The Final Battle: Blogs vs. Mainstream Media!!!
To quote South Park:
Rabble! Rabble! Rabble! Rabble! Rabble! Rabble! Rabble! Rabble!
Expect the "rabbles" on this thread to grow in the next 24 hours. I'll wait to give my opinion until someone asks for it.
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Give peace a chance!
Fire Joe Morgan rocks. But I just want to know, can't we just all get along?
by chitowntiger on May 1, 2008 9:36 AM CDT 0 recs
strangely enough...
...I think bloggers are more willing to "get along" than journalists/columnists. If you're good at your job, bloggers won't attack you. Granted, everybody's got a different definition of "good at your job", but let's just say that almost every single blogger in the world will admit that there are good journalists and bad journalists. A vast majority of journalists who have offered an opinion have said that all blogs suck. There are the Kornheisers of the world who acknowledge the obvious--there are great blogs and terrible blogs--but...well...let's just say that Buzz Bissinger probably got a lot of congratulatory phone calls from his peers after the show.
by The Boy on May 1, 2008 9:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Newer journalists...
... and journalists that are really taking a look at the business realize the role that the blogosphere is beginning to play in journalism. They aren't teaching journalists to be solely self-sustaining anymore. "Citizen journalism" is on its way up in this country and some of the most profitable entities are learning how to coexist and even adopt the blogosphere to their needs (i.e.: The Sporting News, with Orson from EDSBS, Brian from AA, and Dan Shanoff).
Much has been made that the MSM strikes back out of "fear and jealousy." As a blogger and [potentially] as a future journalist, I can't figure out the fear. Maybe it's because I'm not entering year 47 of my illustrious career that began selling copies down by the corner store, but I really don't see why blogs would take away any jobs from the MSM. If anything, blogs cater to niche audiences and develop a "voice of the fan" that the MSM has yet to take full advantage of, thus far. Plus, consumers are given more and more options now to figure out for themselves what's worthy of their time - forcing each side to step up their game.
In addition, it's not like blogs can completely replace the MSM as we know it because being "credentialed" with access is indeed exclusive and the backbone of reporting as we know it. Blogs will never replace traditional reporting. What they are replacing, or at least challenging, is the high-horse columnist. Blogs very rarely break any news - most times they are for aggregation, discussion, and response. But they offer a very real, very palpable sense of the fan base's perspective. If you were in a business that exists financially by knowing and catering to a core audience of consumers, wouldn't you want to really know and understand that consumer base?
by rptgwb on
May 1, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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apparently there IS a threat there...
...as exemplified by Brian Williams' explanation for why network news' ratings are down.
"You're going to be up against people who have an opinion, a modem, and a bathrobe. All of my life, developing credentials to cover my field of work, and now I'm up against a guy named Vinny in an efficiency apartment in the Bronx who hasn't left the efficiency apartment in two years."
by The Boy on
May 1, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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When it comes to network news ratings...
... I think this guy in his bathrobe has more to do with it than Vinny.
The convenience of 24-hour cable news seems like more of a threat to network news than anything Vinny has to say.
by rptgwb on
May 1, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Oh, and...
Actually, Posnanski nails this one. And being that he is both a journalist AND something of a blogger, I'd say his opinion should carry a bit more weight.
It looked to me like Buzz had decided to prepare for his appearance by not eating red meat for several days. You know a conversation might not go Lincoln-Douglas when one of the debaters breaks out the "I really think you’re full of sh.." line like 22 seconds into it. That was Buzz. He then went into a rather curious rant about the great old writer W.C. Heinz, who died recently. I wasn’t sure exactly where that was supposed to go ... but I’ll get back to that in a minute.
Then, it looked to me like Buzz and Costas — who, I have mentioned here before, is one of my heroes — teamed up on Will, who apparently without his knowledge had been named the official representative of "all crazy lunatics who post nasty comments on the Internet." It reminded me of the time the comedian Bobby Slayton was on a talk show about prejudice — because I guess he makes fun of ethnic groups in his act. He was on there with various professional haters, I mean, the A Team of talk show hate, a Neo Nazi, Mister Klan Guy, a Black Panther (are there still Black Panthers?), Darth Vader, Anton Chigurth, Kramer, whatever. And about halfway through the show, Slayton suddenly realized that he had been penciled into the haters lineup, you know, hitting third behind the guy from the Klan. And he was like, "Whoa! Whoa! I’m on the WRONG TEAM."
Will was being given the fun task as defender of the nastiest and most absurd comments written by anonymous strangers on the Internet. Buzz did read part of an article about mainstream media vs. blogs that was written on Deadspin — I originally thought the section was from a comment, but I was confusing this with Costas reading a Deadspin comment later. The section read out loud was about Rich Garces’ man-boobs. I’ve since gone back and read it — it was written to make a point about how Bill James did not need to go into the locker room (and see Garces’ chest) to write baseball. It was rude and pretty funny, actually, and there was a point to it, though I’m never really in favor of ripping man boobs for all the obvious reasons. Anyway Buzz hated it so much he read it out loud on national TV so it could reach a larger audience.
I really thought Will went in there to have a real discussion about real things. He really did seem eager to do this. Instead the conversation mostly involved Will covering up while Buzz screamed and swore and screamed and swore and and screamed at him for lowering the level of discourse in America.
"I think blogs are dedicated to cruelty," Buzz said just before he started screaming and swearing at Will, and this is so weird because I was actually thinking for a long time about calling this blog "Dedicated To Cruelty" or DTC (you know, for the kids). Come on. Is journalism dedicated to lies because a couple of pretty famous writers made up stories? Are books dedicated to murderous anti-semitism because Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf?" Is music dedicated to demeaning women because Flo-Rida sang "Low?" How are you going to judge blogs and the Internet because some anonymous jerk on a message board or in a comment section decides to tell poo-poo jokes about Tony LaRussa?
Anyway, it was emotional, and I get that. Sure, there are a lot of objectionable things happening in sports journalism today. There are a lot of strange things happening. This causes a lot of anger and fear and disgust, and absolutely I get that. Still, because of the emotion I think the whole point was missed, and the point is this: What are we even ARGUING about? Blogs aren’t going anywhere. Comments aren’t going anywhere. The Internet isn’t going anywhere. Stupid people aren’t going anywhere. Angry people aren’t going anywhere. And, for that matter, funny people, talented people, brilliant people, they’re not GOING AWAY just because some people don’t like technology and have gone all Barry Corbin on us.**
**Remember in War Games, at the end, when it looked like the danger was over, and then Joshua the computer decided to find the launch codes. They went to Barry Corbin, the general, to tell him and he said, "Well just unplug the damn thing!" I suggest that whenever someone starts ranting about the Internet and blogs and people writing in their mother’s basements, we say that he’s "Corbinating."
by The Boy on May 1, 2008 9:52 AM CDT 0 recs
To be honest, I don't frequent Deadspin
But it is interesting how Leitch is essentially being forced to defend every idiot that's ever logged on to a computer (and it's amazing how many of them there are). I think Posnanski and other outlets have nailed a common misconception about blogs: that the MSM thinks that the comments and message boards-types are the sole purveyors of blogging.
One of the reason I love blogs, ESPECIALLY SB Nation, is that it allows smart conversation and real discussion without having to wade through 97 "kU sucks, lolz" posts.
by rptgwb on
May 1, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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and the other part of it...
...is that most of the major MSM websites (the KC Star's site, ESPN.com, etc.) have comments sections now, and they are filled with the exact same amount of idiocy, if not more. But they don't have to account for their commenters at all.
by The Boy on
May 1, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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You're absolutely right...
And it's almost as if the fact that they allow comments on stories is the MSM's "concession" to this "new fad of blogging and technology - you kids with your 'iPods' and 'text messages.'"
What does it say when my hometown paper, The Dallas Morning News, pays a writer - who was a legitimate reporter for several years - solely to blog across their six different sports blogs, including linking and crediting blogs such as Lone Star Ball and Blogging the Boys. With their staff under such a crunch from Belo layoffs, that commitment to connecting with their readership by making sure that blog connection is established is an interesting statement on the business' direction.
by rptgwb on
May 1, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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yeah...
...even ESPN.com has gotten on board by taking on blogs like TrueHoop (which was phenomenal in its old incarnation and is just as good since being taken in by the Worldwide Leader)...it's such an opportunity for these organizations if they look at it that way. But it just makes me sad when I see people like Bissinger (I loved Friday Night Lights...hell, show me a blogger who doesn't love Friday Night Lights) and Costas (who very clearly set Leitsch up to get ambushed) deciding they'd rather take potshots at commoners named Vinny instead of realizing the value of the 'new medium'...and realizing it's bigger than they are.
by The Boy on
May 1, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Surprise!
In some background rabble, guess with whom the New York Times, the print bastion of mainstream media, seems to side?
by rptgwb on May 1, 2008 10:56 AM CDT 0 recs
This despite the fact...
...that they now have 'blogs' on their very own website.
I did love this part:
He added: "I care about the written word and I care about reporting. The writing on most blogs is terrible."
...said the guy who admitted that he didn't read blogs.
by The Boy on
May 1, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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The quip about writing is ironic
Because it seems journalists are taught to write at the level of "the commoner." Clearly, the blogs he talks about must be of the "message board" variety, because you can't read a blog like SMQ and tell me the writing is terrible.
by rptgwb on
May 1, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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By the way...
MGoBlog should be more sarcastic about our opinions more often.
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/...
Hits received a nice little spike today.
by rptgwb on May 1, 2008 2:06 PM CDT 0 recs
Looks like you have officially been asked...
...for your opinion :-)
And hey...my great uncle ran Moe's Sporting Goods up there forever...took it over from Moe...that might give me the SLIGHTEST bit of street cred with the Maize and Blue :-)
by The Beef on
May 1, 2008 2:25 PM CDT
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Hey...go over there and ask if anyone knows
the place I am talking about...you will see the MAD cred I generate...even though I have only ever been up there once.
Hey...Uncle Bud was the man up there...played golf with Gary Moeller. My tour of the school in 1994 included a tour of the football facility...just because. I could have the Mich RB wrong, but they were in from practice in Aug and Ty Wheatley had just hurt himself.
by The Beef on
May 1, 2008 2:52 PM CDT
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And then I'll mention...
...how big a Nittany Lion fan you are. That'll help your cred out a ton.
by The Boy on
May 1, 2008 3:27 PM CDT
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back then it was somewhat possible to be both...
I mean...I was really kinda raised on both...more family went to Penn State, but Uncle Bud sent me t-shirts all the time...and PSU did not come over to the Big 11 until 1990
by The Beef on
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