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Rock-M-Tology: February 6


It's that time of year again. From here until Selection Sunday, I will be offering weekly Rock-M-Tology updates each Monday(ish). Some notes as we get started:

  • When drawing up a bracket this far out, there are so many different approaches you can take. Are you in some way predicting results the rest of the way? Are you taking purely an "if the tournament started today" approach? What I basically did with this one is take the later approach, only with heavy weight on teams' Pomeroy rankings, which a) the committee doesn't take into account at all and b) have a little bit of a predictive element to them. They are much more predictive than RPI, anyway. So in a way, I guess I split the difference. A team like Murray State only gets a 7-seed in the bracket below, even though they might be a bit higher if the tournament started today (last week's Jerry Palm bracket had them at a 3-seed, today's Chris Dobbertean bracket has them a 4.
  • The other thing I tend to do this early is make this more of a "what would I do if I were the committee?" activity. As we approach Selection Sunday, I will shift more toward my prediction of what the committee will do.
  • Generally speaking, the bracket below takes into account the following factors: non-conference performance, conference performance, road/neutral court wins, wins over the RPI Top 50, losses to teams ranked 101st or worse in the RPI, and Ken Pomeroy rank. I basically approach this from a numbers perspective first, then make manual adjustments from there. I like using numbers as a starting point because, if nothing else, I haven't seen full games from all of these teams yet. The numbers set the overall perspective for you. But this is by no means ALL numbers. Not even close.
  • Yes, I have Missouri getting the final 1-seed right now. Mizzou, Baylor (No. 2 RPI) and Kansas (No. 3 Pomeroy) are locked tightly together, but since Mizzou is 2-0 versus those teams at the moment, they get the nod.

Alright, let's start with some overrated and underrated teams ... i.e. the teams about which I disagree most severely with some other bracketologists, namely Jerry Palm, Joe Lunardi and SBN's awesome Chris Dobbertean.

Who's overrated?

Colorado State (14-7) - Jerry Palm listed the Rams as a 13-seed last week, and Dobbertean had them an 11-seed this morning. Can't co-sign. Pomeroy has them ranked 102nd right now, and their five best wins are against San Diego State (a legitimately solid, 17-point win at home), Colorado, Denver, Manhattan and Montana. They have played seven games against likely NCAA tournament teams and lost six. They lost to Southern Miss by 21, Duke by 23, Wyoming by 19, New Mexico by 33 and UNLV by 19. Plus, they needed overtime to beat Manhattan, beat UTEP by just three, and needed two overtimes to beat lowly TCU at home. That's not a tournament team to me.

Mississippi State (18-5) - They're 18-5 and 5-3 in the SEC, so they're almost certainly a tourney team at the moment. But I don't think they've earned the six-seed given to them by Dobbertean and Lunardi. Against Pomeroy Top 100 teams, they are 5-4, and they have lost to to Ole Miss, Arkansas and Akron. They have beaten Alabama, Vanderbilt, West Virginia and Arizona, and they are obviously a tourney team, but I have them more in the 8-10 range.

Star-divide

Murray State (23-0) - I love mid-majors, and I habitually think they get screwed, both in terms of seeding and selection. So you would think that Murray State is the team for me, what with their Top 10 rankings and undefeated record. But I think it says quite a bit that they rank just 61st in Pomeroy's rankings. They have beaten both Southern Miss and Memphis, and they would probably have to fall apart quite a bit to miss out on an at-large bid (if they needed one), but they are not trending in the right direction. Last week they beat SEMO by eight (at home) and UT-Martin by 7 (on the road). After winning their first two OVC games by a combined 57 points, their average margin has been just 10.3 points in the last nine. They finish with three of four games on the road (including trips to SEMO and Tennessee Tech, whom they each beat by only single digits) and a visit from mighty St. Mary's in between. That's rough. I'm doubting they finish undefeated, and all it will take is a couple of losses for their seed to plummet.

Illinois (16-7) - This is a somewhat minor complaint, but while Palm had them a 6-seed last week and both Dobbertean and Lunardi have them as an 8, I had to talk myself into putting them even at 9. They have lost four of five overall, and their resume is an interesting mix of huge wins (Ohio State, Michigan State) and iffy losses (at Penn State, Northwestern at home).

Who's underrated?

New Mexico (18-4) - That they rank 10th in Pomeroy's rankings tells me their foundation is very, very solid. They were semi-putrid in the opening weeks of the season -- they lost at home to New Mexico State, then lost to Santa Clara, but they have turned it on. They have mostly racked up a nice record by whipping bad teams (which, as we've learned over time, is as good a predictor as your performances against good teams), but while Palm had them a 13 last week and Lunardi has them an 11, I had to talk myself out of giving them a 6.

Arizona (16-8) - I can't speak too highly of a team that has lost at home to San Diego State, Oregon and Washington and finds themselves just 7-4 in a bad Pac-12, but while Palm and Dobbertean both have them far on the outside looking in, I have them ahead of certain other teams, including 18-6 California, whom they just defeated on the road.

BYU (18-6) - Palm is in no way a BYU fan at the moment, but they've lost just two games to teams ranked outside of Pomeroy's Top 30, they have mostly dominated the bad teams on their schedule, and they do have wins over Gonzaga, Virginia and Nevada, for whatever that's worth to you. The numbers are higher on them than I am, but I do think they're in the field right now.

Wichita State (19-4) - The Shockers currently find themselves 15th in Pomeroy's rankings, just ahead of Duke and Florida State. Their overtime loss to Drake is ugly, but they are 5-3 versus Pomeroy's Top 100, and their other three losses (Alabama , Temple and Creighton) are all solid. I always end up over-favoring MVC teams, it seems, but if they finish as projected by Pomeroy (losing at Creighton, but otherwise winning out), they could earn themselves a very nice tourney seed.

Last Few In

BYU (18-6)
Notre Dame (15-8)
Wyoming (16-5)
Xavier (15-8)
Long Beach (15-6)
Seton Hall (15-8)
Miami (14-7)
Arizona (16-8)
Washington (16-7)
Akron (15-7)

Texas (14-9)

Names in italics would be among the last in without their conference's automatic bid.

First Few Out

Northwestern (14-8)
California (18-6)
N.C. State (17-7)
Cincinnati (16-7)
Iona (19-5)
Arkansas (16-7)
UMass (17-6)
Oral Roberts (21-5)
Stanford (16-7)
Cleveland State (19-4)
Colorado (14-7)

By Conference

8 - Big East, Big Ten
6 - Big 12
5 - ACC, SEC
4 - Mountain West
3 - Atlantic 10, West Coast
2 - Conference USA, Missouri Valley, Pac-12

The Bracket

FIRST FOUR (in Dayton)

Miami (14-7) vs Arizona (16-8)
Seton Hall (15-8) vs Texas (14-9)

Stony Brook (14-7) vs Mississippi Valley State (11-11)
Norfolk State (15-7) vs Long Island (17-7)

EAST REGIONAL (in Boston)

1 Syracuse (23-1) vs 16 Weber State (16-4)
8 Gonzaga (18-4) vs 9 Kansas State (16-6)
in Pittsburgh

5 Michigan (16-7) vs 12 Long Beach State (15-6)
4 Florida (19-4) vs 13 Oral Roberts (21-5)
in Portland

6 Virginia (18-4) vs 11 Notre Dame (15-8)
3 UNLV (19-4) vs 14 Iona (19-5
in Portland

7 Temple (17-5) vs 10 Mississippi State (18-5)
2 Michigan State (17-5) vs 15 Bucknell (17-6)

WEST REGIONAL (in Phoenix)

1 Missouri (21-2) vs 16 Stony Brook / Mississippi Valley State
8 West Virginia (16-8) vs 9 Harvard (19-2)
in Omaha

5 Wichita State (19-4) vs 12 Wyoming (16-5)
4 Wisconsin (18-6) vs 13 Miami / Arizona
in Columbus

6 Vanderbilt (16-7) vs 11 BYU (18-6)
3 Marquette (19-5) vs 14 Davidson (16-5)
in Louisville

7 New Mexico (18-4) vs 10 St. Louis (17-5)
2 North Carolina vs 15 VCU (20-5)
in Greensboro

SOUTH REGIONAL (in Atlanta)

1 Kentucky (23-1) vs 16 UNC-Asheville (15-7)
8 Memphis (16-7) vs 9 Illinois (16-7)
in Louisville

5 St. Mary's (20-2) vs 12 Xavier (15-8)
4 Indiana (18-6) vs 13 Washington (16-7)
in Albuquerque

6 Louisville (18-5) vs 11 Middle Tennessee (20-4)
3 Duke (19-4) vs 14 Nevada (17-4)
in Greensboro

7 Murray State (20-0) vs 10 Purdue (15-8)
2 Baylor (20-2) vs 15 UT-Arlington (16-5)
in Albuquerque

MIDWEST REGIONAL (in St. Louis)

1 Ohio State (20-3) vs 16 Norfolk State / Long Island
8 UConn (15-7) vs 9 Iowa State (17-6)
in Nashville

5 Florida State (16-6) vs 12 Seton Hall / Texas
4 Creighton (21-3) vs 13 Akron (15-7)
in Nashville

6 Southern Miss (18-3) vs 11 Minnesota (17-7)
3 Georgetown (17-4) vs 14 Cleveland State (19-4)
in Pittsburgh

7 San Diego State (18-3) vs 10 Alabama (15-7)
2 Kansas (18-5) vs 15 Belmont (16-7)
in Omaha

My At-First-Glance Final Four

Syracuse, North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas

Second glance: Florida, Missouri, No Idea (don't trust any of the teams besides Kentucky), Ohio State

Missouri's Inevitable Path To Destiny (ahem)

Stony Brook, West Virginia, Wichita State, North Carolina, Syracuse, Kentucky. No sweat.

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My bracket strategy of picking Mizzou to go all the way might actually pay off this year

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Feb 6, 2012 2:05 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No St. Louis, huh?

Great, now BOTH sides of the state are pissed.

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by RPT on Feb 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

I show them as a 10

Advocating for the "Snarkbone" since 2012
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by The Beef on Feb 6, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

/Not sure if snarky

I meant as far as the regional is concerned.

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by RPT on Feb 6, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, West Virginia.

Mizzou just can’t quit you.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Feb 6, 2012 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

We're doomed since they are so much better than us in every way

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Feb 6, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No Thanks West Virginia.
No Thanks Wisconsin.
No Thanks North Carolina if it can be avoided.

This would not be a fun draw. Pulling teeth at every turn.

by ConcernedTiger on Feb 6, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I've come to the conclusion that

there are very few draws that ellicit a “whew” response from me. It would have to take a supremely fortuitous tactical advantage to feel that way. I guess what I’m saying is that every path is pretty tough if the committee does a decent job.

by CBonerfied on Feb 6, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If Mizzou AND tOSU manage one seeds...

Is it pretty much a foregone conclusion that tOSU gets the midwest region since Syracuse gets the east, which would then put Missouri in the west? I know the tournament decision makers are factoring in geography for opening round games, which I think is great. I guess my question is- do they take geography into account for, say, all four 1-seeds at once, or do they go down the list and say “Number 1, Kentucky. South….” and then the other 1-seeds get the closest site to them, in order of ranking among 1-seeds? Clear as mud? It’s Monday, and I can honestly say this is the most thought I’ve put into ANYTHING today. My brain hurts from the weekend still.

@armyofmike

by kcmike on Feb 6, 2012 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

It depends on who's ranked higher on the S-Curve

If Mizzou is the third best #1 seed, they’ll get StL. If they’re fourth best, they get Phoenix.

by CBonerfied on Feb 6, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure Bill, I leave for the weekend and can't get to a computer

And you go and post all this stuff

Reconcile. By. Winning.
cakeat eator

by Fullback U on Feb 6, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

Can't remember the rule

can two teams who met in the non-conference season (not conference mates) play again in the first round of the tourney, or is there no rule about that?

by CBonerfied on Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

The rule that would probably apply with MU and KU is

that the first three teams placed in the tourney from the same conference must be in different regions.

MU, KU and Baylor will all be in different regions if the B12 plays out as expected.

"Gentlemen, this is a football."-Vince Lombardi
"Slow down coach, you're going too fast."-Max McGee

by MUJD on Feb 6, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

If you are going to win this thing for the first time, you may as well do it right. That path to destiny qualifies as that.

by MizKC on Feb 6, 2012 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

Screw West Virginyah. I want Hahvahd!

Let’s kick some smaht kid ass!

Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.

by Andy--01 on Feb 6, 2012 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

we played Cornell in '09

they gave us a helluva game.

Hahvud is probably smahtah than Cornell, but that’s splitting hairs.

by ZouDave on Feb 6, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Tigers finish well (say, 6-2 or 7-1)

and ku finishes 7-1 or 8-0, that very well might happen.

by CBonerfied on Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Why am I not surprised that you would rather be KU?

/kidding

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree 86.

That way we could get both Omaha and STL.

"Gentlemen, this is a football."-Vince Lombardi
"Slow down coach, you're going too fast."-Max McGee

by MUJD on Feb 6, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

So Missouri is still #4 in the polls

The coaches have Kansas #10. Which may or not be not be fair. But does anyone doubt they would pretty comfortably beat Murray State 9 times out of 10? Who are #7.

Polls are dumb.

by MizKC on Feb 6, 2012 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

Given Kansas' history against mid-majors...

"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English

by Gaknar on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Yep

polls reward not losing much more than a challenging schedule.

by CBonerfied on Feb 6, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

kU would beat murray by 15 in murray

and like 35 in lawrence. i’m not even joking.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

aaaand green.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. Experiencing cheering whiplash for decades..

by Wan Ihite on Feb 6, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I've actually seen some pretty heated debates

about whether rankings should be based on past performance, hypothetical future performance or some combination thereof, and there’s clearly good arguments either way. Apparently the pollsters adhere to the past performance mantra.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

getting the one seed is awesome and all...

but damn, it’d be nice to beat out ohio state on that s-curve and not get shipped out west and have north carolina waiting as your 2. that would blow.

granted, that’s probably going to take no more than a loss in lawrence and a trip to the big 12 title game, but it could happen.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 6, 2012 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

We probably have a bunch of trouble with UNC...

but you’re not going to play a Dog in the Elite Eight. Still I’d think I rather play tOSU for the trip to F4.

"Gentlemen, this is a football."-Vince Lombardi
"Slow down coach, you're going too fast."-Max McGee

by MUJD on Feb 6, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, no way Georgia makes it that far.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. Experiencing cheering whiplash for decades..

by Wan Ihite on Feb 6, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

OT

But I hope I’m not the only one who LOVES that picture of STEEEEEEEEEVE that’s popping up everywhere.

Check out the up-and-coming Mizzou blog: http://www.zoulogy.com

by kacc56 on Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

link?

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Feb 6, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The one of him screaming with the crowd

It was on the college basketball main page on ESPN, but they replaced it with another cool STEEEEVE one

Check out the up-and-coming Mizzou blog: http://www.zoulogy.com

by kacc56 on Feb 6, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

…I do now.

"KU, you're nothing to me now. You're not a rival, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do."

by blackfin on Feb 6, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ku has no chance at final four

They got two guys…. thats it.

by The Oracle on Feb 7, 2012 9:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

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