Rock M Roundtable!
by Bill C. on Feb 8, 2012 3:37 PM CST
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1. Who wins tonight: Baylor or Kansas?
2. Who wins the Big 12: Missouri, Kansas, Baylor, or Other?
3. Over or Under: Kansas and Missouri are playing basketball against each other in five years?
4. Rivalry Week™ is this week, which, combined with the fact that I'm actually writing about basketball now, has me thinking about something: should the college basketball season begin later? The Daily's Dan Wolken wrote about this last week. My first reaction: No way. My second reaction: Why not? Basketball season lasts as long as football season, but a good chunk of people don't really start paying attention until the last couple of months. Would May Madness work?
Consider this your "What a great night of basketball" live thread as well. Kansas-Baylor, 'Cuse-Georgetown, Duke-UNC, etc. What a great night of basketball!
Doug: 1 - I'll go with Bill Self's track record, and pick Kansas.
2 - Kansas.
3 - Over, way over.
4 - Hmmm... moving the start of the season back a little bit is intriguing. I don't know if you can realistically move the tournament, there are too many other sports basketball would start competing with in the early spring: baseball, pro basketball (it actually starts getting interesting in April), and the Masters. If you moved the start of basketball until after Thanksgiving, you might be able to get three games a week for some teams, and ratchet up interest that way.
The Beef: 1 - If the game is in Waco, I’d say Baylor. But, I know Self is 22 for this last 22 in games after losses, so I will go with kU.
2 - I am guessing this one is all about who trips up against someone else. MU is riding really close to the fire on this one, and like Bill C. would say, you never bet against a streak. I know the ISU road game is currently helping us, but I suppose I will say kU and be happy when I am wrong.
3 - I think the administration at kU would have to turn over for this to probably get going again.
4 - Three games in a week wont likely happen considering and I agree with Doug about moving around March Madness. You just have WAAAAAAAY too much going on in the sports world in April and March Madness fits very nicely in it currently. I don’t see a May Madness being any different when you would have two professional leagues into their playoffs at that point.
Michael Atchison: 1. Kansas, close.
2. Don’t make me write it.
3. Under. It will happen in four years.
4. No. College basketball is all that makes the winter tolerable.
Doug: And, further on the point of college basketball competing with football, the reality is, the NFL only has two major game days a week (I'm not counting the Thursday night game on NFL Net yet), so basketball does okay in that regard. Competing with the bowl games starting in December is a tougher conundrum, mainly because ESPN gives college basketball it's biggest stage, but it's ESPN that owns all the low-level bowl games.
ZouDave: 1 – Baylor
2 – Missouri
3 – Under
4 – No.
The Beef: Someone’s loquacious today
ZouDave: I freaking just got to work…spent 40 minutes sitting on I-35. Bowl of suck.
The Beef: Well did you at least miss your ever-so-exciting Wed. morning team meeting?
ZouDave: Luckily we haven’t done one of those in like 3 months. It has made us infinitely more productive.
ZouDave: Also, Beef…the game tonight is in Waco.
The Beef: Yeah…I went with the 22-0 following a loss anyway
(90 minutes later…)
SleepyFloyd7: Hey-yo.
1 - KU - T-Robinson goes for a sextuple-double
2 - I think 2 teams will tie at 15-3. I won't type any more.
3 - I'll take the under. I'm with Atch - I think we will see a game after 4 years apart. The MU/KU hole in the schedule will be gaping, and both sides will agree to fill it.
4 - Don't mess with a great thing. March Madness is a hugely successful enterprise (and brand).
BTW, what the hellz is going on with all the 503 errors on RMN?
The Beef: Looks like the Caption Contest will have to wait, eh?
RPT: 1. 503 error
2. 503 error
3. 503 error
4. Jackie Chan
ZouDave:
The Beef: I got a 500 error at one point. Does that mean I am special?
ZouDave: Oh Beef…you’re all kinds of special.
The Beef: Thanks…just wanted to make sure my mom was not lying to me
(Five minutes later...)
The Beef: WE HAVE LIFE!!....though it suddenly looks somewhat like Tigerboard
RPT: So then we have death.
The Beef: Well..needless to say the formatting is a hair off currently
ZouDave: Formatting looks fine to me, though I did have to login again.
The Beef: I am not that fortunate.
Doug: Wow... I've been Tigerboard-free since 2005. That looks terrifying.
ZouDave: Even Tigerboard looks better than that.
ZouDave: WAH-WAH!
Doug: Yeah, but looks aren't everything.
(Four hours later...)
ZouDave: Well I would be concerned about this roundtable, but we didn’t even have one last week and it was one of the best weeks we’ve ever had. So…keep up the good work, fellas!
SleepyFloyd7: Maybe we can use the excuse that google was down all morning....
ZouDave: I blame the traffic I was in this morning. Threw my whole day off.
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I'd REC RPT"s input on this.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" – Teets
1. Who wins tonight: Baylor or Kansas? Baylor!
2. Who wins the Big 12: Missouri, Kansas, Baylor, or Other? Missouri!!
3. Over or Under: Kansas and Missouri are playing basketball against each other in five years? Over.
4. Rivalry Week™ is this week, which, combined with the fact that I’m actually writing about basketball now, has me thinking about something: should the college basketball season begin later? The Daily’s Dan Wolken wrote about this last week. My first reaction: No way. My second reaction: Why not? Basketball season lasts as long as football season, but a good chunk of people don’t really start paying attention until the last couple of months. Would May Madness work? No.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
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1. Who wins tonight? People who watch UNC-Duke instead
2. Missouri. It was decided a while ago when we went to the SEC. We won the Big 12 on that day.
3. Push.
4. No. Change is never good. Get off of my lawn.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Feb 8, 2012 3:52 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I can smell pig somewhere....
1. Baylor, just to piss the Mrs. off.
2. 3-way tie, just to piss everyone off.
3. Under, just to piss Lew Perkins off.
4. Move it back, just to piss 2396 off.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 3:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So with Mizzou out of the big 12 and kansas not playing next year...
Sounds like you are going to need a roundtable replacement for doug. And I can’t think of anyone else to fill the “semi-annoying dude who always disagrees with everyone” role better than myself.
Annoying You Since 1986
shouldn't we pick a member of the enemy instead?
like… someone from Arkansas?
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
Off Topic, but...
Check out the up-and-coming Mizzou blog: http://www.zoulogy.com
by kacc56 on Feb 8, 2012 3:58 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
lets just play ku in football
since the whole, “what do we have to gain argument” is so popular. apparently, winning over your rival is worth nothing, but attendance in the seats is the only true “gain”? if so, in football, ku has a ton to gain. let’s be magnanimous and stomp them and give them a few more dollars than they would get otherwise.
if you take into account both football and basketball together as a series, ku clearly has more to gain at the moment by playing mu anyway. a full basketball arena is worth far less than even a half full football stadium.
hey guys, will you call me bulldog?
-bob "bulldog" fescoe
by mufaninkc on Feb 8, 2012 4:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
"How dare you leave the Big 12 to make more money!"
“Of course we won’t play you in non-conference, we’ll lose money.”
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or "Of course we won’t play you in non-conference, we can't afford to lose that money."
“Yeah we’ll make more money playing you in football, but we need to play easier teams since our program is struggling, and you’re just too good.”
“Good luck in the SEC losers! How can you expect your crappy football team to compete?”
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
"missouri is irrelevant"
“you guys caused the big 12 to break up!”
hey guys, will you call me bulldog?
-bob "bulldog" fescoe
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“Oklahoma fans didn’t go to the Missouri game because they don’t care about Missouri.”
“Kansas fans didn’t go to the Arrowhead game because our team sucked.”
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
I don't get the "It helps Missouri" argument
We’re starting a rivalry with Kentucky next year, and despite what the Beakers like to believe, we stage national games too. Remember, Georgetown wanted to play us last year to improve their RPI. That sentiment will only grow after this season. Also, as the Saturday game proved, we would put just as many butts in the seats at Sprint as they would. In football though, I don’t see Kansas improving at all with the addition or TCU and West Virginia. We’ve been subsidizing them with the Arrowhead game for years. I guess they could get the K-State fans to do it, but the Wildcats already bring more fans to games in Lawrence than the Beakers do. Given the colossal failure of Farmageddon, I don’t see that game moving to Arrowhead.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
by Gaknar on Feb 8, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
We're starting a rivalry with Kentucky next year?
That will be nothing comparable to this. Kentucky and Florida are rivals. Our best shot for a big rival is Arkansas.
Annoying You Since 1986
In basketball? Of course we're starting a rivalry
Nothing will ever be as big as Border War, but despite what the SEC football like to believe, I imagine the SEC and Kentucky are thrilled to see what Mizzou is doing this year. It will never be Kentucky-Louisville, but it doesn’t have to be. Arkansas will be more of a football rivalry, especially when CMA gets fired in three years :)
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
But wait, Kentucky and Louisville aren't in the same conference
how can they have a rivalry?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
by BigMOman on Feb 8, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No kidding.
Between signing day and MU hoops, Mike Slive must literally laugh himself to sleep on how well it all worked out.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
@SECSports tweeted congrats to us after the Border War victory
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
Thats what a good conference is all about
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
personally, im fine with not playing them
as much as i like hating them, which can be fun, they are right-they don’t really need us, and we don’t really need them. i can live without some hate, especially if at the same time i don’t have to address absurdly illogical arguments from people who somehow at the same time manage to be incredibly arrogant (in february). one last F-U by winning the big 12-4+2? for old times sake on the way out would be great, but their collapsed football program and their meltdown in columbia last weekend will suffice for me in any event.
hey guys, will you call me bulldog?
-bob "bulldog" fescoe
I'm totally sure that selling the TV rights to that game, sponsorships or something
would cost kU more. I love how they are all about ending the rivalry over the financial reason, but claim they own KC. If you own KC, wouldn’t getting fans to go to a game in KC against a rival be probably the easiest thing ever? Here’s an idea, it makes it even easier! You come to us one year and then we will come to you! That way, you can save up all your nickles and pennies to buy a ticket when the game is in Lawrence.
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
*cost kU more than they would make on the game....
Bad joke..
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
if your rival is the collection of ass showing douchebags
the ku has shown themselves to be over this then screw it, let’s not play them and let’s quit acting like its a rivalry this year while we do have to play them. We have been magnanimous, they have been petty, we don’t need them to be able to recruit in Kansas City, their panties have wadded up so tight that light cannot escape so let’s say fine and move on.
by JC-Mizzou on Feb 8, 2012 4:15 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
well at the end of the day they’ll play or they won’t. We’ll be fine either way. Chalk it up as one more good thing ruined by KU though.
like fictional birds?
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I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I cant look at any sort of fictional bird type creature in fantasy movies or sci-fi without being like, that bird would suck at football
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
I mean, look at big bird’s measurables – the height, the weight, you’d think he’d be good. But he has the speed of a turkey (post-basting), and frankly the brain of a bird.
So, very Jeff Whithe like?
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
#CakeForLife
by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
I can't even look at some of the Accura cars....
without getting really pissed off.
Their front facia looks like a beak. F(^% that noise.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 8, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I see the football game coming back long before the basketball. With BBall they don’t gain any money, and they’re expected to win anyway, so it’s not like there’s a chance for a thrilling upset. With FB they can take a nice big pay check, and actually have people paying attention to them for once. They need a year or two off to learn how to play at the division 1 level again, and then I think football is on. Bball will take much longer.
I think you meant D-II
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
While that would indeed be an improvement, they won’t want to play us until they’re a bad D1 team again, so I’m thinking at least 4 years.
4 years is what it took Gary Robin Pinkel
In Charlie Weis years that is….
Never.
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
Does anyone know what money the teams currently get from Border War promotions?
Take Hy-Vee for instance. Do the schools get any money from that promotion? Because if they do, the Kansas argument falls apart. They aren’t going to get those promotions from playing Kentucky or Davidson.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
I would think they would be pretty substantial.
Not millions, but maybe 100,000’s of dollars? That’s not chump change for an athletic department.
"I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches" -Josey Wales
Don't underestimate the RVs
Something tells me a steady stream of RVs from the southeast heading into Missouri during football season will make up for this.
For most Big 12 schools maybe,
but after seeing how much ’Bama and the rest of the SEC spend on athletics, you could almost certainly see where $100 grand could fall through the cracks (and into the bank account of a recruits parents)
by TheHamburglar on Feb 9, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
KU fan here
I put in a freedom of information act request for this (MVPRoC rightly pointed out that this discussion could use some hard numbers). I’ll post if I find anything.
Just so the facts are out there though, the game against Davidson was officially the M&I Bank Kansas City Shootout. And the game against Kentucky was part of the State Farm Champions Classic.
Of course, MU could negate the financial argument by agreeing to play for Davidson’s share, plus a split of excess revenues.
No way! Good on you KSinDC!!
Sweet.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
It sounds like all of important documents are held at IMG sports
So don’t get your hopes up.
But I’m interested to see whatever I can get, and I’ll do a fanshot or something with them.
The Champions Classic was a tournament
And the M&I Bank Kansas City Shootout is against a different opponent every year. Neither of those are the same as the Border War, which generates multiple promotions for an established rivalry.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
I'm not sure what your point is
My point is that KU gets corporate sponsors for its games at neutral sites. That was in response to your theory that:
Do the schools get any money from that promotion? Because if they do, the Kansas argument falls apart. They aren’t going to get those promotions from playing Kentucky or Davidson.
I filed a FOIA request to try to get the numbers on how much those sponsorships cost. If corporate sponsorships for a KU/MU game are supposed to make the game more financially beneficial to KU, they’ll have to more than double what KU gets from sponsorship agreements for the game the KU/MU game replaces.
You know exactly what my point is
The Champions Classic was a tourney sponsorship and was not specific to any particular game. Missouri gets those promotions too. The KC Shootout is specific to Kansas but has nothing to do with a rivalry. I’m sorry, but I find it hard to believe that any sponsorship involving Davidson or Colorado State is going to generate as much as Border War, especially if it were a permanent rivalry. A good comparison would be the Arch Rivalry as that is a specific long-term rivalry between two name brand schools. For Kansas, the Sunflower Showdown would be the proper comparison.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
I don't know the numbers. I wish I did
I don’t think the State Farm sponsorship is particularly relevant. I only included it because you mentioned the Kentucky game.
The M&I Bank sponsorship seems exactly relevant. I don’t know how much it’s for, but KU is effectively keeping all of it right now wheras any Border War sponsorship revenues would presumably be split 50:50. Unless there’s some strong evidence that Border War sponsorships are more than twice as much, I don’t think it’s at all clear that “the Kansas argument falls apart” just because of the existence of Border War sponsorships.
You're assuming Sorry Charlie can coach and recruit...
which he cannot.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
KU fan here
I think the football game comes back fairly soon assuming that lengthened conference seasons don’t make out-of-conference rivalry games a thing of the past.
I’m not sure the basketball game ever comes back unless KU needs help filling the seats. I think the situation may just be too imbalanced to be resolvable otherwise.
So I read this as:
kansas will allow Mizzou to subsidize the football team, but will not return the favor for basketball. Got it.
Reconcile. By. Winning.
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MU is under no obligation to play any games that don't benefit it
I was the impression that MU wasn’t selling out its football games so it could use match-ups that attract additional fans. That’s how rivalry games work as win-win instead of a transfer from one team to another. If I was wrong about MU’s attendance, then I can certainly understand why MU might not want to play
Yeah?
Would MU play for a 1/4 share of the profits in bball? Because we could probably make that work.
I wish they would just get together, go through the numbers
and find a number that would work for both sides.
KU attracts fans to football games?
Evidence from last season speaks otherwise.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
Here's some evidence
This year, KU football at home has substantially outdrawn MU basketball at home.
KU: 7 games at avg 42,965 (84.4% of capacity)
MU: 13 games at avg 10,910 (72.4% of capacity)
Every time someone around here acknowledge its more about the rivalry than money
You or another kU fan makes it about money and revenue.
Comparing kU home football games versus Mizzou home basketball games when in reality the game would likely be played in Kansas City Missouri is a fruitless argument at this point.
Reconcile. By. Winning.
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I'll be shocked if the football game is in KC
I think even if they’d stayed in the same conference, the game would have been moved back to campus sites. I can’t imagine the economics work better in KC than on campus, but I admit I haven’t studied it much.
And all I’ve ever tried to do on the topic of the rivalry is to point out what Bill Self means when he says that he’ll only consider a game if it’s beneficial to both sides. Saying that something is about more than money doesn’t mean that money is irrelevant. If you want to find a way to bring the rivalry back, you have to address the very practical problems that the basketball game presents. Money is a big part of that.
If KU had 40k+ fans at last year's Border War game,
they all must have been invisible.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
This isn't about money.
If it was, Missouri would never schedule Kansas in football again. Your fans don’t really care about football. Missouri exceeded its Border War allotment last year while Kansas barely broke 11k tickets sold.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/23/3283521/border-war-ticket-sales-lagging.html
Nationally speaking, Missouri’s 26th in football attendance (from the most recent published 2011 stats) at 61,540/gm while Kansas ranks only 55th at 44,851/gm.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2011/Attendance.pdf
Yet, despite the numbers which don’t lie (and that suggest a game vs., say, Nebraska) would be more competitive and more profitable, Missouri still wants to schedule these games for the sake of the rivalry. It’s not about the level of competition. Missouri could schedule New Mexico or San Jose State and get about the same level of competition.
Your argument always seems to be that Davidson or whomever is more financially beneficial to KU basketball so there is no reason to schedule Mizzou. Clearly that’s also true for Mizzou in football, since your football team sucks and no one shows up to the games.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
I haven't seen any analysis saying MU would lose money by scheduling KU
As I’ve pointed out below, KU football does sell a surprising number of tickets. My understanding is that MU does not sell out its non-conference games currently so there’s essentially free money available if they can schedule a team that they would sell out.
If there’s an offer from Nebraska to schedule a non-conference game, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see MU schedule that in the next few years (when the chance of a Border War game is quite small). If there’s no Nebraska game in the next few years, I don’t think it makes sense to use an imaginary Nebraska game as the comparison.
I made the comparison
because Nebraska was the 3rd longest rivalry west of the Mississippi until 2010. The only rival Missouri has played longer is Kansas.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
Isn't TV money factored in?
If so, I’m pretty sure a ku MU game would draw much more money
Then a Nebraska game?
Surely you jest.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
I'm talking about MU v ku
in basketball vs ku and Davidson or some such matchup
Oh, no.
According to our resident Kansas poster, they make much more money off Davidson because they don’t have to split revenue.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
I honestly don't know how much TV money
that would generate or how it is distributed but it seems to me that it would more than make up for a few thousand tickets sold.
ESPN has been dying to show
Kansas vs. Davidson. Much better tv.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
did it get as many views as
ku v MU? and on a side note, HAHAHA you are right that was on ESPN!!
Yes, and it was much more compelling than the last Missouri-Kansas game. I didn’t watch the Davidson game, did Gameday show up for that one?
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
It seemed relevant to the discussion
ESPN bought the rights to the game even when we played Davidson. Would the TV money more than double for a game against MU?
Considering the national outcry at the rivalry ending?
I imagine ESPN would be interested in talking.
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
why does it have to double?
wouldn’t it be worth it as long as it made more?
Because KU effectively keeps all of it
when they play Davidson.
But would effectively be splitting 50:50 if they played MU.
The question is whether continuing the series benefits both sides.
Kansas might get a win vs. MU...
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
fair enough
but i agree with Gaknar, I think ESPN would make it happen, it would certainly be in their benefit.
And you keep making the mistake of assuming
that a match against Davidson is going to result in the same revenues as a match with Missouri. The tickets for the last Border War game were going for hundreds of dollars on the secondary market. How many Kansas fans were throwing out hundreds of dollars to get into the Davidson game? The Border War is a higher demand game, which means higher ticket prices, better sponsorships and prime time game times (with the associated increased advertising rates).
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
by Gaknar on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No December non-con game
is going to match what was at stake on Saturday. Against Davidson or against MU.
And I don’t think the schools actually benefitted from those hundred-dollar ticket prices.
The Davidson game did have several sections of $300 tickets, which did sell out.
I agree that the Border War is higher demand. I’m just not sure it’s enough higher. Especially without a conference championship at stake.
Now you're just being fatuous
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
what was the rating of that game
vs the Border War? I am sure it wasn’t close.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
If only the conference championship
was at stake in future KU-MU meetings.
I can’t find the ratings but I’ll keep looking.
Border War 7th ranked show...
7 0.94 COLLEGE BASKETBALL REGULAR SEASON: Kansas @ Missouri ESPN 8:59 132 1.5 2432
I can’t find any info for a game on Dec. 19th, probably because no one outside of Kansas watched the game vs. Monday night football.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."
by Kpz1234 on Feb 9, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Odd.
kU only played 6 home games on campus this year, yet somehow this mysterious 7th game is counting towards the average % of capacity…
Sorry, read the wrong line
The percentage of capacity was right: 84.4%
The average should have been 42,283.
Mizzou never offered a Groupon
For one.
by Sheriff Blalock on Feb 8, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to
MU did offer half-price tickets.
Here's some more evidence
What do the numbers look like when you subtract K-State fans?
"You have to remember, basketball to the University of Miami is like football to the University of Kansas." - Kim English
by Gaknar on Feb 8, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Watching football as a KU fan this year was a miserable experience
I don’t blame people for leaving early. I think it’s amazing that KU was able to sell as many tickets as it did. Either our fans or our ticket promotions people deserve a lot more credit than they get.
I have no idea why MU has had such trouble attracting people to its basketball games. But I’m surprised a school with a 3/4 full arena for a top-25 team is taunting other fanbases for their level of support.
Leaving early?
Wouldn’t that imply that they ever showed up? Besides, you’re the one who decided to bring up the attendance argument. It was a veiled by typical Beaker attendance flame and when you do that, we’re going to point out your horrible football attendance. You can massage the numbers all you want, but we’re not the school that had an ESPN sideline reporter mocking ours fans to their faces as they left at halftime.
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I did not bring it up
KU attracts fans to football games?
Evidence from last season speaks otherwise.
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by Kpz1234 on Feb 8, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was honestly surprised when I first looked up MU's attendance numbers
I looked them up after a season of hearing about KU’s poor football attendance. I didn’t expect to find a glass house.
Sigh
Take a look at the actual breakdown:
In conference:
KU: Obviously
TTech: >15k
A&M: >15k
Texas (during break): 14k
OU (during break): 15k
Hey we might be good but these games still suck!:
William and Mary (the beginning of break): 9k
Kennesaw State: 8k
Navy: 11.5k
Northwestern State: 12k
Who cares about these games:
Binghampton: 5k
Niagra: 6k
Mercer: 5k
SEMO: 9.6k
So no, we didn’t show up for Binghampton, Niagra and Mercer at the beginning of the year. It’s apples to oranges.
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Every KU game was at least 70% full (equivalent to 10.5k)
even after it was clear that basically every game was going to be a miserable experience.
I don’t really understand the idea of not showing up for games because “who cares?” I don’t think you see that in MU football or KU football or basketball in years where the teams are good (or, probably, even in years where the teams aren’t very good).
And it's also a tiny football stadium, so it's even a more ridiculous comparison
Again, you’re making apples to oranges comparison to the worst possible degree. Football is a once a week sport where tailgating is solidly half the experience anyway.
A Monday game against Mercer—-which back then btw we weren’t supposed to be all that great——following a home football win against Texas (read: party)…..no, I could not possibly care less about actually going to. It’s effectively a practice.
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Look guys!
The Cardinals only drew 86.9% attendance in a year in which they won the World Series while the Blues are drawing 97.9%. Clearly St. Louis is a hockey town!!!!
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We could do the raw numbers comparison
KU football: 253,698
MU basketball: 141,834
What statistical comparison would you prefer?
If we’re trying to draw comparisons across the sports, how would you go about it?
The confounding factors are impossible to even estimate
And I’m not sure what purpose it would serve anyway.
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Also, so we're clear
I’m responding to the idea that KU has not football fans to contribute to a rivalry game. I’m just trying to benchmark it against MU basketball for some context when we talk about the rivalry. I’m a little curious why the basketball team doesn’t draw better, but I’m not deeply invested in the idea that MU has crummy fans. Maybe the tickets are mispriced or some other factor that doesn’t show up in the attendance numbers.
The idea
Is that KU would be subsidizing Mizzou for basketball, which they would to some degree—-but they are unwilling to play. Mizzou would be subsidizing KU football, which they would to some degree—-but we are apparently willing to play. It’s almost like there’s a deal to be made!
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I think football is a win-win
If neither team is close to selling out, then scheduling a sell out should be a win for both sides.
It’s only if all the tickets would already be sold that you get into the possibilty of a win-lose situation.
Putting an on-campus game against Western Illinois or whatever (attendance 63k this year) every year
Instead of a game every other year (or in KC at this point when KU is sending 11k fans), would certainly make more money for Mizzou.
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If the game is only drawing 47k fans
Why exactly is it so important to continue it?
I think the game would need to be moved back on campus if the series is going to continue.
Your fans lack of attendance will be only more glaring.
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Your fans don't even show up on campus.
The benefit of the Arrowhead game is the increased payout.
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You are 'benchmarking' it
that way because it’s the only way to bolster your argument while insulting Missouri.
Compare football to football, basketball to basketball when you talk about attendance.
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I don't care why MU's basketball isn't sold out.
But I don’t think many people on here would say that KU shouldn’t schedule a basketball game with MU because MU doesn’t have any fans that come to games. I benchmarked it against MU basketball to make clear how ridiculous that idea is.
Yeah, except
Mizzou and KU actually did play a football game 40 minutes from KU’s campus in a neutral site where ~11k fans showed up. It’s not a hypothetical, that happened.
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Should I judge MU fans' interest in the rivarly
By the fact that only 36K showed up for that game — by far the lowest of the year for an MU home/neutral game?
Or would it be better to consult a larger dataset?
36k of our fans,
11k of yours.
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But I thought Kansas city
belonged to kU? There's no way that only 11k fans showed up to a game being played in their backyard.
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I don't even know what point you're trying to make
That we really, actually don’t care about the money and just playing the rivalry matters? Yes, that’s the point.
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The rivalry matters to whom?
Presumably it matters to the fans. I thought we all agreed on that.
Which is why using a game where both teams’ fans had their poorest attendance of the year might not be representative of the future.
If this year’s game was representative of future fan interest, there’s no point in playing. If there’s a point in playing, this year’s game was not representative of future fan interest.
You do realize that
the ku football stadium is much different size the the MU basketball arena…right?
Those numbers don’t benchmark squat.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
At this year's Arrowhead game
Mizzou fans were moving over to sit next to the KU band so that they could get out of the wind. I don’t care how many tickets you sold, there is no way that Kansas was filling 70% of capacity this year. Maybe you sold that many tickets to season tickets holders, and I imagine there was some typical AD coercion involved to get basketball fans to buy tickets, but Kansas was not putting butts in the seats.
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I assume the same thing goes on at all schools
Big 12 uses tickets sold rather than butts in seats for football and basketball.
Besides, isn’t tickets sold the relevant metric?
No, because it's not an accurate indicator of fan interest
The Chiefs technically sold out most of their games last year, but that’s because local businesses bought up the extra tickets to prevent the games from being blacked out. According to you, that proves that the Chiefs are a better draw than the Packers.
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So is the idea that KU fans aren't interested in the game
But we should play it anyway?
If kU fans aren't interested in the game
Then who’s really abandoning the rivalry?
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I think the Arrowhead game is a misleading measure
But if that’s really how KU fans feel about the game, there’s no rivalry to abandon.
If you think (like I believe we all do) that there’s a serious rivalry, then there’s reason to believe the game to draw better in the future — on both sides.
good lord
you are obtuse… anyway, lets just say we think football money will more than make up for basketball money, assuming you actually lose basketball money, which we don’t believe to be the case. so to summarize we are criticizing your flimsy excuses for not wanting to play.
Playing football benefits both schools
So let’s play.
If playing basketball doesn’t benefit one of the schools, let’s not play (unless we can find a way to make it benefit both).
Is that such an outrageous position?
Playing football does not benefit both schools
We’d make more money with Western Illinois every year on campus.
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Not to mention the lowest attendance home game we've had the past 5 years
Is higher than KU’s capacity if we’re going back to campuses.
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There is more money to be gained from football
for both schools. Probably so much as to make basketball money not even a factor.
Considering you always seem to be searching for the numbers and yet always come to the same conclusion
Then yes, it is.
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I think this argument is over
It’s been interesting and civil and I obviously agree with Gaknar and the Mizzou side here, but the space with which to comment is running out.
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Thanks for the good exchange
Sorry to pollute your blog with these long threads.
I’ll stay off this topic on RMN until I get a response on my Freedom of Information Act requests.
This may blow your mind...
…but Missouri doesn’t NEED to play kU in football the same way that kU doesn’t NEED to play MU in basketball. Mizzou WANTS to play, in every sport as Mike Alden said, to preserve the rivalry.
by MacTiger on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yuck.
Don’t engage with this troll.
Seriously – he does this about every ten days.
Starve the beast.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
I like excuses
and whining about officiating!
Tasty as bitter tears of defeat.
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They’ve beaten us in women’s basketball this year. That’s it. We’re the only ones contributing anything to this rivalry outside of basketball, and yet they’re subsidizing us. Whatever.
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Don't drink too much
b/c it’s really strong.
1 cup Triple Sec
1 cup brandy
1/2 cup Chambord
2 cups unsweetened pineapple juice
1 quart chilled ginger ale
2 chilled 750-ml. bottles dry champagne
In a bowl combine the Triple Sec, the brandy, the Chambord and the pineapple juice and chill the mixture, covered, for at least 4 hours or overnight. In a large punch bowl combine the Triple Sec mixture, the ginger ale, and the champagne and add ice cubes.
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I had a French 75 made with lime sherbet instead of lemonade at a wedding six months ago
Well, actually, I had about 20.
But this reminds me to go looking for a recipe to replicate that. Epicurious is a good place to look. Thanks for including the link.
Ron Prince is the Jags new offensive line coach?
Damn, sorry about your career Gabbert.
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2) Mizzou
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4) I don’t like it… but I’ll conceed playing later in the year has its advantages.
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Seriously?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Truth!
I thought I’d see a mention of it around here, but it was my wife that tipped me off via email.
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hell, he probably could have started for them last year
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Answers
1. Baylor
2. MU/KU tie
3. Over
4. Don’t go changin’ to try and please me, you never let me down before.
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by MUJD on Feb 8, 2012 4:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ignoring the rivalry, does a Baylor or Kansas win help us more in conference?
I would assume that a Baylor win would help us more, since the game against them at home will be easier than winning at Kansas, and Baylor has the tougher remaining schedule from what I can see, so Kansas is more likely to have a better record after today.
So I guess that means I have even more reason to cheer for Baylor.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 4:46 PM CST reply actions
Im cheering for a 4-ot tie where both teams get a loss.
That is possible in the Big-whatever, right?
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on which AD pays off the refs first
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Very true, but theres no way any AD would be in the tunnel after a game
NO WAY!
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
That's the only reasons arenas have a tunnel.
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Baylor win, I think
They want revenge against both of us, so I think it helps if they give Kansas their best shot first. We have the extra days to prepare and our game is at home, so maybe they’ll expend their emotional energy on the Beakers.
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baylor win, plz
if they win saturday’s game is for the outright lead in the conference.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Serious Question
What happens if Mizzou and kU tie at 15-3? (assuming our only other loss is at kU)? Are we co-champs of the Big 12? Or is there a tie-breaker other than head to head to determine the champ?
Co-champs
tie would be broken for seeding purposes in the conference tourney
So if we lose at kU,
but kU loses one more before that (assuming we win out, and Iowa state ends up in 4th), we’d have the tie breaker since we beat Iowa State twice, and they lost to them once?
how is the tie broken?
coin flip?
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Ridiculous Question
why haven’t we domesticated Aardvarks?
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Um, you obviously havent met my pet aardvark, his name is ralph.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
How dare you talk about my ralph like that!
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
I pooped in his litter box.
He was very confused.
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by MUTIGERS86 on Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As was I when I was cleaning it
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by BillSelfsToupee on Feb 8, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Hairless, short and annoying on camera.
Get me some ku fans that claim its better than Dooling and we will have positive confirmation.
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Baylor is just too quick to settle for bad jump shots.
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1. Baylor
2. Missouri, but I’d also be somewhat okay with Baylor.
3. I’ll say over, unless the Big 12 finally falls apart.
4. I’m fine with it moving to May, though I don’t think it will.
This is the live thread for tonight's games I believe
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Baylor is not getting many favorable calls and Withey is killing them down low.
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kU 30 Baylor 30 with 1:12 left in first half
And it already looks like this game is over.
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I'm really surprised Baylor has not pulled away with Robinson on the bench
Even more surprised ku has actually made a run with Robinson on the bench. And by surprised I mean sad.
1. ku
2. ku
3. over (i hope)
4. it would work, but i don’t want it to happen. WHO DIDN’T FLUSH???
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BAYLOR JUST GAVE A 7 FT. CORPSE THE HALF OF HIS CAREER.
what a bunch of cotton balls.
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kU up 33 over Baylor's 30 at halftime
Withey has 17 points and t-HAN hits a killer 3 to put kansas up. I’m not enthused about Baylor’s chances. T-Rob will come out and dominate this team if it’s not motivated.
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Live thread?
Dead thread?
Apparently some people have more important things to do.
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I would contribute,
But I’m at a lactation class, and I’ve managed to fall asleep twice. It hurts that I’m sitting here correcting this instructor in my head. I need a beer.
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by Ausgiano on Feb 8, 2012 7:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You shouldn't drink while you're lactating.
Bad for the baby.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Feb 8, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
At least you're only correcting them in your head
Correcting them out loud would drag the whole fiasco out longer I presume?
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Why haven't they handed out beers during lactation class?
Seems pretty sketch.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 8, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They look so out of sorts, they have all this height, but it's just so ineffectually used.
Somewhere mentioned that Baylor’s real advantage is their length since it aids them on perimeter defense. That is really showing this game.
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Ugh
Baylor needs to not let kU pull away any more. Please win (tonight, not Saturday), Baylor!
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:17 PM CST via Android app reply actions
This one is over.
I have no confidence that Baylor can coach its way out of this deficit. Kansas is wtfpwning on them.
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Baylor makes me so mad
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:22 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Baylor you are so f'ing stupid and undisciplined
Absolutely no way ku doesn’t win a share of the title now unless we win in Larry.
the bears don't have the heart to get back in this game.
i’m switching to cuse/gtown now.
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Baylor players should just file for the NBA and leave now
What a joke.
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to see that this is all confusion.
I hope they're this lazy, soft and unmotivated Saturday
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to see that this is all confusion.
by SiberianKhatru on Feb 8, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
I know this sounds pretty cheesy
but the only thing I can hope for in this game now is a bench clearing brawl.
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A lot of people hating on Baylor right now, (justifiably)
But let’s not forget that anyone can win this weekend. Can’t overlook anyone this season. I saw Kim English tweeting about the Baylor game saying Withey is tearing them up, let’s hope Mizzou is preparing for a bounce back game.
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i'll leave the preparation to our players.
right now, screw baylor and the 49cc scooters they must have ridden in on.
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At one point, this game was 19-9 Baylor.
Since then, it’s 43-15
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 8, 2012 7:28 PM CST reply actions
28-4 run according to the guy during Syracuse/G'Town
At one point at least….
This game might drive Scott Drew to ....
… raise his voice in consternation.
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to see that this is all confusion.
by SiberianKhatru on Feb 8, 2012 7:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This game is already over
0% chance of BU coming back.
They still have a chance when they play us
So lets not count the chickens yada yada yada
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This is certainly setting up for a bounce back game
Let’s hope senior leadership prepares them for that.
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I can only hope
that this game will make them lose their confidence for Saturday’s game.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:33 PM CST via Android app reply actions
So are we all going to be watching the Duke/North Carolina game
Or is it bedtime?
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kU fans I know
announcing kU’s Big 12 title. Ughhhhh.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:40 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Not anymore
but I have lived in KC. I’m living in Pennsylvania now.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
there are ku fans around you there?
or are you talking about on facebook or something?
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No, this was on Twitter
luckily there are no kU fans anywhere around here except my husband. But he’s one of the 0.001% of kU fans who is not a cocky douche.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah he agreed that
it was a stupid cocky thing to say. But he insists that I just happen to know dbag kU people and that none of his kU friends are like that. Which I don’t believe at all just based on sheer statistical probability.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It is not possible.
Unless he has one friend.
Or, unless he promised to allow you to wear your Mizzou stuff around ALL of his friends and you do counting of the number that aren’t nice to you. Even then you can’t let those numbers into the data, because they can’t be d-bags to you, your his wife.
It is something that one can not prove.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 8, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I will admit
that his old college roomie & wife are lifelong kU fans and very nice/not arrogant. Although he’s a football fan and not much of a basketball fan, so that makes a difference. I know many kU fans though, and while many are nice enough people, almost all of them are dbags when the topic of college basketball is involved.
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 8:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You don't find it cocky
to announce your team’s conference championship with (6 or 7?) games left on the schedule?
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 7:50 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
it's somewhat cocky...
but assuming they hold serve vs MU, it’s pretty much going to happen, right?
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They were announcing it a week ago when they were up two games
It’s what they do.
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B_W announced we wouldn't be in the top 2 four weeks ago on here
I don’t remember the same outrage.
You'll get over it
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I think Baylor comes out punching on Saturday, but if Mizzou can withstand the initial flurry
We have a shot at getting inside their heads and getting them to mentally take themselves out of the game. They just look beat this game, body language and effort all around poor.
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Gotta admit
Kansas is pretty damn good. I have a hard time believing that Mizzou will win all the remaining games and take the conference title because that may be exactly what it takes to bring home the Big 12 crown.
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ot in syracuse.
45 seconds left and gtown didn’t try a 2 for 1. i don’t get that.
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Georgetown and Syracuse are trolling
Duke and North Carolina fans. They want to cut into their air time.
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Fab Melo makes a mental error and goaltends a free throw that wasn't going in
Awesome.
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Melo redeems himself by drawing a charge.
He’s Kim English-esque
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Did Mike Alden pay them off in the tunnel?
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No, no
You pay them off in the parking lot. You shake hands in the tunnel.
by Professor Chaos on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
27,000 people show up to watch Syracuse play basketball
Wow.
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Honestly, I thought Kentucky was kU east.
they’re all so similar.
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Okay yeah the coaching tree thing
But then where does North Carolina fall in that?
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Adolph Rupp
Born in Kansas. Played at kU under Allen.
by MacTiger on Feb 8, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! This guy is now my friend
Can I interest you in some cake?
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Yeah, but that's where it died
We have three Beaker* out of the last four as head coach at UNC.
(you coach at kU, you’re a Beaker for life.)
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All I'm saying is, it's a solid reason to transfer the Mizzou rivalry to the other kU
I’m just building up evidence.
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i was checking your facts
and learned that even dean smith was born in kansas. i used to have respect for him.
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When does the trail of tears end?
Someone really ought to make a coaching tree graphic for this. It would allow us to create a hierarchy of Mizzou vs. kU hate.
Perhaps if I have some spare time one of these nights.
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spare time is hard to come by.
between work and rmn, my day’s pretty much shot.
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Checking the list of notable alumni for kU
I found out that Denver’s new Defensive Coach Jack Del Rio played football for USC, but got his college degree from kansas while playing for the KC Chiefs.
I’m a Denver fan and I’m so conflicted now.
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That seems like a pretty liberal use of the term "college"
by HHKB Chris on Feb 8, 2012 9:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well Del Rio got an undergrad degree in Political Science
So I guess if you’re going to get a degree that doesn’t mean much, might as well get it at a school that doesn’t have much.
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I apologize, I just knew too many kids who took poly sci
because they weren’t really trying in college. I know it’s a step towards bigger things for many.
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Roy and Doherty played at UNC, coached at kU, then went back to UNC. If anything kU became UNC’s farm team. Also: Larry Brown is a UNC Alum.
no win situation
If UNC wins the sidewalks on my way to work will be lined with plastic whiskey bottles and vomit.
If UNC loses they will be lined with plastic whiskey bottles and vomit.
DC RMNers...
Who is going to be out in Clarendon on Saturday?
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I was thinking about going
Last Mizzou alum event I went to was the reception before the NCAA Tourney. Great event, the game the next night … not so much. Hopefully we have a better result on Sat.
It's pretty awesome to hear about these Mizzou gatherings aound the country
Heard about the DC one for the ku game, plus Dallas, Atlanta, and I was at an NYC one that had a good turnout
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That last minute of the Syracuse-G'town game
might just have been the worst officiating I have ever seen. I thought it gets bad in the Big 12 sometimes, but that was just horrific.
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Duke 25 - UNC 21 with 10 min to go
otherwise known as the typical B1G halftime score.
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On a hot shooting night
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by sirensofsilence on Feb 8, 2012 8:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, did you hear Dickie V say he was tired of seeing 45-42 games
He’s making digs at the B1G!
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ot: i'm seriously tired of there being a dude in nothing but his tidy whities and a ski mask on the front page of this here fine blog.
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The modeling gig was too lucrative for Bill to pass up.
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by RPT on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
With Arkansas's 59-81 road loss today against Georgia
Mike Anderson led teams are a combined 1-13 in conference road games.
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Ratliffe is the key Saturday
He went 11-14 with 27 points last time. We need 20+ from him again.
Baylor is weak inside.
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Wow. I turned away because it looked over but Duke wins on an Austin River's buzzerbeater?
Just. Wow.
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