Two Texas A&M Post-Game Thoughts
1. Kimmeh's! Really a Forward. What a great all-around game we saw from Kimmeh! yesterday in College Station. As I watched the umpteenth Mizzou game with Fran Fraschilla I noticed that he continues to beat the "Bowers'-injury-made-all-this-possible" drum, a story that I believe to be well-intentioned but false. I love that Fran is a big Mizzou fan. (Remember how much he, Bob Knight, and Jay Bilas all gush about Mizzou the next time you're belly-aching about Gottlieb.) But, I really disagree with a couple of memes that Coach Fran harps on continuously both of which involve Kimmeh!
Meme 1: Bowers' injury made Missouri faster, because it lead to Meme 2: a four guard lineup where Kimmeh! is the fourth guard. Admittedly that's poetic, but it's also wrong.
Why Coach Fran is Wrong. First of all, just on speed, Kimmeh! is NOT faster than Party Starter with the ball in his hands. When either of those guys has the ball in his hands in the open floor we all hold our breath, but for very different reasons. Kimmeh! brings better perimeter shooting and better spacing, but not speed. No. Second, Fran is convinced that Kimmeh! replaced Bowers because they both (technically) play the power forward. In truth though, Big Pressey replaced Bowers. Kimmeh! was always going to play for Haith, who recruited him and knew how to use him.
Add to that, Missouri doesn't really play four guards. Regardless of how he may be listed, Kimmeh! is a forward not a shooting guard--and the distinction is important. Moving Kimmeh! to forward was a brilliant move by Haith. Kimmeh! lacks quickness and ball handling when matched up against traditional shooting guards. He is a natural small forward though, a bit undersized but offsets that to some degree with his strength. He may be matching up against power forwards this season but that's not really a stretch for his skill set and his body type. (I joked in yesterday's game thread that Kimmeh! has a power forward's butt.) The overlap between college small forwards and power forwards is pretty substantial. Kimmeh's transformation has been a natural fit for him and fun to watch, but he's not playing out of position this year. He was playing out of position the other years. I also strongly suspect this transformation would have occurred regardless of Bowers' injury. Had Party Starter played, Big Pressey's minutes would have suffered more than Kimmeh's!
I harp on this point, because the story here isn't so much about Kimmeh being willing to sacrifice by playing out of position (and Mizzou getting lucky it's worked out so well). The story is about Haith recognizing his skill set and the matchup possibilities.
2. Keep an Eye on Turnovers. Dumb turnovers are something to watch. On a smart team that generally values the ball they can be a tell-tale sign of team-wide fatigue. What we saw yesterday early on weren't the "trying-to-make-the-spectacular-pass" turnovers that we can see from this club sometimes. There were quite a few lazy, telegraphed passes. These are the dog days. Haith has taken to the old Coach K strategy of playing stall ball after the under 8 minute time out, as a way of getting in-game rest.
3. Bonus Point: Ratliffe Looks Tired. I am hoping Ricardo can find his second wind this week. He looked generally beat yesterday in the second half. He really got pushed off his spot. I wonder if Haith will consider trying to steal a minute or two with Andrew Jones somewhere along the line.
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Andrew Jones?
I love that he’s on the team, but I would worry if he’s in the game when the outcome is still in doubt.
I think he can steal a few minutes, but only if he improves. Right now you can’t trust him to steal those few minutes.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
We rarely score when he is in the game
And you’d think his hands would be much better considering he’s a tight end and all that jazz
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden
by lost..in the woods on Feb 19, 2012 7:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is the part I might agree with Fran
If Bowers were aboard, Kim would be guarding smaller, quicker players. Agreed about the skill sets and offensive skills, but unless you’re saying Bowers would guard the small forwards, it would be a substantial difference from what we’re seeing this year.
by CBonerfied on Feb 19, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Kimmeh! would play the 3 with Party Starter at the 4
He wouldn’t be taking nearly so many charges, but the boards and the effort are real. He’s a much better defender, and it’s not just because he has a quickness advantage on power forwards.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Give Haith all the credit in the world...
…he assembled this staff. But I find myself wondering all the time how much of the scheme is Nestor. While watching the time outs or some stop in the game Nestor seems to be the center of attention, at least for a large portion of the stoppage. Haith talks, of course, but always at some point Haith and all the players look to he loveable bald man. I’m not saying he’s done it all on his own, just a large part and I think people should mention his name more. I could be wrong, totally and completely.
Coach Haith should get the majority of the credit, though.
Because you know if something goes wrong he will get ALL of the blame.
I don’t recall ever hearing much about assistant coaches for any team.
I wonder that too.
I’ve never heard a commentator talk about Coach Nestor. Although in the end, I don’t care. If Haith recognizes that Ernie is some kind of master tactician and let’s him have that level of input, then he should be given credit for using his resources. It’s good management.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
I saw the ND game at the Sprint Center.
I thought it was very interesting at the time-outs because Haith would first be surrounded by his assistant coaches who did some talking and then Haith would talk to the team. It happened on enough time-outs that I noticed it.
Can’t tell now on the tube if this still happens and I have had a complete black-out of the KS game.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 19, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty standard stuff
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
It's hard to say exactly because Haith is something of a Nestor "disciple"
I believe he coached under Nestor early in his career. So, I suspect he’d be doing some of the same things he’s doing now even if Nestor were not on the bench.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Feb 19, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
They were together at Wake Forest for a few years
Both assistants.
Check out the up-and-coming Mizzou blog: http://www.zoulogy.com
Correct
I was (incorrectly) thinking that Haith coached under Nestor as a grad assistant at Elon, but they were there at different times.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Still think English is a natural 2
but the Swingman label works and I agree English was gonna start anyway.
Really glad that going into both KU games..
that we’ve been the team that had the extra day (or two days) of rest. We had the Monday-Saturday schedule the first time around while KU was Wed-Sat.
We get the Tues-Sat this time while KU has the Wed-Sat again.
Sometimes I say things.
We certainly can use the rest
As special as this year has been, I’m afraid that our lack of depth may kill us in the Conf Tourney when you get no rest, or the NCAA Tourney when you play 2 games in a weekend. Granted, everyone has that happening, but most teams we’ll be playing have the ability to rest guys.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
maybe it wouldn't be so bad to only win 1 game in the big mess tourney.
Genesis 1:1
by threadkiller on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
If we finish the regular season with only 2 losses, I think we have the #1 Midwest seed locked up
if we lose in Lawrence, I think we need to win the Big 12 Tourney.
I really want to see this team play in Omaha and St. Louis during the tournament.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
Could be the #2 seed in the Midwest
but more than likely Mizzou ends up in the West because Mizzou is always in the West.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
If we don't get the #1 in the Midwest,
I think Kansas does. I don’t see us as Kansas’ #2 seed. I don’t think that would be legal.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
It's not allowed
but kU could lose out to MSU or something. They’d probably get the #2 midwest seed then.
Mizzou to the West without the #1 Midwest seed. Book it.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.

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