Study Hall: Mizzou 71, Texas A&M 62
Your Trifecta: English-Dixon-Denmon.Your winner: nobody! We had an English-Denmon-Dixon, there is no "close" in Trifecta.
First, some links:
- MUtigers.com: No. 3 Missouri Holds Off Texas A&M For 71-62 Win
- The Trib: Tigers match best start in school history
The Trib: Offensive foul on A&M helps MU maintain control - The Missourian: Missouri beats Texas A&M on the road
The Missourian: PHOTO GALLERY: No. 3 Missouri defeats Texas A&M - KC Star: Missouri gets first win at Texas A&M since 2001
KC Star: MU notebook: Senior guard Matt Pressey rolls his ankle
KC Star (Campus Corner): Inside Mizzou: More notes from a 71-62 win over Texas A&M - Post-Dispatch: Mizzou outlasts Texas A&M 71-62
Post-Dispatch: MU fans, count your blessings - PowerMizzou: POST GAME HOOPS THOUGHTS
- Hank's Sports Blog: No. 3 Missouri wins at College Station for first time since 2001
- ESPN.com: HIGHLIGHTS: Missouri 71, Texas A&M 62
A quick argument about semantics:
Flop by Moore called charge, then a 3 by Denmon to ice it, where have I seen this before? #KU
— Doug Gottlieb (@GottliebShow) February 18, 2012
@Englishscope24 good for u to stick up for Steve-but that was a flop-smart play when he gets the call-congrats on win- see u tues
— Doug Gottlieb (@GottliebShow) February 19, 2012
@GottliebShow See you Tuesday.
— Kim English (@Englishscope24) February 19, 2012
Now, I don't really care about this argument, simply because ... well ... even if Mizzou were getting lucky with official calls ... it's not like Mizzou hasn't endured plenty of awful calls itself over the years. Hell, part of Mizzou's athletics history has been defined by not only getting screwed by officiating, but getting creatively screwed (Fifth Down, Flea Kicker). So the bottom line here is that benefiting from bad calls is a lot better than losing because of them.
That said ... how in the world was yesterday's charge supposedly a bad call? I think we have completely ruined the word "flop" at this point. It is semantics, but there is, and has always been, a difference between selling a call and flopping. To me, flopping is trying to convince the ref that a foul occurred when it didn't. Flopping is cynical; flopping is what you see 116 times during a Serie A match. Selling a foul is not. There's certainly acting involved, and it certainly annoys the hell out of you when your opponent gets away with it (I absolutely loathed former Texas guard Royal Ivey for this very reason; Ivey's assistant coach at Texas, by the way: Frank Haith), but the bottom line is that Steve Moore beat David Loubeau to a spot on the court with 1:07 remaining in yesterday's game, and he took a full-on shoulder square in the chest. Did he sell the call? Absolutely. As A&M coach Billy Kennedy so kindly pointed out yesterday, Moore's got 30 pounds on Loubeau (not the 65 Kennedy suggested, but hey ... can't blame Kennedy for selling the point, right?), and there's no way Moore would have hit the ground that hard unless Loubeau hit him running full-speed. But guess what: it was still a charge. Sometimes you have to sell it to get the call, and I have absolutely no problem with that as long as there is a foul to sell.
The "Mizzou is getting all the calls!!!!" meme is a bit annoying even though, as referenced up top, I wouldn't really care even if Mizzou were getting all the calls. Scoreboard.
(And no, I'm not even going to touch on the issue of Doug Gottlieb taking to Twitter to moan and complain about officiating and/or troll "idiot" Mizzou fans while on the job as a basketball analyst, in between TV segments. From here on out, I suggest we all take heed of D-Sing's advice.)
Actual stats after the jump.
Mizzou 71, Texas A&M 62
| Mizzou |
A&M | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) | 59.1 | |
| Points Per Minute | 1.78 | 1.55 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) | 1.20 | 1.05 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) | 1.73 | 1.27 |
| 2-PT FG% | 71.4% | 59.4% |
| 3-PT FG% | 40.0% | 29.4% |
| FT% | 85.0% | 90.0% |
| True Shooting % | 71.3% | 58.1% |
| Mizzou | A&M | |
| Assists | 16 | 15 |
| Steals | 5 | 9 |
| Turnovers | 14 | 10 |
|
Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.50 | 2.40 |
| Mizzou | A&M | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 7 | 9 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 4 | 3 |
| Difference | -3 | -6 |
Another Killer Stretch
With 15:32 remaining in the game, Elston Turner made a jumper (one of only two baskets A&M's most consistent scorer made all afternoon) to cut Missouri's lead to 34-32. Mizzou had come out of the gates slowly in both halves, and A&M had generated some solid momentum. After a 30-second timeout, here are Mizzou's next 16 possessions:
- Marcus Denmon 3-pointer (37-32, 15:39)
- Kim English jumper (39-34, 14:54)
- Marcus Denmon 3-pointer (42-34, 14:12)
- Kim English jumper (44-36, 13:30)
- Kim English two free throws (46-36, 12:37)
- Kim English offensive rebound, two free throws (48-38, 11:50)
- Mike Dixon jumper (50-40, 11:08)
- Kim English turnover
- Phil Pressey layup (52-40, 9:25)
- Mike Dixon layup (54-43, 8:33)
- Mike Dixon jumper (56-43, 7:36)
- Phil Pressey turnover
- Mike Dixon two free throws (58-47, 6:18)
- Kim English jumper (60-49, 5:05)
- Mike Dixon 3-pointer (63-52, 4:08)
- Mike Dixon two free throws (65-55, 3:13)
Sixteen possessions, 31 points, two empty possessions. A&M's offense had found its rhythm; they scored 23 points in the same span -- over 1.50 points per possession -- and saw their deficit grow from two to 10 points regardless. I feared an explosive offensive performance from the Aggies, and we certainly saw a solid one (1.05 points per possession for the game), but Missouri won because they have the most efficient offense in the country. We are so spoiled this year in that regard. There has been a point in almost every game this season (all but two, obviously) where I just find myself shaking my head and thinking, "This is ridiculous."
Good Mizzou On The Glass ... Sort Of
There were a combined seven offensive rebounds in this game, a strangely low amount even considering both teams shot well enough to limit overall offensive rebound opportunities. This points to a budding issue with the Tigers: they seem to be getting better on the defensive glass and worse on the offensive glass. In sum, that is probably a fair trade considering how well Mizzou tends to shoot (the Tigers, after all, do still rank first in overall Offensive Efficiency), but it's certainly an interesting development.
- vs Texas Tech: -1 Expected Offensive Rebounds, +3 Expected Defensive Rebounds
- at Texas: -5 Offensive Rebounds, -3 Defensive Rebounds
- vs Kansas: -5 Offensive Rebounds, +3 Defensive Rebounds
- at Oklahoma: -5 Offensive Rebounds, -2 Defensive Rebounds
- vs Baylor: -3 Offensive Rebounds, -4 Defensive Rebounds
- vs Oklahoma State: +0 Offensive Rebounds, +4 Defensive Rebounds
- at Texas A&M: -3 Offensive Rebounds, +5 Defensive Rebounds
- COMBINED: -22 Offensive Rebounds, +6 Defensive Rebounds
The last time Mizzou was on the plus side of the ledger in terms of expected offensive rebounds was January 21 at Baylor. Ricardo Ratliffe had 24 offensive boards in the seven games above, and the rest of the team combined had 31 (including deadball rebounds). They have fallen to 223rd in Offensive Rebound Rate and risen to 136th in Defensive Rebound Rate. Probably a fair trade, but still, you'd like to be really good at everything, right?
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Kim English | 22.5 | 0.61 | 37 Min, 21 Pts (6-10 FG, 3-6 3PT, 6-8 FT), 6 Reb, 4 Stl, 3 TO |
| Mike Dixon | 14.5 | 0.66 | 22 Min, 15 Pts (5-8 FG, 1-4 3PT, 4-4 FT), 6 Ast, 3 TO |
| Marcus Denmon | 13.6 | 0.37 | 37 Min, 14 Pts (4-10 FG, 3-7 3PT, 3-4 FT), 6 Reb |
| Phil Pressey | 12.4 | 0.34 | 36 Min, 13 Pts (4-5 FG, 1-2 3PT, 4-4 FT), 7 Ast, 5 TO |
| Steve Moore | 4.4 | 0.22 | 20 Min, 2 Pts (1-1 FG), 2 Reb |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 1.4 | 0.06 | 23 Min, 4 Pts (2-5 FG), 6 Reb (2 Off), 2 TO |
| Matt Pressey | 0.7 | 0.03 | 25 Min, 2 Pts (1-2 FG, 0-1 3PT) |
| Jarrett Sutton | 0.0 | 0.00 | 0+ Min |
- Turnovers were an odd issue yesterday -- Mizzou's two point guards combined for 13 assists but gave away some gains with eight turnovers -- but A&M's gambling defense (they were stepping into passing lanes as much as possible) obviously opened them up to some issues as well. Mizzou suffered some turnoveritis, grabbed just four offensive rebounds ... and still averaged 1.20 points per possession on the road. So many ways to do you in. (To quote a sample from an old Snoop Dogg album, from before he was a cartoon character, "Six million ways to die: choose one.")
- Ricardo Ratliffe, last five games: 46 points on 20-for-34 shooting (58.9%). His touch has disappeared on him, and unlike other members of the team, he simply cannot buy a call right now, shooting just 11 free throws (as we know from Twitter, Mizzou has clearly paid off the refs, ahem, but somehow it hasn't helped 'Cardo at all). His chances at the single-season FG% record are fading -- he is 'down' to 72.6% for the season -- but in the meantime, he has raised his game on the glass. In the same five games, he has averaged 8.0 rebounds per game (three offensive, five defensive). Through 22 games, he was averaging 14.7 PPG and 6.7 RPG; in the last five, he's averaged 9.2 PPG and 8.0 RPG. An odd shift. (Also: Mizzou is 5-0 in these games.)
- Another fun "Last __ Games" tidbit: over the last six games, Mizzou almost has five players averaging in double-figures: Denmon 17.8 PPG, Dixon 15.8, English 13.3, P. Pressey 10.8, Ratliffe 9.8, M. Pressey 2.8, Moore 2.5.
- And yes, Mike Dixon has averaged 15.8 points in six games ... shooting 65.5% from the field. He is 24-for-30 on 2-pointers (80.0%), 12-for-25 on 3-pointers (40.0%), and only 11-for-14 on free throws (78.6%). Bottle this up, Mike.
One more thing: I just cannot say how much I loved the fact that Frank Haith subbed in Jarrett Sutton for fouling purposes late in the first half. I know it is very much en vogue for us to make fun of all the ways Haith is 'far superior' to Mike Anderson (classic "My new girlfriend is so much [hotter, smarter, funnier, better in every way] than my ex!!!" behavior), but there is just no getting around how refreshing Haith's (and his staff's) tactical acumen has been. There are many benefits to a "system" like what Anderson runs; in a fully-defined system, you hone instincts, and you don't have to think too much on the court. You know what to do because that's what the system tells you to do. (And yes, that is a bit of an over-generalization.) Anderson's "system" brought Mizzou out of some serious basketball doldrums. A "system" is a strategy. But Haith and staff have taken Mizzou to a completely different level -- if they beat Kansas State, they will be 26-2 for the first time in their history -- in part because of tactics. Mizzou knew A&M was drawing up a play to advance the length of the court in six seconds, and they knew they had fouls to give, so Matt Pressey and Sutton assumed the backcourt duties, fouled with three seconds left, subbed Sutton out, and forced a bad shot at the buzzer. Just tremendous.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| English | 28% | 44% | 2.5 | 22% | 37% | 31% | 11% |
| Dixon | 36% | 53% | 7.9 | 70% | 16% | 8% | 6% |
| Denmon | 20% | 39% | 1.9 | 29% | 50% | 21% | 0% |
| P. Pressey | 20% | 51% | 5.3 | 74% | 9% | 8% | 9% |
| Moore | 3% | 100% | 0.2 | 0% | 100% | 0% | 0% |
| Ratliffe | 19% | 23% | 1.0 | 0% | 71% | 0% | 29% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (No.)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (No.)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (No.)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (Yes!)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes!)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (No.)
Just 3-for-7. It was an odd game, with Denmon only posting an average performance (and yes, "14 points on 4-for-10 shooting" is indeed 'average'), Mizzou turning the ball over like crazy, and Ratliffe being completely ineffective underneath. But, again, scoreboard.
Three Keys Revisited
Road Things
Always. Offensive rebounds, fouls and Phil Pressey. All three of these things went Mizzou's way in their 70-51 win over A&M in Columbia -- Mizzou grabbed more offensive rebounds, fouled eight fewer times and got 10 points, four assists and three steals out of Flip. But those things usually go well for Mizzou in Columbia. The road is sometimes a different story.
Expected Rebounds: Mizzou +3
Fouls: Texas A&M 21, Mizzou 12
Phil Pressey: 36 minutes, 13 points (4-5 FG, 4-4 FT), 7 assists, 5 turnovers
Flip did get a bit careless with the ball at times, but we still got Mostly Good Flip, meaning Mizzou aced all three Road Things categories.
The Long Ball
A&M takes about 15 3-pointers per game, which is quite a few considering their slow pace. They have also been making about 39 percent of them recently. Both teams are relatively hot from long-range, so who stays hot tomorrow?
3-Pointers: Mizzou 8-for-20 (40.0%), A&M 5-for-17 (29.4%)
I feared the worst when Khris Middleton made his first 3-pointer of the game (just like Oklahoma State's Markel Brown did on Wednesday), but A&M made just four of their last 16; their primary 3-pointer shooters -- Elston Turner, Naji Hibbert and Zach Kinsley -- made just three of 13. Meanwhile, Phil Pressey, Marcus Denmon and Kim English made seven of 15, and that's despite taking a small handful of silly, shouldn't-have-done-that shots in the first half.
Denmon & Dixon vs. Turner & Middleton
A&M has two high-volume scorers for the most part -- Elston Turner and Khris Middleton -- with potentially a third (Loubeau) chipping in. Yes, a 3-point shooter like Naji Hibbert or Daniel Alexander could also get hot, but for the most part A&M can win if Turner and Middleton can outduel Mizzou's most high-volume scorers (Marcus Denmon and Mike Dixon). Without a victory in that matchup, it will be difficult (but not impossible) for A&M to generate the necessary offense.
Marcus Denmon & Mike Dixon: 29 points (5-7 2PT, 4-11 3PT, 7-8 FT)
Elston Turner & Khris Middleton: 22 points (5-11 2PT, 2-10 3PT, 6-6 FT)
Winner, winner. Denmon and Dixon won this scoring battle by seven in a game Mizzou won by nine.
Summary
A year after going 1-7 on the road in conference play, Mizzou now stands at 5-2; they got the opportunity to avenge one of their two losses and flipped the scoreboard by 25 points. On Tuesday, they get their next revenge opportunity against a Kansas State team that had been floundering a bit (2-4 in their last six) before scoring an enormous road upset of Baylor. Mizzou's newfound defensive rebound abilities will obviously be put to the test against this "chuck it at the rim, grab the rebound, and then start your offense" squad, but while one can certainly find reasons for concern, I just have to keep giving this wonderful team the benefit of the doubt.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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Re: Doug Gottlieb
I’ve used this quote before and I will use it again: There’s no point in arguing with morons. They will just drag you down to their level and then beat you to death with experience.
And just wondering…with a name like Doug GottlieB, could he be the anti-DGB? You know, sort of like a Mizzou anti-Christ?
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
by Cardina1 on Feb 19, 2012 10:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Meh...the way people treated his recruitment, you'd think he IS.
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
I don't care if Missouri is getting all the calls either...
But I am beginning to be concerned about a backlash. As people often say, perception is reality. And if the perception nationally — or in the Big 12 — is that Missouri is getting too many calls, it won’t matter whether its true. I fear that referees will begin to consciously or subconsciously screw Mizzou, which would really be awful for a short-benched team.
Think about all the teams who end up with the "THEY GET ALL THE CALLS!" reputation.
They have had that reputation for, basically, decades. There has been no sub-conscious adjustment from the referees.
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by HHKB Chris on Feb 19, 2012 12:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I actually think it might reinforce itself
if the refs go in thinking we don’t foul alot, they may be more prone to thinking the close calls are good defense rather than hacking or blocking
Thoughts on this
For all we and others complain about refs, they aren’t dummies. There have been plenty of times this season where Kimmie falls to the floor and throws his hands up expecting the foul and doesn’t get it. The refs know when they’re being worked. That Mizzou still gets the calls is because of good coaching and excellent game planning. There are two ways this has manifested. The first is the English/Moore “flop”. Kimmie destroyed Mongo Withey because he studied the Jayhawks game plan and knew exactly where Withey would go on his plays. Even if he sells the fall, if he’s in the right spot with his feet planted and Withy bumps into him, it’s a charge. The ref can’t just ignore it because he thought English oversold it. The second method I didn’t notice until the announcers brought it up yesterday was the way Mizzou’s guards use their speed to keep the defender from getting set and then initiating contact. Phil is the master of this. Again, the refs may know what’s going on, but if the defender isn’t set and he’s in Phil’s spot, it’s an easy call.
The refs know Mizzou by now and they know how they play. They aren’t going to be fooled by flopping at this point.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
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There have been plenty of times this season where Kimmie falls to the floor and throws his hands up expecting the foul and doesn’t get it.
Including twice yesterday when we were supposedly getting ALL of the calls!
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I was really impressed with how fast Steeeeeeeve hit the pavement yesterday.
I recall on at least 2 occasions where the 267 pounder (or 300 pounder if you prefer Kennedy’s scale) dove faster than anyone else. There are many things to be impressed with Steeeeeeeve beyond his culinary prowess.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
He's been really good this season
A little scoring, good D, rebounding, a few blocked shots (it seems he no longer blocks 1-2 shots a game like he did the first half of the season however), and just smart play.
Perhaps he can be our Brian Zoubek come March.
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Back on topic, I love other fans griping about us getting all the calls. Hope it continues until April.
Simple reply
Aside from pointing out, as Bill did, that Mizzou has never, EVER, been the “getting all the calls”, program, you can always point out that we’re leaving for the SEC, the Big 12 hates Mizzou at this point, and it make ZERO sense to imply we’re getting any sort of partial officiating. Just ask Bo Pellini about that whole scenario.
by Icknae on Feb 19, 2012 10:35 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Of course
So is A&M, but the point still stands.
by Icknae on Feb 19, 2012 10:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
A&M isn't at fault for all of realignment like Missouri is.
It’s Mizzou’s fault that aTm even had to think about leaving.
The bastards.
I did not know this, but it makes all the sense in the world.
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by Spider_Monkey on Feb 19, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
i guess i don't recall the specific calls gottlieb was going on about, but are "charge" and "flop" mutually exclusive?
i can’t find a rulebook accessible online, but if you’re set in a legal guarding position and are hit by an offensive player, that’s a charge. One doesn’t have to fall over to make it a charge, so what’s wrong with a little acting to make it clear to the refs that you have taken a charge? A charge is a charge is a charge, is a big guy like Steeeeeve only allowed to be fouled by someone big enough to knock him down honestly?
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by bgtd on Feb 19, 2012 10:38 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I see that Bill says essentially the exact same thing, supra.
How dare you go back in time and scoop my comment!
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I think the acting is hilarious, especially when it doesn't work
Kimmie almost seems offended when he doesn’t get the call. And it annoys the Beakers, so I say flop away Kimmie, flop away.
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this is really the key issue here
if we beat them in lawrence with a charge or two heavily involved they’ll flip out.
I'd love to have the opportunity to watch them flip out!
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I think Fran said on the air that it was a good flop, meaning that it was a charge but
Moore fell down a bit too easily (not his words, but the sentiment that I recalled). I guess I don’t mind people using the term flop as long as they don’t imply that it was not a charge, but one purely created by acting. One reason for falling down and not resisting the contact with all of one’s might is safety for the player taking the contact. I’ll take a planned fall on my butt, than a resist and get my head knocked any day.
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The thing is, when they don't flop it seems like it ends in a no call or even a blocking foul.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
i take issue with the term "flop".
if you are in a stationary position and someone exerts their force into you, it takes an equal amount of force to not fall to the floor. which defeats the entire purpose of beating your man to the spot in the first place.
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by threadkiller on Feb 19, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Do you see the ref in that picture bragging about the hair implants Mike Alden bought him?
Unbelievable!
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by Gaknar on Feb 19, 2012 10:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't really understand why the call yesterday is even that big of deal?
Even if aTm would have scored and say even completed an and one on that trip. At no time down the stretch did aTm prove they could stop Dixon or English. Those two were scoring every time Mizzou needed them to. I don’t think a non call or even a different call changes anything in that game!
Right. Mizzou shot 56% and out rebounded a bigger team
and Billy Kennedy wants to single out one play.
by John Murdoch on Feb 19, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
What is funny about the "charge" controversy
is that in the same game Loubeau got away with an obvious charge, where he ran into Kimmeh! in the open floor after Kimmeh was perfectly set.
Missouri DID draw an undeserved charge earlier in the game, a call the refs gave right back on the next possession when Flip passed the ball back to Big Pressey and continued into the defender. (That’s the one where Big Pressey hit the three after the whistle.)
ALL of those calls were more difficult than the charge Steve drew. He was planted, arms extended straight up, and he took the lowered shoulder right in the chest. He hit the deck, but so does everyone trying to draw a charge.
Frankly, across the basketball landscape officials have done a better job with block/charge calls because of the semi-circle. This is some seriously manufactured controversy.
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Correction: the @missouriwbb win over kU yesterday did not clinch the all-sport Border War for #Mizzou, but we do have a hefty lead!
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
I've been looking at that statsheet site Bill gets some of his graphs from.
And in their game previews they have “Four keys to winning”. Does anybody happen to know how they determined those four stats were key and the relative importance of each? I can’t find it anywhere on their site.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 19, 2012 11:29 AM CST reply actions
Woo!
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Marston beats out an infield single and moves to second on a throwing error. Both runners score, #Mizzou leads 3-0.
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Listened to the game on the A&M network on Sirius radio; the A&M announcers both said it was a charge
by scotkell on Feb 19, 2012 12:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for sharing that.
After looking at the replay several times I thought Steve took a pretty good shot to the chest too.
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at some point it might behoove members of the media to actually do their effing homework. some of them have, I’ve even read their articles. HCFH has obviously made this a point of emphasis for our team, to the point that the players have been told how to fall properly so as to not injure themselves. maybe, just maybe, it’s the method of falling without getting injured that makes it look like they are acting or flopping. IMO, all the “controversial” charges have been nothing of the sort and were all legitimate. do we get all the calls on them? hell no. just ask Kimmie, who could have had a couple of his fouls yesterday called as charges but didn’t get the call.
The trifecta line made me think this...
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by faithinhaith on Feb 19, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one
That enjoyed (enjoys) Gottlieb’s brutal decimation of the English language followed by Kim using proper punctuation and spelling?
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by elpjuly4 on Feb 19, 2012 12:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
No, and I also enjoy that Kimmeh comes off
with far more intelligence and class. Glad he didn’t let himself get baited by that joker. Smart kid.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 19, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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i can't think of a better place for him to be.
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by threadkiller on Feb 19, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Wrestlemania? Maybe?
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Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
5 year old KSU fan takes stand against KU
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They're all the enemy any more...
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by achillbreeze on Feb 19, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I didn't quite get your definition of a flop vs. selling it
If Steve’s play is selling it, what is a flop?
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 19, 2012 1:51 PM CST reply actions
x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0upQDkY-pg
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by RPT on Feb 19, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well that's simple
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 19, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Textbook flop
See also:
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There’s a flop for ya
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The thing is I see that as also selling it
This “flopping” thing is just over-exagerrated selling it. The whole argument is very muddled.
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 19, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I consider flopping to be hitting the ground with no contact.
The distinction being whether there is a foul or not. It’s gotten to the point that hitting the ground is prerequisite for getting a charge call … when in reality it shouldn’t be necessary. A foul is a foul whether the player is knocked over or not. So basically what we’re saying is that Steve was fouled and in order to get the official to make the correct call (selling it) he hit the ground.
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 19, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
ALL YOUR CALLS ARE BELONG TO US!!!
sorry if its already been done but it should be done everytime Douggie boy opens his mouth…twitter bomb anyone?
didn't gottlieb get busted for "charging" wherever he was before osu?
can't we just pave over kansas?
Charging on three or four other kids' cards.
About $1,000 worth.
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Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
Notre Dame.
They “allowed” him to leave after paying it back instead of giving him the boot.
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