Know Your Border Rival: Kansas Jayhawks
LEAVE YOUR TRIFECTA PICKS IN COMMENTS.
I feel I should start this post with some personal thoughts about the Kansas rivalry. I really can't think of much that others haven't already said, honestly. I absolutely think moving to the SEC was the right thing to do, but it really, really sucks that the Border War will be, at the very least, a temporary casualty of the move. I honestly won't miss it that much in football, at least not if/until Kansas improves by a decent amount, but there is nothing more enjoyable than Mizzou Arena in the opening moments of a Mizzou-Kansas basketball game. (Actually, there is one thing, but we don't get it every year: the final moments of a Mizzou-Kansas game when Mizzou is lucky enough to be winning.) And a future neutral-site game could be even more intense (or at least tense), albeit in a different way. Hopefully once we've moved past the "Remember, this is all Missouri's fault" stage of the Big 12's re-expansion, we can get this series back on the docket. Regardless, tomorrow night's game is going to be perhaps the most intense home game I've ever attended. Mizzou earned permanent bragging rights in football a couple of months ago, but now's the chance to steal another great moment right before the deadline.
Oh yeah, and it's an enormous game for other obvious reasons. By about 10:30 p.m. on Saturday, Mizzou could be not only basking in the light of a fun win (after a pretty fun Gameday day), but also first place in the Big 12.
Kansas Jayhawks (18-4)
| KU |
Opp. | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
67.4 |
|
| Points Per Minute |
1.89 |
1.52 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.12 |
0.90 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.35 |
1.11 |
| 2-PT FG% | 54.9% |
39.1% |
| 3-PT FG% | 34.4% |
34.7% |
| FT% | 69.0% |
70.2% |
| True Shooting % | 57.5% |
48.1% |
| KU | Opp. | |
| Assists/Gm | 16.0 |
10.5 |
| Steals/Gm | 7.7 |
6.9 |
| Turnovers/Gm | 13.6 |
15.3 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.74 |
1.14 |
| KU | Opp. | |
| Expected Off. Rebounds/Gm | 11.3 |
13.0 |
| Offensive Rebounds/Gm | 11.5 |
10.4 |
| Difference | +0.2 |
-2.6 |
Every time Kansas experiences a solid amount of turnover, we tend to pile on and assume their Big 12 title run is done. And every time, they win the conference title anyway. Granted, they might be in second place (if we're counting tie-breakers, ahem) by late Saturday night, but at this moment, they are once again alone in first and have once again crafted a sturdy team around both star power (Thomas Robinson) and high-quality defense. As good as Kansas has been offensively through the years, their defense has remained incredibly underrated. Because of Robinson and, in particular, long-armed Jeff Withey, opponents are struggling so much near the basket that their 3-point percentage (35%) is almost as good as their 2-point percentage (39%).
At the same time, the Jayhawks are certainly limited in certain areas. They do allow opponents to make 35% of their 3-pointers, they have a thin bench, they're only good on the glass (and not spectacular, as in some past years), and they can, at times, fall down the turnovers rabbit hole. As you'll see, the matchups are interesting in this one -- both teams seem to hold some significant advantages over the other, and which team most fully exploits their advantages will be the one that takes home the win. (Obviously, with the game being in the most hostile of environments, one would hope that KU's turnover troubles would become exacerbated. We'll see.)
Ken Pomeroy Stats
|
KU Offense vs MU Defense Ranks |
|||
| KU Offense | MU Defense | Advantage | |
| Efficiency | 10 |
51 |
KU |
| Effective FG% | 24 |
164 |
KU Big |
| Turnover % | 121 |
37 |
MU |
| Off. Reb. % | 85 |
122 |
KU |
| FTA/FGA | 100 |
13 |
MU |
|
MU Offense vs KU Defense Ranks |
|||
| MU Offense | KU Defense | Advantage | |
| Efficiency | 2 |
3 |
Push |
| Effective FG% | 3 |
9 |
Push |
| Turnover % | 4 |
89 |
MU |
| Off. Reb. % | 158 |
36 |
KU Big |
| FTA/FGA | 104 |
144 |
MU |
Where the Beakers are weakest
In the main categories Ken Pomeroy tracks (the "Four Factors" categories above, plus shooting percentages, block percentages and steal percentages), last year's Kansas team ranked 100th or worse in only four: turnover percentage (offense and defense) and free throw percentages (offense and defense). This year, they rank 100th or worse in nine:
- Offense: 100th in FTA/FGA, 113th in Block%, 121st in Turnover%, 154th in 3PT%, 172nd in FT%, 209th in Steal%.
- Defense: 144th in FTA/FGA, 192nd in 3PT%, 247th in FT%.
The Jayhawks' strengths are still quite strong -- they do, after all, rank third in Ken Pomeroy's ratings, top ten in both offense and defense -- but they have a few more holes, as one would expect after experiencing so much turnover from last year.
(They're also 312th in Bench Minutes. They are thin, and while that isn't something Mizzou can't take advantage of, it does signify a Mizzou weakness they probably won't be able to exploit.)
Where they are best
Like I said, their strengths are still quite strong. They rank seventh in Off. 2PT%, which makes sense considering how much of the offense Thomas Robinson tends to occupy. They also rank fourth in Def. 2PT%, 13th in Def. Block%, and 11th in Average Height. Their offense can come and go, but they are going to swat away a ton of shots near the basket, just like Oklahoma State did. And because of the quality of their defense, they can usually buy enough time until an offensive hot streak.
KU's Season to Date
- Wins Versus Top 200 Teams (Team Rank is from KenPom.com)
No. 1 Ohio State, 78-67
No. 9 Baylor, 92-74
vs No. 16 Georgetown, 67-63
at No. 20 Texas, 69-66
No. 23 Kansas State, 67-49
No. 35 Iowa State, 82-73
No. 40 Long Beach State, 88-80
vs No. 48 UCLA, 72-56
at No. 79 Oklahoma, 72-61
No. 79 Oklahoma, 84-62
No. 97 South Florida, 90-42
No. 108 Texas A&M, 64-54
No. 158 Florida Atlantic, 77-54
at No. 188 USC, 63-47
- Losses
vs No. 2 Kentucky, 65-75
vs No. 12 Duke, 61-68
at No. 35 Iowa State, 64-72
vs No. 76 Davidson, 74-80
Kansas' strength of schedule ranks second overall, according to Pomeroy. They have already played 14 games versus Top 80 teams (Mizzou: 10), but if there is a silver lining here, it's that, in those 14 games, Kansas is 6-0 at home and just 4-4 away from home. They have certainly headed in the right direction -- they have won 15 of 17 overall -- but they did lose by eight points in Ames last Saturday, a place where Mizzou won by seven. (Hooray, transitive property!) At some point, the strength of your schedule (when comparing to a conference foe) stops mattering, and we've just about reached that point here. Regardless, this reaffirms both that a) Kansas is a damn good team, and b) Kansas is certainly a bit more vulnerable than normal away from Allen Field House.
KU Player Stats
| Player | AdjGS*/Gm | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Thomas Robinson (6'10, 237, Jr.) |
18.5 |
0.60 |
31.0 MPG, 17.6 PPG (55% 2PT, 67% FT), 12.0 RPG, 1.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 2.4 TOPG |
|
Tyshawn Taylor (6'3, 185, Sr.) |
13.8 |
0.43 |
32.1 MPG, 16.7 PPG (50% 2PT, 44% 3PT, 68% FT), 5.3 APG, 1.7 RPG, 1.3 SPG, 3.6 TOPG |
| Jeff Withey (7'0, 235, Jr.) |
11.1 |
0.48 |
23.0 MPG, 8.5 PPG (54% 2PT, 87% FT), 5.9 RPG, 3.1 BPG, 1.3 TOPG |
|
Travis Releford (6'6, 207, Jr.) |
10.5 |
0.34 |
31.5 MPG, 9.8 PPG (63% 2PT, 36% 3PT, 65% FT), 4.3 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 TOPG |
|
Elijah Johnson (6'4, 195, Jr.) |
8.1 |
0.26 |
31.1 MPG, 9.1 PPG (62% 2PT, 30% 3PT, 70% FT), 3.6 APG, 2.8 RPG, 1.7 SPG, 2.0 TOPG |
|
Conner Teahan (6'6, 212, Sr.) |
5.2 |
0.25 |
20.8 MPG, 6.6 PPG (50% 2PT, 35% 3PT, 81% FT), 2.2 RPG, 1.0 APG, 1.0 TOPG |
|
Kevin Young (6'8, 185, Jr.) |
4.4 |
0.44 |
10.1 MPG, 3.7 PPG (63% 2PT, 66% FT), 2.8 APG |
|
Justin Wesley (6'9, 220, So.) |
1.3 |
0.11 |
11.3 MPG, 1.6 PPG (52% 2PT, 50% FT), 2.0 RPG |
|
Naadir Tharpe (5'11, 170, Fr.) |
0.4 |
0.06 |
6.3 MPG, 1.2 PPG (46% 2PT, 24% 3PT) |
* AdjGS = a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It redistributes a team's points based not only on points scored, but also by giving credit for assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls. It is a stat intended to determine who had the biggest overall impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
- Highest Usage%: Robinson (29%), Taylor (28%), Withey (18%), Johnson (17%)
- Highest Floor%: Releford (45%), Withey (44%), Young (44%), Robinson (43%)
- Highest %Pass: Johnson (65%), Taylor (60%), Releford (52%), Teahan (46%)
- Highest %Shoot: Wesley (49%), Robinson (42%), Teahan (41%), Withey (37%)
- Highest %Fouled: Wesley (25%), Withey (18%), Robinson (17%), Young (17%)
- Highest %T/O: Wesley (16%), Withey (9%), Robinson (8%), Young (8%)
- What a pessimist sees from these figures:
1. Thomas Robinson is incredible.
2. Jeff Withey is making more of a contribution than we may have expected.
3. These two players have combined to take a full third of KU's shots, plus they combine to average five offensive rebounds per game. (That will probably be closer to 8-9 tomorrow night.) - What an optimist sees:
1. Taylor and Johnson combine for 5.6 turnovers per game.
2. The team only has two reliable, consistent scorers.
3. Of the four players who combine to take most of KU's free throws (Robinson, Taylor, Withey, Releford), only one is any good at them: Withey, the only one to shoot better than 68%.
Keys to the Game
- Extreme Matchups. Pretend you are Frank Haith for a moment. What is your chosen strategy? single-cover Thomas Robinson (perhaps with Ricardo Ratliffe) and throw most of your might at harassing the perimeter in the hopes of bringing out Bad Tyshawn and giving Mizzou a significant advantage in the backcourt (while leaving yourself vulnerable to a career day from Jeff Withey and, perhaps, Robinson himself)? Or do you focus most of your energy on negating Kansas' own advantages, double Robinson, and hope that Taylor, Johnson, Releford, etc., don't catch fire? Mizzou has some pretty substantial advantages they could choose to maximize, but it might come at the cost of maximizing Kansas' advantages as well. Strategies, tactics and straight-up coaching will play a major role in this one. (Yes, it always does, but you see my point.)
- The Long Ball. Kansas has only one player who makes more than 36 percent of his 3-pointers (Taylor) and only two more who are above 33 percent (Releford, Teahan). Meanwhile, Mizzou has one over 40 percent (Kim English) and two more over 33 percent (Marcus Denmon, Matt Pressey). As we know, however, that doesn't tell a good portion of the story. In the last six games, Denmon and English have made just 27 percent of their 3's (17-for-62; Denmon himself is just 9-for-40); meanwhile, Taylor is 13-for-27 in his last five games after shooting just 5-for-20 in the five before that. Both teams are incredibly streaky from downtown, and while both have proven themselves capable of winning games without relying on the 3-pointer (a huge step forward for Mizzou in particular), if one team catches fire, they will derive a significant advantage.
- The Supporting Cast. Thomas Robinson is going to have a good evening. He just is. But Mizzou can overcome that if they mostly negate the impact of role players like Withey, Travis Releford, and perhaps Connor Teahan. Mizzou has just been killed by Kansas' role players in years past, whether it is Tyrel Reed making a key 3-pointer at Mizzou Arena last year (after killing them the year before, too), or Releford and Mario Little coming out of nowhere to combine for 27 points on 11-for-14 shooting in Lawrence. Limit the hit-or-miss supporting cast, and you are putting a lot of pressure on Robinson and Taylor to not only score, but score 30 or more.
Prediction
I can never quite explain why I feel good or bad about certain games. I felt pretty bad about the Texas game this week (whoops), just like I felt bad about the Kansas State and Notre Dame games earlier this season. (And I'll admit it: I already don't feel very good about Monday's trip to Norman.) But I'll admit it: I feel pretty defiantly good about this one. It would be just like Kansas to steal this game, the last (for a while) at Mizzou Arena, just like they stole the last game at Hearnes. But I don't think they do it. These matchups spell doom for Mizzou at Allen, but I think they force turnovers like crazy, enough to encounter a couple of offensive slumps. Ken Pomeroy projects it Mizzou 75, Kansas 74, but I'll go with something more like Mizzou 70, Kansas 64. Frank Haith has an opportunity to put another incredibly large feather in his cap, doesn't he?
170 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
FKU-fecta
Denmon (slumpbusting in style!)
English
Dixon
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to see that this is all confusion.
BTW I voted
Single-team Travis Robinson in attempt to maximize your advantages on the perimeter.
He’s going to get his points. I don’t want him to get his points and watch some kU donk get hot from outside because we are double-teaming the paint as well. Let Robinson shoot over our guys from 6-9 feet and hope he doesn’t hit 80%.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
I vote single too.
However, I do deny entry passes like crazy. The key is to not foul on easy put-backs. It’s bad enough to give up an offensive board and put-back but don’t pile on by sending them to the line. Force Taylor to think and force the game because that is not his strength.
Totally agreed. Limit to one shot and rebound.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
mizzou arena is going to explode-fecta
denmon
p pressey
ratliffe
and you’re not feeling good about a trip to norman to play a team mizzou already beat this year by 40?!
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions
It has let down game written all over it with the 48 hr. turnaround
would be my assumption
Pigskin Punditry
Rock M Nation
Follow me on Twitter
"I'm not a believer in predetermined fates, being rewarded for one's efforts. I'm not a believer in karma. The reason why I try to be a good person is because I think it's the right thing to do. If I commit fewer bad acts there will be fewer bad acts, maybe other people will join in committing fewer bad acts, and in time there will be fewer and fewer of them" ~ Daniel Handler (aka Lemony Snicket)
Rememeber the '10 nebraska footabll game?
That.
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
Threes
Flip
Cardo
English
kU’s BCI is much better than I thought it would be, considering the turnovers they get (from the PG position).
Upholding fine Mizzou traditions in Maryland.
MvP, RoC official Nemesis
poll says travis robinson instead of thomas
by rg643 on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
yep, because
F kU
"what is age anyway? what's old? what's young?" - Frank White
by AlexGordonHRmagnet on Feb 3, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
tri-who'sgonnabemarriedcomemonday-fecta
The crowd!
The crowd!!
The crowd!!!
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Double Robinson with whom?
Our list of tall guys isn’t staggering.
Denmon (revived)
English (gets hot)
Flip (orchestrates a masterpiece).
I’m betting on Ratlife to have his hands far too full dealing with tall dudes.
That last line could be the intro to just about any porn
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Andrew could just take out Robinson
Put that football mentality to use
by McZou on Feb 4, 2012 5:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do we think the key to this game...
Is more us playing our game, or adjusting to Kansas’s game? If that makes sense…
First fecta
Kimmeh
M. Pressey
Ratcliffe
by SECspeeeeed on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM CST via Android app reply actions
He's Back
Denmon
Ratliffe
English
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
Tri
Flip
Cardo
English
"what is age anyway? what's old? what's young?" - Frank White
by AlexGordonHRmagnet on Feb 3, 2012 12:31 PM CST reply actions
Fecta!
Flip
Denmon
English
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 12:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
By the way,
posting from in a tent in front of Mizzou Arena. It’s wet.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 15 recs
Oh Good lord.
I was wondering if you got that rain.
Sorry to be obtuse but are you waiting to get in or for tickets?
Way to go for Tiger spirit!
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 3, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not tickets!
Got those. The first 250 ZouCrew members in line get onto Gameday, and also get priority seating for the game.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Any notable signs that we should look for as we watch on TV?
Have a great time at the game.
And of course, “Stay classy, San Diego (Columbia).”
that’s some serious commitment! My sister sent me some pics of the line, its purty crazy
by SECspeeeeed on Feb 3, 2012 2:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
SWAG-fecta
English
Denmon
PPressey
I say that you have to go with the Michael and the Jordanaires strategy. Robinson is going to get his. Don’t let the role players go off.
Not-gonna-picka-fecta
But Denmon has been a popular pick regardless of how he’s shooting, and one of these days he’s going to find his touch again and light it up. I hope to God he’s found it by tip-off.
Pumped.
Denmon-getting out of his funk-fecta
Denmon
Dixon
Flip
Trifect
Dixon
Denmon
Steeeeve!!!
"You better call your crew, you gon’ need help." - Jay Bilas' advice to teams facing Mizzou in b-ball this year
We had the same idea
And you snuck yours in as I was posting. I guess we are not technically the same, but close
Hope one of us is correct!
If Steve is in the trifecta
You are going to be my favorite person.
"what is age anyway? what's old? what's young?" - Frank White
by AlexGordonHRmagnet on Feb 3, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I voted single team Robinson
I think he’s gonna damage us regardless, and Cardo actually matches up with him size-wise. If he just starts to absolutely go nuts and we can’t stop him with one guy, then maybe switch to a double time, just don’t go out and double team him right away and give their other guys a chance to get in a rhythm. I don’t think JUST Robinson can beat us.
My Fecta
English
Dixon (This guy HAAAAAATES kansas)
Phlip
Why is that I feel double teaming Robinson doubles our chances of fouling him.
by MUPete on Feb 3, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, he's going to get to the basket no matter what.
We just need to worry about making sure nobody ELSE goes crazy on us.
bleeding kansas-fecta
w quantrill
b anderson
j wales
m-i-z... z-o-u!
by Wooderson on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
Supreme 3
MIZZOU – RAH Tigers
Black and Gold
Eeeeeees EEEEEEEE Speeeeeeeed
Success Excellence Championships > Bad Idiocy Greed 12-4+.5+.5
dennom cooks hawk fecta
denmon
flip
ratliffe
by kc_okerix on Feb 3, 2012 1:22 PM CST via Android app reply actions
My sunflower fecta.
Sun shine
sun flowers
and
suns of bitches
First time participating…trying to get the hang of it.
by B_W on Feb 3, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Didn't vote in the pole
because i think it will be mostly zone with a small mix of man when Withey is on the bench.
by B_W on Feb 3, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
I would mind seeing a box and one
that’ll allow the d to collapse on the paint and keep m. pressey on taylor the entire time. This way we could negate their two best scoring options and hopefully shut down any dribble drives as well.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
shoot, wouldnt*
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with Box and 1
is it takes a poor rebounding team and puts them in a bad rebounding situation.
We could get more turn overs and hopefully they'd put up more bad shots this way
Which should negate the disadvantage in rebounding. Or I could just be super hungry and losing my mind at this point, so who knows.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
My trifecta
I
Hate
Kansas
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
by MizzouRugby on Feb 3, 2012 1:26 PM CST reply actions 14 recs
You sir a poet and a gentleman!
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
die kansas die fecta
fred phelps
dennis rader
uhhh, don johnson
hey guys, will you call me bulldog?
-bob "bulldog" fescoe
Working fred phelps into a Game Day sign could get real interesting.
by B_W on Feb 3, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I watched a documentary about how deep the crazy actually runs in westboro baptist
and in every interview they did with him, while he spouted off things that go even beyond “hate in the name of religion”, and were well into ’well this dude is legitimately mentally handicapped because he really believes this," territory, the Rev. Phelps was proudly sporting his bright blue and red jayhawks coat. It was too perfect.
I've seen it too. HBO I think.
He states something like "I love ku, there’s more fa**ots on that campus blah blah blah. He’s a typical kansas nut job.
by B_W on Feb 3, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
no kidding.
it’s cute how they think this might curtail it or something.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I give them credit for making the attempt.
I think it’s unfortunate that it probably won’t make any difference.
They have to make an attempt.
Now they can say “we tried” when we all go before the judge Monday morning.
by B_W on Feb 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I wish it would help
I think it’s dumb that we would alter OUR cheer for them. Plus, it is incredibly trashy to have that on national television.
That’s just my humble opinion.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
deep down, in places you don't like to talk about at parties
you love me.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
wait, parties involve other people?
I had just heard the word and wanted to use it in a sentence.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Rigggghhht....
I dont care what they say. If I’m a player and I hear thousands of people screaming “M-I-Z, FU**-K-U”, I’m going to get FIRED up.
Its sad that they even make this video
because I doubt its going to make a difference and its just setting up for a letdown. We are just going to have to embarrass ourselves this one time on national TV and move on.
Tri-
S
E
C
ok, but seriously.
F
K
U
oops….sorry I’m not sorry.
English
’Cardo
Dixon
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 3, 2012 2:07 PM CST reply actions
Bill I really wish I had the confidence that you do in this game.
I see Robinson going for like 30 and 20, with Whitey having like 6 or 7 blocks. If we are not hitting threes at at least a 50% clip, I think we get blown out.
Annoying You Since 1986
that is not a very positive attitude
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
What do your sources say?
Advocating for the "Snarkbone" since 2012
Rock M Nation
by The Beef on Feb 3, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I'm sorry my bad.
I forgot the long standing rule that if you pick Mizzou to lose and Bill didn’t, then your an idiot. In this case, Mizzou by 50+!!!!!
Annoying You Since 1986
This week on Passive-Aggressive Theater...
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
by Gaknar on Feb 3, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Games like this make me realize
how important Steve Moore’s dedication and offseason/midseason improvement have really helped this team. I think Haith’s style of play helps that as well, but Steve went from mop-up time “everyone yell Steeeeeeeeeve” Steve to getting a few baskets, moving better on defense, playing smarter, and blocking a few extra shots “everyone yell Steeeeeve more often” Steve.
Anyhoo…
Trifecta:
Dixon
Kimmeh
Denmon
And a prediction: Mizzou 72, terrorist clown buckle shoe fowls 65
@armyofmike
by kcmike on Feb 3, 2012 2:30 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Trifecta
Marcus Denmon
Ricardo Ratliffe
Kim English
And anyway, this game is huge. We absolutely need to win if we want to have a chance at stopping ku from winning a fourth straight Big 12 title.
Denmon is going to come good tomorrow
Denmon
Kimmeh
Flip
i voted double team for the same reason pitchers walk pujols.
never let the other team’s best player beat you. especially when the supporting cast is weak in comparison to past years for ku.
Lamentations 3:22-23
I chose single team....
but I see what you are saying. although pujols can homer once or twice and win the game, and there is no way that robinson can win the game by himself
by SECspeeeeed on Feb 3, 2012 4:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
j'covan brown gave us a run for our money in como earlier this year.
i’ve seen a single player catch fire and win a game without much help. not to discount your opinion of single teaming. i’m glad i’m not the coach that has to make such decisions.
Lamentations 3:22-23
If I had to pick a coach to make that call
it would be Frank Haith, after that zone call at the end of the texas game, I was confident that we probably aren’t gonna get out coached, for the rest of the year.
/knockonwood
by SECspeeeeed on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
it's my opinion,
but one crafted from years of watching his clemson and longhorns teams play, that outcoaching rick barnes is no significant feat. that said, if nothing else, he is a far better in-game coach than we’ve had since the days of norm.
Lamentations 3:22-23
by threadkiller on Feb 3, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true
Although I wouldn’t call Rick Barnes a push over either, im just saying I felt like it was a smart move, and throughout the course of this year I feel like Frank Haith has really proven himself as a coach. just mu two cents.
by SECspeeeeed on Feb 3, 2012 7:11 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
FYI, statistically speaking
The intentional walk is almost always the wrong move.
I voted single-team because robinson probably is good enough to get his points and draw fouls vs. a double-team anyway. Give him his 30 and 20; if we control the perimeter, we win the game anyway.
Try not to take me too seriously
kU Sucks fecta
Denmon
English
Cardo
Also, if anyone gets the chance, we could all do with a second celebration dog
Bum Bum DALLAS Bum Bum STARS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MIZ! ZOU!
by ZWal93 on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
A coworker...
Showed me a picture of his 1 day old backup rally baby. In full MU gear.
Good Denmon, bad Taylor trifecta
Denmon
English
Dixon
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets
I'm going with the seniors
English
Denmon
Ratliffe
Bring it home fellas
No love for Sutton?
He and Moore and Jones are seniors, in fact that’s my new trifecta
Bum Bum DALLAS Bum Bum STARS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MIZ! ZOU!
by ZWal93 on Feb 3, 2012 5:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
TRI not to let the door hit you on your way back krapsas FECTA
Phlip
Cardo
Dixon
AND…MU wins by 11.
"KU, you're nothing to me now. You're not a rival, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do."
I vote to double Robinson
Mostly, I want to turn him into a decision-maker rather than a scorer.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Yep, force more passes and longer possessions
Increase the odds for turnovers, and keep the ball in the hands of the lesser players. Either double him, or zone.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 3, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
The title of this post should be Know Thy Enemy, not rival
Dixon
English
Ratliffe
by MIZfalconAviator on Feb 3, 2012 7:14 PM CST reply actions
MU fecta
Dixon
P. Pressey
Denmon
We need to throw a bunch of different defensive looks at them. Switch from a compact zone restricting them from working well down low to pressure man-to-man back to normal man. Keep them guessing, keep them off guard, keep forcing Plankn into bad decisions. I don’t want much doubling on TRob because I don’t want our bigs to simultaneously get into foul trouble.
On offense, they’re going to have a HELL of a time containing Dixon and Pressey. The English matchup is a huge one…Kimmie driving is always a scary proposition, but if he has a midrange shot going, he could terrorize TRob.
Gonna be a hell of a game.
by CBonerfied on Feb 3, 2012 7:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Trifecta
Ratliffe
Denmon
English
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
twitter @sirensofsilence
My Trifecta Pick:
Denmoney (this man is going to go Thomas Gardner on their asses!!!)
English
Michael Dixon
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
Oh man
I love everything about my Missouri Tigers except for the gold part. I thought this game was the black out game but it turns out it is the gold game. Well I just don’t look that great in gold (and really who the hell does?)
Big time first world problems but I am still complaining.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 3, 2012 7:58 PM CST reply actions
Supermodels.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
by Kpz1234 on Feb 3, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I keep trying
they keep spinning:
http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2012/2/3/2768301/kansas-basketball-bill-self-talks-border-war#comments
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
by Mac6uffin on Feb 3, 2012 8:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully not the final border war - fecta
Denmoney
Kimmey
Ratliffey
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Watching boxing on ESPN2
and one of the boxers is wearing tall red socks. I HOPE YOU GET DESTROYED YOU REDLEGGING BEAKER! DO YOU NOT REALIZE WHAT STATEMENTS YOU ARE MAKING WITH SUCH A DUMB, BOLD STATEMENT. HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT SUCH BLATANT ACTS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY! YOU DISGUST ME BY CHARACTERIZING YOURSELF IN SUCH A MISERABLE, SELF-DEPRICATING WAY! YOU SUCK!
In other words, I’m rooting for the other guy.
Crap, he has blue on.
Oh look, a rerun of The Office.
Trifecta
Rat
Flip
Marcus
"Gentlemen, this is a football."-Vince Lombardi
"Slow down coach, you're going too fast."-Max McGee
haha
Eric Hollenbach, the president of the Antlers, didn’t want to lessen the impact but hinted that one sign — of which he is particularly proud — features a Photoshopped picture of KU point guard Tyshawn Taylor wearing a dress, while another mocks Jayhawk traditions.
"I just found out that their Rock Chalk chant was based off limestone, and the closest limestone to Lawrence is 150 miles away," said Hollenbach, a senior communications and Spanish major from O’Fallon, Ill. "So basically they have a mythical bird bringing them limestone from a place that’s not even close to Lawrence."
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
by Gaknar on Feb 4, 2012 1:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rock Chalk is based off of limestone. (it was a geology club chant originally that went "chalk rock Jayhawk")
But anybody who’s driven on I-70 or K-10 to Lawrnce knows the entire area is limestone. Everywhere the highway cuts through a hill, there’s limestone on either side. Hell, they used to use limestone for fenceposts in Kansas because it was easier to find than wood.
I guess here is where I make a joke about MU not having access to the Internet, or just repeat some wildly incorrect thing somebody told me about MU. Maybe next time.
phones...
P. Pressey
Dixon
English
by TigerStyle on Feb 4, 2012 8:43 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Real fecta
English
Denmon
Dixon
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
Tri to crush those beaker turds!
English
Flip
Dixon

by 







































