Annoying You Since 1986
let's get you on a plane to Vegas!
I will say, you coming in with your “doomsday” predictions has worked out spledidly. Biouvac77 was doing it early on and we kept winning. Then he went insane (I have a theory on what went down with all of that) and left, and you filled the gap.
If we win it all, I’m petitioning Haith to get you a ring.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
you have a theory and yet didn't feel the need to share it?
why bother telling people you have a theory then?
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Insecurity and a deep rooted need for affirmation would be my guess
My theory is he wanted to show a superior knowledge to everyone regarding basketball. He got on the site, saw a lot of optimism and took a contrarian view that it would all come crashing down. He continued to dig in his heels and when it didn’t come to fruition, he was stuck. He used faux outrage to try to get himself banned so he would never have to acknowledge that his basketball evaluation wasn’t as great as he thought it was.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Feb 16, 2012 7:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow, that seems far fetched.
i truly hope you’re wrong, though i’m glad you shared. those type things drive me crazy(er).
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
To clarify
The title was an answer to why I didn’t share before. The body was my theory. I mean the outrage he displayed seemed contrived to me. I get the misinterpretation he had, but the poster came back and said it wasn’t intentional and the response was to call the whole board goat (sheep?) f’ers and dare someone to ban him.
I would rather a guy not be able to admit he isn’t as smart as he thought than to have that be his legitimate response
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you had to clarify
because you think of me as an idiot, yes?
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Nope, I think you are one of the more intelligent people on this board
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
i was just messing with ya, but now i

Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
i also meant to add
that if your real life persona is the same as it is on this here fine blog, then insecurity is hard for me to understand, fwiw. as far as the fellow that had a crazy moment, i think that just happens sometmes. maybe he’s had some bad stuff going on in his life. these are strange times we’re living in.
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad I read this mess.
All of this happened while I was AWOL. Thanks for giving enough clues I could at least search the event. FYI Bivouac last logged on 2/9, though no comments since the event. Guess we’re having a goat shortage.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
if you'd stay out of the pokey, these things might not have happened. ;-)
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 17, 2012 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
well done
however, as destiny is a destiny.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 17, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Is it possible that Keiton Page is Ollie from "Hoosiers"?
I don’t have the same hate for him that many others express, mainly because I haven’t been paying attention, but it takes some moxie to be that kid, even if he can be an instigator and flopper.

Caption:
Gene Hackman plays a zombie captured on the pole and hid in the barn on AMC’s “Walking Dead.”
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Guys...
for all the Keiton Paige hate around here I have a name from Mizzou’s past that you will love in the same vein as much as you hate Paige…
Jason Sutherland.
Same player, different teams, ~20 years apart.
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
I call BS
Jason was never half the douche that KP is. When he flopped at mid court last year to draw a foul off Denmon because he caught the Ref not looking, I just made up my mind:CHEATER! It’s one thing to embellish contact to draw the foul. It’s another to fake it completely in a play off the ball that has no bearing on the game, just because you can.
Jason Sutherland was a billy badass.
How dare you trivialize his awesomeness in such a way. That’s like trying to compare Rocky to Mike Tyson. They are from two totally seperate worlds.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
by M Krip on Feb 16, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
true, saying Page is a Sutherland-type
is exactly why Moe is only a Wes Welker-type.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 17, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
I love seeing the game flow chart with us having a safe lead on there half way thru the first half
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions
I just found this, and almost pooped my pants
BTW, I had a karma thread worthy moment at the gym last night. I continue to embarass myself for the sake of future Mizzou sports.

I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Video proof or it didn.......
Oh, it’s you BST. Please tell!
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets
by 1Believer on Feb 16, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, gotta save some for a karma thread
I have a feeling I’m going to let loose some karma before an upcomging kansas game, big 12 tourny title game or elite 8 game. In anticipation, I have upped my alcohol consumption considerably.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Favorite beverage?
I want ot buy some stock in that company.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets
Ive been alternating from generic light beer to Boulevard Pilsner
With a few shots thrown in there.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Blvd Pilsner is a tasty beverage
"You better call your crew, you gon’ need help." - Jay Bilas' advice to teams facing Mizzou in b-ball this year
It doesnt suck
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Throw Keiton Page in the dwarf toss contest!!1
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
NOBODY TOSSES A DWARF
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
They toss little people!
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Just don't give a Dwarf an Axe
I’ve been told they are good with those.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 16, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
oftentimes dwarf women are mistaken for dwarf men
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
Was it just my eyes playing tricks on me?
Or did I see a sign in the stands last night that said, “I Hate Gottlieb”? Did anyone else see that?
I believe you are correct
Hanging out in the media room waiting for wrassling to commence.
Yup, I saw it. And laughed. Heartily.
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I'm not sure Gottlieb is anymore than just a 75% commentator?
by kctiger80 on Feb 16, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
screw gottlieb.
can't we just pave over kansas?
by mizzutgr on Feb 16, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sports Hate
As I read his “gushing” quotes about MU, I felt my Sports Hate against Travis Ford begin to dissipate. It’s hard to let go of a satisfying relationship that has lasted for over twenty years.
Did you miss the part about how they were just tired after expending all they had vs kU?
It was all scheduling.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
This is not intended to be a spark for derailing this thread...
… but the ad at the top of the page when I pulled this up was for a Williams-Sonoma Mini-Pie Maker. RMN has either completely broken SBN’s advertising system or opened it up for an entirely different market of advertisers.
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by RPT on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I have noticed all these specialty cookery type machines
Macy’s had empanada cookers, cake ball cookers, all different kinds of stuff. I have made cake balls and empanadas quite a few times but never needed a specialty cooker for them. Weird.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
/registers for Williams-Sonoma Mini-Pie Maker
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
by ghtd36 on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats the one place I wish I would have registered at
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
If you search Pie or Cake, RMN comes up in the top 3.
/only because of Ma6uffin.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Just so you know... mine's advertising office furniture, and I've been looking at office furniture lately.
So, you must be on team pie.
#moderatelylogical
by u2nspenserfan on Feb 16, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
We're still allowed to hate Kansas, right?
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
by Gaknar on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Expected*
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Can you please rephrase that in English?
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Now its not fun to cover or cheer for a struggling team...
But if you were to visit Cowboys Ride for Free you wouldn’t know they have had a basketball team.
Which raises an absurd point:
Missouri revenue sports are a combined 161-66 (.709) in the Rock M Nation era.
Basketball: 117-47 (.713)
Football*: 44-19 (.698)
*Does not include first four games of 2007
Eight combined completed winning seasons, one partial winning season (07 FB), one winning season in progress (11-12BB), and one .500 season (07-08BB).
There’s an adage in blogging that success is largely dependent on your team either doing incredible or being in a massive firestorm. In the first 12 months, between football’s 2007 season and Athenagate, we weren’t sure which we were going to get. Luckily, up to this point, we’ve gotten much more of the former than the latter.
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by RPT on Feb 16, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
That should, of course...
… be seven completed winning seasons, rather.
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So what you're telling me is
That in my five years at Mizzou (4 undergrad, 1 grad) and my 4 years as a RMN reader have been very successful. And if I include the first 4 games of 2007 (all wins) then we go to Bball:117-47 (.713) and 4 NCAA Tourney Appearances going 4-3 in the Big Dance, and Football: 48-19 (.716) and 5 bowl games 3-2 in said games.
WOW, just WOW
by bigtexas@mizzou on Feb 16, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I was lucky to go through my time at Mizzou during a great run of basketball
From the Fall of 85 through the Spring of 90, but it was a really difficult time for football. Still though, I was able to witness first hand the then Big 8 record field goal by Wilehan during a Homecoming loss to Colorado and I was also able to be in attendance for one of the most famous games in college football history, the Fifth Down Game.
We had some great basketball teams back then but I can only remember once getting to the Sweet Sixteen where we loss to Syracuse who also beat us earlier in the season if I do remember correctly. I think Mizzou was a three seed in that tourney.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
Has anyone else watched this season...
and started thinking about the possibility of Kim English moving into the coaching ranks? I keep thinking it would be amazing in 10-15 years to see Kim come home as a coach at Mizzou and dare we dream, become Head Coach Kim English here someday?
by Truson on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
That would be my hope
I love the guy, and to see him return as a coach when he’s done playing would be fantastic.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
And then be HCKE
for 30+ years. And take us to lots of Final Fours. And a few National Championships. I want this.
I said this in another thread.
Post playing career, I think he already has what it takes to be a coach.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
He's indicated on Twitter an interest in coaching
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
He'd be one hell of a good broadcaster.
by Michael Atchison on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been wondering about that.
I think he’d be tremendous at studio work. Would be a little hesitant for color commentary, though. Kimmie is incredibly insightful when he can be deliberate in his thoughts and doesn’t have to worry about his pacing.
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Given how far he's come with his very public journey re: his speech...
I wouldn’t put anything past him.
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by RPT on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Whatever he chooses to do
I believe he will have many choices…He’ll make Mizzou very proud.
by B_W on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He did-ish
grawer was a graduate assistant for a year, under Quin, near the end.
I know its great to get a win and that's the goal
but did anyone else out there start to feel a bit dissapointed when that tremendous lead was evaporating quickly in the last five minutes of the second half? Though the game truly was a thirty plus point win, the bumbling around in the last five minutes and the way OSU took it to us was a bummer. If we ever have to depend on Jones, Sutton and Rosburg we are in a heap of trouble, especially with Jones.
I know when the game is that much in the bag that the smart thing to do is pull the starters but it would be nice if the walk ons could at least defend a little better and get a field goal in 5 minutes of play.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
It was annoying...
…but it doesn’t matter in the least. It’s not like the NCAA committee is going to be deciding on seeding and thinking “Well, if Mizzou had beaten OSU by a bit more, I think they’d be a 1-seed…”
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I understand that it doesn't matter and what's important is winning and that our team played great in getting there.
I just get a big kick out of seeing the Tigers thump the hell out of any opponent. Even in football when we play an FCS school or a team we are stomping into the ground and Coach Pinkel lets up on the throttle or even applies the brakes, I sit there and root for a defensive TD or a special teams TD. I know that the players who aren’t on offense are going to be doing everything they can to score.
It was an eye opener to see the walk ons play though and demonstrate that they really aren’t an option but AJ really looked like a fish out of water in his few minutes on the court.
I just really like pounding other teams on the scoreboard, especially conference opponents. Though it doesn’t make much of a difference, it does feel good. I wished the walk ons, with the help of M Pressey and Dixon, would have played better.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
another reason not to run up the score on purpose
we might see these teams again come B12 tournament time. There is no need to give them extra incentives. I think Sutton, Jones, Rossburg might do much better if they were in the game alone versus having another sub or 2 in there also. I am not saying they will be great, but garbage time is not the most representative of their potential to have limited production.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I agree with you but I'm not talking about running up the score on purpose just to run it up,
but just playing through the game.
With about 5 minutes left, we were still running the offense and trying to score baskets and defend. In those five minute I believe the team on the floor was only able to score one point and I think that was a M, Pressey free throw.
I definitely support pulling the starters and like to see our guys dribble out the remaining time at the end of the game when the shot clock is off. I also have alot of respect for the way Coach Pinkel coaches a blowout though I don’t agree with the idea of running into the line and intentionally going down so as not to get a first down.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
We scored 3 points in the final 7 minutes and still won by 18.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
this is what I was thinking
and frankly, OSU may represent the best chance to give KU another conference loss, so I have no issue with leaving them feeling a bit better about themselves. And maybe we helped Paige to get on a roll heading towards that game.
"[D]id anyone else out there start to feel a bit dissapointed when that tremendous lead was evaporating quickly in the last five minutes of the second half?"
No.
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by RPT on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think the tremendous drop off we witnessed
is exactly why they don’t get time unless we’re up by 20+ with 3 minutes. Otherwise, why would you only play seven in a long season?
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, even a 20 minute lead with 3 minutes left isn't insurmountable against a team like OSU
if all three walk ons are on the court at the same time. OSU lit them up in a big way.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
a 20 minute lead with 3 minutes left?
am i drunk?
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure you are.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Does it make you feel better
that Ford put in two of his own scrubs in the final minute, thus conceding the win?
I can’t recall the last time three walk-ons got into a conference game. That alone is a bigger testament to how dominant the win.
I was kind of surprised he did that actually.
Maybe he felt that his players just weren’t getting enough quality play on the court against our walk ons so there was no point in keeping them in there.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
by M Krip on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the game was over, he had the same reason to play his scrubs as we did ours – game experience and preserving the legs of your starters.
and as a reward to guys who bust their butts all season and off season long but never get to see the court
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by mizzou2396 on Feb 16, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
RE: Bill's comments about Page. I remember an interview with Coach
Eddie Sutton following a Mizzou-OSU game where he talked about Jason Sutherland. The basic comment was, …he’s the guy you hate to have on the other team, but would love to have on your team… Eddie went on to say that he would love to have a team-full of Sutherlands.
Guess that’s how I feel about Page. Yes, he flops, he shoves, he harassses the other players….basically, he’s a little turd — if he’s on the other team. If he was wearning the Black & Gold, he would be Gods gift to Mizzou, we would sing his praises, and give him all of our praise! And, the kid can shoot!
He’s a good player…not great, but good. Plays his role well, and gives it everything he’s got. What more do you want out of a player….except him to be on your team rather than the other.
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by OKCTiger on Feb 16, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I want him to miss every shot he takes against my team and make every shot he takes against every other team in the league.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There's a certain game in Stillwater
where I’d like this to happen at the end of the month. Yes indeed.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
I want the RMN community to say, with a straight face,
that we wouldn’t have eleventy Page memes if he were a Tiger. Granted, they were garbage buckets, but some of the shots he made (let along got off) last night were something to behold.
turn the Page, it's over.
Never forget Wolf Island, or pie! #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Now resisting urge to Photoshop his face onto Bob Seger
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by RPT on Feb 16, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
if anyone misses the reference
they don’t deserve to be edumacated
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
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by Logan Hill on Feb 16, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
as much as i love bob,
i now prefer the metallica cover.
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
For me, this depends on my mood.
I love the original version but, when it’s time to party…………
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets
we are just not meant for one another TK
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Anyone know the details on the latest Foozball commit?
Sorry to even ask here, just heard something about a good ath type was added.
look toward the top of the comments
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whoops! sorry it's in the Mizzou Links comments, my bad
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
I find myself disliking certain players but for the most part in order to hate them, they have to be a true jerk.
Like an Albert Haynesworth kind of jerk. Page is the kind of guy I don’t like but he’s the kind of guy I can respect. Its funny because last night I was thinking about this same thing that’s a topic of discussion today and I was telling myself how I would really like the guy if he was a Tiger.
Tyshawn Taylor is another player I really didn’t like and thought was a bad seed but at this point in the season, he’s earned my respect. I’d probably really dislike TRob too but knowing the tragedy he’s had to overcome has brought a sense of reality to my want for disliking the guy just because he’s a chest thumping, woofin it up, Jayhawk.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
I just love listening to the game announcers slobber all over the team when things are going great like Fran was doing last night.
Coach Knight is a huge fan of this year’s team as well even when he’s being critical of them while calling a game.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
I really liked how he compared steve alford to kimmeh.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
What does "The lead is x% safe" mean?
Surely it doesn’t mean the team in the lead has an x% chance of winning. Does it mean that there’s an x% chance that they will have a lead for the rest of the game?
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 PM CST reply actions
Lead is sufficient enough that the leading team has x% chance of winning the game I believe.
That a pretty cool game flow chart.
Need to compare them to the two charts from Notre Dame and California, the KC games from December.
I don't think that's right.
It would be absurd to say that Mizzou only had an 8% chance of winning when we were up by double digits early in the game.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
here
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2008/03/the_lead_is_safe.html
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Ah, cool. Thanks.
As a math nerd, I can think of a dozen things you can do with this.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 16, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
so it's really "Team A is x% of the way to having an insurmountable lead"
I wonder if the ’74 Duke-UNC game is the only example where a “safe” lead proved unsafe
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Virginia apparently did it last year
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/03/virginia_may_have_blown_a_100.html
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And wasn't it fHaith's team that did it to them?
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by Spider_Monkey on Feb 16, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
BOOM
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
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Three arenas
Never won in Bramlage.
I'm Keyon Dooling in the body of a skinny white kid.
by ratherfantastic on Feb 16, 2012 1:32 PM CST reply actions
GAH
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How do we become a plus one for Sleepy?
I’m available for Senior Night v. Iowa St.
I am an excellent note taker.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 16, 2012 1:37 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Beaker just called into Petro
complaining about the lack of fouls against Mizzou last night and claiming Mizzou doesn’t play defense because they only forced 6 turnovers.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
that was damn funny
he sounded just a bit dense and whiny- shocking.
Speaking of which, I thought last night we played some of our best defense of the season- they were really struggling to get shots at times.
I don't think he actually watched the game
During that 24-2 stretch, oSu was just lobbing the ball up and then falling back into their defense and giving up the rebounds to Mizzou. That’s essentially a turnover even if it doesn’t show up on the stats.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
He was a whiny ass wasn't he
Petro should have told him not every team plays against a Turn-over Taylor type player that throws the ball into the stands six times a game by himself.
The best sign at the kState kU game:
Tyshawn, throw me the ball!
"Success is not owned. It's rented, and you have to pay rent every day."
-Frank Haith
and when they were getting good looks at the basket, alot of times they just weren't falling.
I thought that it looked like we were getting the better end of the officiating too, but in almost every game someone is going to get that edge even if its a tiny one. I won’t complain.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
Way way OT
But does anybody else always hear this every time Eye of the Tiger is played?
I wish
unfortunately I only hear this
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
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by Logan Hill on Feb 16, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I forgot about that commercial
Funny stuff.
by CBonerfied on Feb 16, 2012 9:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Out of the remaining game lest, how would some of you rank your confidence for a Tiger victory?
Here’s mine in order of most to least confident.
@ Tech
@ A&M
vs Iowa State
vs Kansas State
@ Kansas
I feel pretty good about the two non-KU road games because those teams have been having a ton of difficulty but am a little unsure of A&M because unlike some of our opponents, we will have to face them with Middleton yet again.
I think Iowa State is a better team than K-State right now but it seems like we aren’t as good of a matchup with K-State.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
Gotta be most confident in home games
Iowa state
KSU
@Tech
@A&M
ku
by CBonerfied on Feb 16, 2012 3:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Personally Royce White scares me more than road games at tech or A&M. He is a nightmare matchup for us..
And I think they will really try and exploit that.
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ISU
@ku
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good point
he could go off for 30 and 20 and if our threes aren’t falling . . .
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by mizzou2396 on Feb 16, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if Jones could keep close enough to White to foul him on purpose.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
Nick Wright just reported
FBI busted two Lawrence cops for fixing traffic tickets in exchange for Kansas bball tickets.
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by Gaknar on Feb 16, 2012 3:25 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Ha, and the hits keep on coming for KU.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Heres a link to the lawrence journal world article
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 16, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, they won't release the names and consider it a personnel problem
and that the Chief believes no charges will be forthcoming?
Sounds like basic corruption 101. It must be nice to live in a world where committing crimes and being corrupt might get you a paid vacation at best and job termination at worst. There is probably a nearby equivalent to Ashland that will hire the guys should they be fired too.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
Great
A blog post for tomorrow!
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 16, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Here's where I reiterate the idea
that I’m glad CoMo police busted Pinkel and Mizzou/He took the flak for that. It sucks the amount of money Pinkel was fined, and the games but..
…its better than what just happened to Beaker PD.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 16, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
amen
There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
if it wasn't kansas we're talking about,
i wouldn’t blame ‘em. you don’t get that kind of action on stubhub.
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
So this exists, and is in my fridge

There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
by Logan Hill on Feb 16, 2012 7:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I LOVE Voodoo Doughnuts.
You owe it to yourself to go to Portland and eat a few.
I have yet to try the beer though.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Huzzah!
Voodoo is a way of life.
I want to try this brew….like really really bad.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 17, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions

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