Study Hall: Mizzou 74, Kansas 71
Your Trifecta: Denmon-Dixon-English. Your winner: somehow, nobody. Had some Denmon-English-Dixon picks, and lots of Denmon-English and Denmon-Dixon combinations, but ... no winner!
Alright, so first things first: was that a legitimate charge on Tyshawn Taylor with 10 seconds left?
From our seats, I didn't actually see the play well enough to know, one way or the other, whether that was a good call. I had to wait until I got home to check it out; having seen the Internet reaction, I expected a much dicier call than I actually saw. Dixon's feet were set, and Taylor leaned in. If Taylor goes straight up, he gets an easy jumper. He did not. If you want to complain about the charge on Thomas Robinson with 1:45 left, I'll listen. (There was certainly contact, but that was still a hell of a lot shakier than the foul on Taylor.) But in the refs' meager defense ... they called that charge almost all night long. I'm a consistency guy -- call it one way all night (even if I disagree somewhat with your definition), and by the end of the game, the players should know what they can and cannot do; and these refs were charge-happy. Mizzou took infinitely better advantage of that than Kansas did.
In the end, yes, I think it was a charge. And while I was a little surprised to see it called with 10 seconds left ... I'm also a big "if you're going to call it 10 minutes into the game, call it exactly the same way at the end" guy. Ten minutes into the first half, nobody's even thinking about complaining about that call. (And besides, you think I'm going to worry about a call like that after what constituted Ricardo Ratliffe's fourth foul? Really?) There were bad calls all around (Taylor's charge probably wasn't one of them), and when the game ended, Mizzou had scored three more points than Kansas.
Mizzou 74, Kansas 71
Round By Round
One fascinating aspect of this game was the sheer number of momentum swings. There were double-digit lead changes in the first half alone, and both teams looked like they might pull away multiple times. Mizzou led by as many as seven, Kansas as many as eight, but the other team always had a response.
To elaborate on this point, let's look at the "round-by-round" action. (One again, one "round" is one TV timeout segment. So Round 1 takes place from the opening tip to the first TV timeout, and so on, and so forth.)
| Mizzou | Kansas | ||||
| Round | Pts Per Poss |
(Details) | Pts Per Poss |
(Details) | Boxing Score |
| 1 | 1.00 | 7 poss, 7 pts | 1.86 | 7 poss, 13 pts | 10-9 KU |
| 2 | 1.17 | 6 poss, 7 pts | 0.33 | 6 poss, 2 pts | 10-9 MU |
| 3 | 1.00 | 8 poss, 8 pts | 0.86 | 7 poss, 6 pts | 10-10 |
| 4 | 1.14 | 7 poss, 8 pts | 1.38 | 8 poss, 11 pts | 10-9 KU |
| 5 | 1.50 | 6 poss, 9 pts | 0.40 | 5 poss, 2 pts | 10-8 MU |
| 6 | 0.56 | 9 poss, 5 pts | 1.30 | 10 poss, 13 pts | 10-8 KU |
| 7 | 1.60 | 5 poss, 8 pts | 1.80 | 5 poss, 9 pts | 10-10 |
| 8 | 1.13 | 8 poss, 9 pts | 0.86 | 7 poss, 6 pts | 10-9 MU |
| 9 | 0.50 | 4 poss, 2 pts | 1.75 | 4 poss, 7 pts | 10-9 KU |
| 10 | 1.83 | 6 poss, 11 pts | 0.29 | 7 poss, 2 pts | 10-8 MU |
Some thoughts:
- It felt like Kansas was a lot hotter early on than they actually were. They made three of their first four 3-pointers but missed seven of their final eight in the half. They were smoking hot in the first round, but it fizzled pretty quickly, and the fact that they scored just eight points in 13 possessions in rounds two and three bought Missouri some time.
- Kansas' final six possessions: Robinson travel, Robinson charge, Taylor turnover, Taylor missed free throws, Taylor charge, terrible Johnson 3-pointer. That's one official field goal attempt in six possessions. Meanwhile, Mizzou scored 11 points on just five possessions. I might be inclined to feel a lot worse about the officiating if Kansas had not done so incredibly much to fall apart on their own.
- The "fight" took on an oddly symmetrical flow: Kansas comes out of the gates firing, fizzles a little and lets Mizzou off the ropes, rallies with some more flurries, then completely falls apart at the end.
Rounds 1 and 6
Mizzou: 16 possessions, 12 points
Kansas: 17 possessions, 26 points (KU +14)
Rounds 2 and 7
Mizzou: 11 possessions, 15 points
Kansas: 11 possessions, 11 points (MU +4)
Rounds 3 and 8
Mizzou: 16 possessions, 17 points
Kansas: 14 possessions, 12 points (MU +5)
Rounds 4 and 9
Mizzou: 11 possessions, 10 points
Kansas: 12 possessions, 18 points (KU +8)
Rounds 5 and 10
Mizzou: 12 possessions, 20 points
Kansas: 12 possessions, four points (MU +16)
Always be closing, huh?
| Mizzou |
KU | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) | 67.0 | |
| Points Per Minute | 1.85 | 1.78 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) | 1.10 | 1.06 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) | 1.54 | 1.27 |
| 2-PT FG% | 57.7% | 60.0% |
| 3-PT FG% | 45.5% | 37.5% |
| FT% | 70.0% | 55.6% |
| True Shooting % | 65.1% | 59.2% |
| Mizzou | KU | |
| Assists | 13 | 12 |
| Steals | 4 | 7 |
| Turnovers | 14 | 15 |
|
Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.21 | 1.27 |
| Mizzou | KU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 9 | 10 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 4 | 7 |
| Difference | -5 | -3 |
Skin Of The Teeth
Mizzou allowed a True Shooting Percentage of 59.2%, got beaten in the ball control department, and was almost entirely nonexistent on the offensive glass. But a) thanks mostly to Marcus Denmon and Michael Dixon (combined: 14-for-21 from the field, 8-for-12 on 3-pointers), they shot really, really well for the first time in a while, and b) they did an absolutely wonderful job (all things considered) on the defensive glass. Denmon had more defensive rebounds (eight) than Jeff Withey, Justin Wesley and Kevin Young combined (five); yeah, when you see his obscene AdjGS score below, you know why. He scored 29 points on 16 shots and almost recorded a double-double. He must have just been saving all of this in recent games; I'll take it.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Marcus Denmon | 34.2 | 0.88 | 39 Min, 29 Pts (10-16 FG, 6-9 3PT, 3-4 FT), 9 Reb, 2 Ast |
| Mike Dixon | 20.0 | 0.63 | 32 Min, 15 Pts (4-5 FG, 2-3 3PT, 5-7 FT), 5 Ast, 2 Reb, 2 TO |
| Kim English | 14.4 | 0.38 | 38 Min, 18 Pts (5-11 FG, 2-7 3PT, 6-6 FT), 3 Reb, 3 TO |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 3.6 | 0.18 | 20 Min, 6 Pts (3-5 FG, 0-2 FT), 4 Reb, 4 PF |
| Steve Moore | 0.8 | 0.04 | 22 Min, 2 Pts (1-1 FG), 2 Reb, 2 TO |
| Matt Pressey | 0.3 | 0.01 | 22 Min, 2 Pts (1-5 FG, 0-2 3PT) |
| Phil Pressey | -1.1 | -0.04 | 27 Min, 2 Pts (1-5 FG, 0-1 3PT, 0-1 FT), 3 Ast, 2 Reb, 3 TO |
- It is just impossible to quantify how good Marcus Denmon was yesterday. In his previous five games, Denmon had made five of 31 3-pointers. Last night, he made six of nine. In his previous four games, he had averaged 4.5 rebounds per game. Last night, he doubled that. He lost his jumper at the beginning of the second half, but to say the least, he found it again at the end. He was magnificent.
- With both Presseys struggling, it was an absolute imperative that Mike Dixon produce. He didn't make his first basket until "round five," but for most of the game's final 23 minutes (barring one incredible, 60-second surge from Denmon), he basically was the Missouri offense.
- It is just amazing how well Kim English lets the game come to him now. He had a "quiet" 18 points yesterday and, in perhaps the most telling possession of the game, he passed on a decent 3-pointer with under two minutes left, choosing instead to find the hot hand. The ball was rotated to the other end of the court, where Denmon hit the go-ahead 3-pointer.
- STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE.
- I felt so bad for Ricardo Ratliffe. Mizzou committed ten fewer fouls than Kansas, but Ratliffe couldn't buy a call. At least two of his four fouls, maybe three, fell into the "I don't know how he could have done anything different without letting Robinson walk to the basket unimpeded" category. But in a way, it was a blessing in disguise; while Mizzou absolutely missed Ratliffe's offense, Steve Moore did a much better job of bodying Robinson up and defending him. Bill Carter and I were comparing it to the job Monte Hardge did against Marcus Fizer a decade or so ago. Robinson was much quicker than Moore, and he still scored some points on STEEEVE, too, but a) he had to work much harder for his points, and b) on many occasions, he failed to establish good position and had to either settle for a jumper or pass the ball back out.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Denmon | 29% | 52% | 2.6 | 35% | 47% | 12% | 6% |
| Dixon | 18% | 57% | 4.1 | 68% | 12% | 16% | 5% |
| English | 25% | 40% | 2.1 | 23% | 43% | 23% | 12% |
| Ratliffe | 19% | 43% | 2.1 | 42% | 36% | 14% | 7% |
| Moore | 8% | 29% | 0.4 | 0% | 33% | 0% | 67% |
| M. Pressey | 15% | 19% | 1.6 | 50% | 42% | 0% | 8% |
| P. Pressey | 18% | 21% | 3.0 | 66% | 19% | 4% | 11% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (To say the least.)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (No.)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (Yes!)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (No.)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes!)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (No.)
That's 4-for-7. Kimmie was a bit careless in terms of ball control (as was most of the team), and Flip Pressey really couldn't get his drive-and-dish game going (Kansas' on-the-ball defending was as good as ever), but Denmon took over, English was plenty efficient, and Mike Dixon perfectly toed the point guard/shooting guard line.
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Extreme Matchups
Pretend you are Frank Haith for a moment. What is your chosen strategy? single-cover Thomas Robinson (perhaps with Ricardo Ratliffe) and throw most of your might at harassing the perimeter in the hopes of bringing out Bad Tyshawn and giving Mizzou a significant advantage in the backcourt (while leaving yourself vulnerable to a career day from Jeff Withey and, perhaps, Robinson himself)? Or do you focus most of your energy on negating Kansas' own advantages, double Robinson, and hope that Taylor, Johnson, Releford, etc., don't catch fire? Mizzou has some pretty substantial advantages they could choose to maximize, but it might come at the cost of maximizing Kansas' advantages as well. Strategies, tactics and straight-up coaching will play a major role in this one. (Yes, it always does, but you see my point.)
In the first half, it almost seemed as if Robinson was a decoy for a while. Any time Mizzou leaned toward doubling Robinson, somebody got an open 3-pointer. It worked for Kansas early enough that they kept settling for perimeter jumpers even as Mizzou moved more toward single-coverage on Robinson. Everybody in the building knew Kansas was going to adjust in the second half, and they did -- he took shots on six of Kansas' first seven second-half possessions and scored seven points -- but in the end, Mizzou did enough defensively to hold a good offense to 1.05 points per possession (season average: 1.12), and when it came time to make stops at the end of the half, they very much did it.
The Long Ball
Kansas has only one player who makes more than 36 percent of his 3-pointers (Taylor) and only two more who are above 33 percent (Releford, Teahan). Meanwhile, Mizzou has one over 40 percent (Kim English) and two more over 33 percent (Marcus Denmon, Matt Pressey). As we know, however, that doesn't tell a good portion of the story. In the last six games, Denmon and English have made just 27 percent of their 3's (17-for-62; Denmon himself is just 9-for-40); meanwhile, Taylor is 13-for-27 in his last five games after shooting just 5-for-20 in the five before that. Both teams are incredibly streaky from downtown, and while both have proven themselves capable of winning games without relying on the 3-pointer (a huge step forward for Mizzou in particular), if one team catches fire, they will derive a significant advantage.
Mizzou: 10-for-22 (Denmon 6-for-9, Dixon 2-for-3)
Kansas: 6-for-16 (Elijah Johnson 1-for-7, Tyshawn Taylor 2-for-5, Connor Teahan 2-for-2)
Both teams were hot from long range early on, but thanks to Denmon and Dixon, Mizzou won this battle over the course of the entire game.
The Supporting Cast
Thomas Robinson is going to have a good evening. He just is. But Mizzou can overcome that if they mostly negate the impact of role players like Withey, Travis Releford, and perhaps Connor Teahan. Mizzou has just been killed by Kansas' role players in years past, whether it is Tyrel Reed making a key 3-pointer at Mizzou Arena last year (after killing them the year before, too), or Releford and Mario Little coming out of nowhere to combine for 27 points on 11-for-14 shooting in Lawrence. Limit the hit-or-miss supporting cast, and you are putting a lot of pressure on Robinson and Taylor to not only score, but score 30 or more.
Johnson's mid-range game was a nice weapon (4-for-5 on 2-pointers), and Teahan knocked down both open looks he got, but in the end, players not named Robinson and Taylor scored just 25 points on 10-for-24 shooting, Jeff Withey was nearly non-existent, and it indeed put too much pressure on Taylor and Robinson; those two combined for 46 points, but they needed 50 to win.
Summary
No more analysis, just a table.

And guys? If you want to stay at the top of this table, you need to have a pretty good recovery day today. Oklahoma will have their A-game ready tomorrow night.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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I believe my trifecta was the winner
the crowd x 3
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 5, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions
Where can we leave you our addresses for the Edible Arrangements?
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by RPT on Feb 5, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
leave em here
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 5, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Very good point.
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I don't go to many games..
But was that the loudest the arena has ever been?
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That seems to be the consensus of the media today.
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2006 is up there too
I wasn’t at the game last night, but I was at the 2006 kU game. It was absolutely rocking when Moody attempted and missed his two free throws. I don’t know how it could possibly be much louder than that, but apparently it was.
The loud was angrier, and maybe a little more drunk.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
The word "literally" gets thrown around a lot,
but you could LITERALLY not hear a single thing other than the crowd for the last two minutes. It was like a jet engine was behind your head.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 5, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Were the charges actually charges? Kinda.
Are they always called? No.
Do kansas fans have any right to complain about officiating? Laughable.
There are many worse calls that those two.
There was one no call where I believe English (or maybe Denmon) drove and got body checked in the lane. No whistle, but the ball came free and Steve Moore was in perfect position to grab it and dunk it.
Ratliffe’s fourth foul was a phantom foul.
TRob deserved a T for flexing and woofing at Ratliffe after scoring on an and-one foul.
Ratliffe could’ve gotten a T himself for the bump ‘n’ stare after his dunk on the previous play to the TRob flex.
Basketball is a difficult sport to officiate. They will miss calls at times. However, those two charge calls were perfectly acceptable foul calls. They weren’t obviously blown calls at all.
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I was really pissed at Ratliffe after and the bump he gave. After the game at Oklahoma State he should know that crap like that can get you T’d up. You just can’t risk that in such a close game.
Yeah, very dumb
He can’t pretend it says “Kansas” on the front of his jersey like TRob can.
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I kinda agree
On the other hand, I thought those OSU calls were weak, and it was no better/worse than Robinson’s flexing. I would prefer the refs handle that stuff with a warning and save the Ts for egregious grandstanding or repeat offenders.
The OSU calls
were some of the weakest technical fouls I’ve ever seen called.
A warning would be far better.
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Certainly no worse that Robinson's flexing
And I agree that it probably isn’t worth a technical, but that that doesn’t save the fact that it has been called a technical in the past and there is absolutely no need for it. I get that they are hyped up in the middle of a close game, but there is absolutely no need for the bump. You are just giving the officials a reason to call a technical on you if they so desire.
Johnson flexed after a score at Duke today
And they didn’t call it a foul. I think it depends on the refs’ pickiness
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by lost..in the woods on Feb 5, 2012 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did Ratliffe initiate that?
In the one replay I saw, I couldn’t tell if it was him chipping Robinson, or Robinson making sure to catch his shoulder as he went to inbound the ball.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Good Point
I suppose it could be seen either way. It almost looked like they both leaned in towards each other and ended up bumping.
Taylor and Robinson fouls were closer than they first appeared. On the real-time viewing
I thought for sure Taylor leaned straight into Dixon (and it was centered on the chest), so I thought it was a clear foul. On Robinson’s, I thought the Beakers got cheated on that one as Robinson spin’d away and contacted Moore’s shoulder on the side. But on later viewings at different angles, I almost had the opposite reaction. Dixon was still moving and was in the air. Robinson move was more of a swing than spin, i.e. used the shoulder to move the defender. Both plays resulted in the defensive player falling down which made it difficult for a non-call.
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Was Dixon in the air?
I might need to watch it again then. It was my impression that Dixon’s feet were on the ground, but I was pretty groggy last night.
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From an outside perspective (couldn't decide if I wanted KU or MU to win...)
I couldn’t believe TRob didn’t get T’d up for that blatant taunting.
I thought the charge called on TRob was fair. (can’t remember if it was Moore or Ratliffe) slid over straight and kept his hands up. Robinson clearly dropped his shoulder to gain space. Moore/Ratliffe played the spin move great.
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That one was Steve
I’m biased, but I don’t think they were bad calls for 2 reasons. Number one, like Bill said, they were pretty consistent the whole game. If you tried to hold your ground and get knocked down, they were willing to call charges. Mizzou has been willing to do that all year to compensate for their lack of size, and I guess Kansas feels silly doing it with huge guys like Robinson and Withey.
Secondly, I think the nature of both those drives is important. In both cases the guy drove the lane, then changed direction that took them right into the chest of the defender. Taylor didn’t beat Dixon to a spot, he just jumped into him after the drive was denied. That’s a charge. Robinson made up his mind to spin drop step the moment he started the drive. Steve wasn’t over committed to Robinson’s right hand, and when Robinson wheeled around it meant his shoulder/elbow went right through Steve. That’s a charge.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 5, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think what made it questionable for me was that the contact was not at the
center of Steeeeeve’s chest, but more on this shoulder. But I could see how ti could be seen as Robinson lowering his shoulder into the defender instead of trying to spin away from the defender.
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That's exactly what it looked like from the view from my seat.
Robinson lowered his shoulder into him. They pretty much call that every time.
major kudos to STEEEEEEEVE on the last play
a lot of kU fans are bemoaning Johnson not taking the open three, then forcing up an off-balance shot as time expired. kU did a good job setting up screens to get him a look and Johnson was able to get away from his defender, but Moore closed quickly enough on the perimeter as Johnson came off the screen to force a moment’s hesitation by Johnson. That moment gave Mizzou a split-second more to recover and threw off Johnson’s momentum coming off the screen, leading to the awkward heave at the buzzer.
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My thoughts on the beakers'/Gottlieb ref crying
1. The Dixon call was correct, and Taylor missed the shot anyway.
2. The Robinson call was iffy, but not laughable. Moore had position and was straight up, and the replay showed contact. You could also argue that traveling cold have been called, as Robinson seemed to stutter step on his pivot (indeed, Denmon was calling for a travel before the whistle blew).
3. After that call, KU was still up 5 with a a minute to play. Plenty of time to win the game. Try making a free throw, getting the ball to the best player in college basketball on one of your three final possessions, or saving your last TO to set up the final shot.
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Robinson did travel
My first reaction to the Moore charge was that they were going to call a travel. While it wasn’t the most vicious charge, I don’t think you could argue that it didn’t meet the definition of a charge. Moore was set and there was contact. You might argue that it was a weak call at that time of the game, but they were consistent in calling charges like that all night long.
In addition to questionable calls on Ratliffe, I though Steeeeeve got cheated
on afoul when he was ping pong’d by two Beakers. B-ball is just so difficult to officiate. I don’t think instant replay would make much difference as the camera angle could skew calls.
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in my mind
it doesn’t matter. M U went on am 11-0 run. if ku scores one basket during that time it’s a different game
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by drewder on Feb 5, 2012 11:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Waiting for some video's of the crowd to go up from last nights game
I really want one of the student section during Tyshawn Moody’s FT’s
Fixed it.
And yes, exactly like that, but the 2012 variety.
by #74forthewin on Feb 5, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I guess the crowd noise was aamazeballs
But the movement to distract TT didn’t seem over the top
by TommyV on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think the noise got into his head more than movements would have though.
ZouCrew brought It’s A game and then some.
by #74forthewin on Feb 5, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the noise was amazing.
As I mentioned last night, it was difficult to even stand up straight with the vibrations in that building at that time. I have no idea how anyone could make free throws in that environment.
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that was the first time I ever
Heard the upper deck trying to rattle the shooter. It is amazing how much volume is generated by using the seat in front of you as a drum.
by Tigerlady1 on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was actually concerned that the ZouCrew stands were going to collapse.
They were shaking that much.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 5, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
You know, even if either of those charge calls were iffy
I realize they may have happened at worse times, but there were more than a couple missed calls that didn’t go our way. There’s 40 minutes in a game, not 4, and in the end it all evened itself out.
by TommySaundersHair on Feb 5, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions
My thoughts on the Robinson charge.
Look back at Monte Hardge. He got called for that every time.
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Ha, I almost made the same comment.
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But........but
Isn’t that where the term Blarge originated?
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I just want to mention I watched the game with a bunch of friends.
One guy mentioned he read a lot of stuff on Tigerboard. I told him I try to avoid there because it’s a bit too reactionary. I told him about RockMNation and he said he’d heard of it but “it hasn’t been updated in forever.”
He then went on to say: “Yeah, but that guy does a lot of fake stats. Like predictive stuff I don’t believe in.”
I just had to nod and enjoy the rest of the game.
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by Gaknar on Feb 5, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha, seriously...
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by Bill C. on Feb 5, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And what's with the lack of comments?
A ghost town this site is.
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by Mac6uffin on Feb 5, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gee Whiz
I don’t think Bill does as much predictive stats as descriptive stats. There is no sense arguing against descriptive stats because that’s actual data. Presenting data is more art than science, but you can’t say you don’t believe in actual data. I wish people were willing to be more open minded to looking at different types of quantitative data. I can how data could be misinterpreted, but I think we are pretty careful here at RMN with data interpretation.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
by totalloser on Feb 5, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you want a predictive heavy site visit vivaelbirdos (VEB), they tend to rely too much on
statistical inference for my taste (e.g. regression, valuation of performance), which should not be taken as fact. RMN is far different from VEB. That’s not a knock on VEB. College sports do not involve player salaries (technically – cough cough) so valuations is not an issue, and player eligibility/life is much different.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Predictive stats are one thing.
Ungodly amounts of snark and hated for “overpaid” role players is quite another. I stopped going to VEB this offseason.
by The Detroiter on Feb 5, 2012 11:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, some posters do seem to dominate at VEB.
I liked it better when Borrowsky was in charge.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Me too.
I really miss Larry. I don’t like the general sense of superiority over there now. As if you’re stupid if you’re not one of the dominating posters or if (god forbid) you also enjoy a sport other than baseball.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 5, 2012 1:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i don't think it's far to pin the evolution of the community on the change in writer.
i still think VEB is what you make of it. i take more shit over there than anyone else but still manage to have an enjoyable time with it. it’s just as easy to ignore the jerks.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the change is due to writer necessarily
just saying that I enjoyed the site far more when Larry was in charge.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I joined it for the stretch run last season
I don’t think I’ll be going back. I agree with your guys’ assessment…seems like a bunch of smug, know-it-all early 20-somethings to me.
But everything sucks compared to RMN, amirite?
RoyalsReview has some decent content
But the community is god awful for he most part, as a Royals fan my favorite blogs are Royals Authority and Pine Tar Press
Bum Bum DALLAS Bum Bum STARS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MIZ! ZOU!
by ZWal93 on Feb 5, 2012 1:39 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Each to their own
Pine Tar Press is the worst kind of prospect obsessed, rose tinted, idealistic pandering imaginable.
I find the gallows humor on RR brilliant.
Eh
PTP is one of the few sites that tries to be positive going in to this year, most other sites have embraced the “yeah, things look good, but we’re the Royals so somehow it’ll be screwed up” attitude
Bum Bum DALLAS Bum Bum STARS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MIZ! ZOU!
by ZWal93 on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If that's his reaction,
you should agree wholeheartedly with him about the deficiencies of RMN. Hopefully he will stay away.
by The Detroiter on Feb 5, 2012 11:37 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Looking at the conference standings,
the thing that strikes me the most is that we still have 8 conference games to play. Baylor, ISU, KState, at aTm. Just brutal.
by The Detroiter on Feb 5, 2012 11:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
However
we’ve beaten Baylor @Baylor, ISU @ISU, and we get K-State at home as well.
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Oh, I know we've held serve so far.
There are just so many games on there that can go either way, and we still have no room for error if we want to bring this thing home. Fhaith.
by The Detroiter on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah it's pretty remarkable
Our road games have been against the #3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 teams in the conference.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 5, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
he doesn't believe in them???
this isn’t the tooth fairy we’re talking about. there’s nothing to not believe in.
good god people are stupid sometimes.
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by The Detroiter on Feb 5, 2012 11:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Still waiting to talk to a ku person who does not
1) whine about the officiating; or
2 bring up the all-time rivalry record
My god….is it that hard to say, “Great game, we’ll get you guys in Lawrence.”
(apparently so when an unbearable false sense of entitlement has been drilled into you throughout your entire collegiate career)
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by mattyp on Feb 5, 2012 11:59 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I believe the main problem is talking to a "ku person"
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
Eh
I am sure they say they have yet to meet an Mizzou person who does not
1) whine about the Orange Bowl; or
2) bring up the all-time football record.
Bitter rivalry is bitter.
I don't whine about the Orange Bowl
We beat them when it mattered. Plus, their Orange Bowl win was the peak of their program. Our Cotton Bowl win was the start of a run that took us to the SEC and got us the #1 recruit in the nation. No need to whine about that.
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So much truth.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
6 bowl games in a row
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
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by lost..in the woods on Feb 5, 2012 4:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yada yada officiating
yada yada ku fans yada yada gootlieb. life is good today, rmn. life is good. soak it in.
Lamentations 3:22-23
by threadkiller on Feb 5, 2012 12:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Overlooked stat of the night
ku did not reach the bonus in either half. Has that EVER happened?
Of course that’s just clear proof that the refs were in Alden’s pocket. DIDN’T YOU SEE ALDEN SHAKING HANDS WITH THEM AFTER THE GAME???!
I need to thank my g/f which happens to be a kU fan...
My bday was Feb 1 and she was telling me she had a surprise gift for me Saturday. I honestly had no clue what it was because she kept leading me to different ideas. Come Saturday afternoon we are driving on I70 (we live in KC) and I’m still clueless until we pass Oak Grove and she tells me we are going to Columbia for the game, that she has tickets and a hotel for the night. I was blown away and I don’t think any words could explain my excitement. I’ve been to many football games but this would be my first time seeing our bball team play in Columbia.
What a first game to see live in that arena. This will easily be a memory I hold onto for the rest of my life. So not all beakers are bad, just most of them!
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 5, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
Major credit to you...
… for posting this comment in between what I can only assume is a full day of shopping for rings.
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by RPT on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
shh don't give her any ideas
You can't be fat and fast, too; so lift, run, diet and work.
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--Paul "Bear" Bryant
by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome!
My husband is also a beaker, and he is pouting a lot today…
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
why is every other person here
either married to or dating a beaker??? am i missing out on something?
Lamentations 3:22-23
I broke up with mine
She goes to KU now. Coincidence?
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
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by lost..in the woods on Feb 5, 2012 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because KU grads can't support a family on a fry cook's salary
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by Gaknar on Feb 5, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
They put out?
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Feb 5, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh and another cool story.
My g/f’s sister and her boyfriend live in Florida and they too are big jayhawk fans. They went to the Florida/Vandy game wearing kU shirts. I guess Florida fans were walking by them saying things like “MIZ” or “Go MIZZOU”. Makes me happy to know we will be joining the SEC
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Which NFL players were in attendance?
I saw Gabbs, DX, Maclin and Coffman, but then the talking heads got in the way.
"KU, you're nothing to me now. You're not a rival, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do."
Gachkar, Spoon were also there
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 5, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Barnes as well, and could have sworn I saw Rucker
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by RPT on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
And Rutland, I think
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rucker was there as well
You can't be fat and fast, too; so lift, run, diet and work.
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Camping out in that shit storm was the best decision of my life
I don’t think any live sporting event could top last night for me. I thought I was going to pass out multiple times from screaming so much on one meal and 3 hours of sleep. I hugged way too many strangers. I cursed way too much. And I may never be able to that again in Columbia. So yeah, it was worth it.

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by ratherfantastic on Feb 5, 2012 1:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think I got trench foot from sleeping in that tsunami.
I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Abso-freaking-lutely
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
That describes my day perfectly.
Was wondering if it was worth it while waiting 7 hours after gameday, but turned out to be one of the best decisions ever. Probably won’t ever have a better experience in sports.
I am so glad English and Denmon stopped the fans from storming the court.
Cheer loudly and act like you been there before! go Tigers.
That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
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by drewder on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
That was very wrong of the officials to announce a pending technical should a fan throw another object on the court
There were plenty of Kansas fans in that arena any of which were then welcomed to take the officials up on their generous offer. Penalizing the home team for something like that, especially when opposing fans can do it as well, is not the correct way to handle that kind of situation.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
The warning is a common courtesy since Rule 10-2.8c contains the following note:
Art. 8. Team followers, as in Rule 4-27, shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following:
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c. Throwing debris on the court after officialsā jurisdiction has begun.
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Note 1: Before penalizing a follower(s) of a team for violating Rule 10-2.8, the officials shall have knowledge as to which teamās follower(s) committed the act.
They’re not going to call it if they don’t know where it’s coming from. It’s FAR less of a d*** move for them to issue the warning than it is to say nothing and go ahead and call the technical.
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by RPT on Feb 5, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Was ashamed to see someone throw an object on the floor...
but was thrilled to see the reaction from the rest of the fans pointing out where it came from.
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the info and clearing that up.
"Myself and my teammates are a bunch of winners," ~ Marcus Denmon
And we should all heartily boo D-Sing for picking Kansas to win
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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This is awesome:
the floor was literally shaking during the last few minutes of the game.
Iām known as a bit of a dreamer!
It definitely was
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by ratherfantastic on Feb 5, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
maybe I'm just not remembering
But i can not recall XHCma ever issuing a statement like that. Very classy.
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Re-watching the game
1) Teahan really is a b***h. Talking crap on Denmon in the last five minutes? Brilliant move, dude.
2) It’s insane how Marcus, Kimmie, and Mike D made every big shot they took. Awesome stuff.
I couldn't believe he was dumb enough to do that when I saw it.
I sat in row six, center court and was like “Is he talkin trash to Denmon?”
What a move.
by B_W on Feb 5, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
tom osborne
forewarned about Mizzou being a sleeping giant. After yesterday and last year’s Game Day, win over KU in a shaking Mizzou Arena last night, move to the SEC and the cherry on top(DGB)…I think it’s safe to say the giant is awake and starving. Congrats to the players, coaches, administation and especially to those who camp out in the rain to support their team…MIZ!
by Earl Billings on Feb 5, 2012 3:51 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I hate the way people cheapen this win
by bringing in the calls at the end of the game. We beat them and not because the officials helped but becuase we played better than they did. Denmon made a real tough three to begin his assault, English outplayed by far the man he guarded all while giving up what 5 inches or more. Moore played damn good D on a potential NBAer. We played like a number 4 ranked team. Awesome win, as good as I’ve seen, and I hate to admit I’ ve seen alot of Mizzou games.
just rewatched the intros from last night
I thought at the time it was the overwhelming excitement, being surrounded by 100 DC Mizzou fans, or the many pitchers of beer that made the intros so epic.
But really, has anyone seen intros to a college game like this before? My roommates were just amazed when we watched it a few minutes ago.
by DC_Tiger on Feb 5, 2012 4:37 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Can't believe how juvenile RCT is being about all this.
To block anyone who maybe Mizzou fan or any other team, without merit, is just silly. If one were to go trolling with intent of being rude and childish, then react to that person. To block others in a community such as SB Nation, kind of ruins one of the reasons that makes SB Nation cool. But then again, we are talking about beakers
by McZou on Feb 5, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think some of us overstepped our bounds after a bit
and wish people would just stay away.
They are childish and not interested in any kind of discourse other than “you suck.” Why waste time there when we should be enjoying a banner week for Mizzou sports.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 5, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
It's nice to see them in action because it makes you appreciate RMN that much more
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
True.
I did cry for over two weeks…straight, after finding out that I got kicked out last night along with the others. Kicked out of a clubhouse that I didn’t belong and never had said a word in. I was disheartened at these current events. The only way to come out of this stuper is to….look at the score from last nights game and watch the videos, over and over.
by McZou on Feb 5, 2012 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
will tomorrow's game be on ESPN3
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 5, 2012 4:44 PM CST reply actions
I think they're reairing it tonight on ESPNU
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
i figured.
but since it’s the U i didn’t know. i don’t get the U on my cable package.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 5, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
...and I was answering giving the schedule from ESPN3
It lists what network the games are “really” on in its schedule.
last night was a friend of mines
first tigers basketball game (hes a freshman at Mizzou). He’s not a tigers fan but last night changed him mindset. He posted this after the game.
Family, friends, and college basketball fans, After tonight’s events, I have done some soul searching. It is time that I TRY to stop being so negative about the Missouri Tigers for the rest of the season. Probably won’t be painting my face black and gold anytime soon, but I can enjoy their work. That being said, if the Tigers play the Duke Blue Devils in the tournament, or anyone feels the need to compare the two, I can and surely will go back to my old ways
Please tell me
He is from NC, and not just a bandwaggon Duke fan…
I've gotten the impression that most people who live in
North Carolina, and haven’t attended Duke, hate Duke and everything they represent. Seems like Duke fans are either bandwagon fans, or were born into a family of Dookies. The third possibility is that they are a fan of watching awkward white people shoot 3s the entire game. JJ Redick, and Christian Laettner, where have you goneā¦
by TheHamburglar on Feb 5, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
i hate dook,
but to characterize laettner (whom i despise even more than the team he played for) as a guy who shhots threes the entire time is missing the point. easily one of the top 10 college players i’ve ever seen.
Lamentations 3:22-23
I'll concede that regarding Laettner.
I really did enjoy watching Redick in college. He could really shoot the ball, damn near automatic from the charity stripe too.
by TheHamburglar on Feb 5, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
I sort of like Duke because of coach K.
I have a lot of respect for him. I can’t quite figure out how one could have 3 consonants in a row in their name and pronounce it the way it’s pronounced (Krzyzewski). Anyone speak Polish?
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
If you go to a University like Mizzou, I don't understand
why you would hate their sports teams. At least for undergrad, I guess you could make the argument that it’s OK to root against a school you’re attending a rival school for some post-grad or whatever
by TheHamburglar on Feb 5, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'll answer both
Ive known him for 12 years and hes been a duke fan the entire time ive known him. He has family in NC but he only lived there for 2 years. and it was a comfort thing for him, about half my class of 275 kids went to mizzou so he knew hed know people there.
Did he watch today's Duke game?
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
Re-watched bits and pieces on ESPN3
Denmon’s first three at the end of the game gave me shivers.
I'm Keyon Dooling in the body of a skinny white kid.
Lesson of the day
Don’t woof at an all american because you made an open shot. This message is for:
Ratfliffe to Robinson
Teahan to Denmon

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